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Traditional Catholic Faith => Fighting Errors in the Modern World => Topic started by: Matthew on May 24, 2022, 05:20:32 AM
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I'm sure we've all heard the cry from ignorant, worldly people neck-deep in the impure modern world,
Awwww, the Church should let their priests get married. With such an outlet for "release", they wouldn't have to prey on altar boys.
Except the facts do NOT bear out this simplistic idea. Virtually no protestant pastors practice celibacy (singleness) or perfect chastity -- and yet, the statistics show that Protestant pastors have JUST AS MUCH PROBLEM WITH SINS OF THE SIXTH AND NINTH as Catholic priests. That includes child abuse. Bet you didn't know that!
Here is one case, out of thousands. Many such cases.
https://orangebeanindiana.com/2022/05/22/pastor-of-indiana-church-admits-to-adultery-with-16-year-old/
I've heard people talk online about how they were fixing a pastor's phone or laptop, and what they found on it. Let's just say it wasn't just porn, but surprisingly depraved porn. 9 times out of 10, protestant pastors are complete hypocrites.
How could it be any other way? They preach and believe in "one and done" salvation -- accept Jesus as your savior, and nothing you do for the rest of your life, however evil, can prevent your salvation. They also believe that anyone can worship God in their own way, and anyone is competent to interpret Scripture. So if you add up their teachings, the logical conclusion is that THEY THEMSELVES KNOW AND ADMIT they bring little-to-nothing to the table, in exchange for all the donations their congregation gives them. They aren't ordained. They don't offer sacrifice on an altar. They don't give up their earthly life for Christ and the Gospel -- they get married and have a family like everyone else. They just get up there and give a "sermon" if you call it that. They give their worthless opinion on the Bible, which they themselves teach is no better than anyone else's opinion! Why do protestants even pay their pastors? What do they really bring to the table?
My point, and the moral of the story: However imperfect, bad, divided, etc. you think Catholics or Trad Catholics are -- protestants are that and worse. They have less of the truth and much less grace, so they fall even MORE often and even HARDER.
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Yeah, that's ridiculous. NORMAL men are not attracted to children or to boys. Period. So, what?, they can't find adult women to break their vows of chastity with? It's not uncommon for a priest to run off with some woman (happened with a couple Traditional priests I knew). There's a claim that some men become sodomites when they go to prison due to lack of women around, and you occasionally hear of some sick individuals doing perverse things with farm animals (where there are no women around) ... but priests are SURROUNDED by women, many of whom don't like their husbands, and seek them out for consolation, and would latch onto a priest who gave them attention.
No, the problem is that sodomites are attracted to the priesthood because it gives the access to boys. So it's completely the opposite of what they claim.
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With that said, given the current state of Crisis in the world, if I were a bishop, I would be right now looking to establish an underground church by seeking worthy candidates to ordain as "simplex" priests. We are very close to times when they're going to shut down the churches and deprive people of access to the Sacraments, perhaps even arresting the "known" priests. Serious Catholic men who have had some seminary formation ... like Matthew ... would be at the top of my list. There are probably former semnarians in every metropolitan area. I believe that's why Bishop Slupski, for instance, reportedly ordained a married man. He grew up behind the Iron Curtain, and so he clearly sees where we're headed. I know that people excoriated Bishop Slupski for this (someone started a thread here saying that Bishop Slupski offered to ordained him a priest even though he was married), but I see where he's coming from. We got a foretaste of this with the COVID lockdowns where the churches were closed. People were dying without access to priests. I know that people don't really believe that, but 10 years ago I would not have believed that the COVID lockdowns were possible.
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Serious Catholic men who have had some seminary formation ... like Matthew ... would be at the top of my list. There are probably former semnarians in every metropolitan area. I believe that's why Bishop Slupski, for instance, reportedly ordained a married man. He grew up behind the Iron Curtain, and so he clearly sees where we're headed. I know that people excoriated Bishop Slupski for this (someone started a thread here saying that Bishop Slupski offered to ordained him a priest even though he was married), but I see where he's coming from. We got a foretaste of this with the COVID lockdowns where the churches were closed. People were dying without access to priests. I know that people don't really believe that, but 10 years ago I would not have believed that the COVID lockdowns were possible.
Just to clarify --
It was me that started that thread.
I would stop well short of condemning Bp. Slupski. He certainly did what he did "for the Church" from what I can tell. Other than some objectively poor judgments (going by how the situation played out, in hindsight) with particular men he ordained, that's all I can point to for criticism. The fact is, he was a faithful priest/bishop to the end, preaching the true Faith and criticized the Novus Ordo/new religion, JP2 (a fellow Pole, of about the same generation), the Indult, Communism, and other modern errors. He was never involved in any scandals. He lived a VERY simple life, driving constantly, going on low sleep. He told Tom Nelson he couldn't sit down or close his eyes, or he'd fall asleep. If he kept going, and stayed on his feet, he was OK.
How many Trad priests even today are willing to do the "missionary" thing, being on the road *most* of Sunday? Bp. Slupski would go to 4-5 locations on Sunday. He labored hard, and I never saw him take any luxuries (wine, food, money) or other earthly consolations. He was a true religious missionary priest.
He served my area from about 1979 until the early 2000's. At some point he retired, but he was very old. He was ordained in 1961.
I would say that even if he had the right idea, he just de-facto didn't happen to have any suitable candidates.
There are many good things that clearly aren't God's will without a suitable candidate. Marriage, for example. Marriage is good. But if God sends you no one even *close* to suitable, that's one sign you're not meant to be married, at least not yet.
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Agree 100% with the OP. I would thumb up if I could but I think I read you need 100 posts first.
In my neck of the woods there was a pretty dark story about a Prot "Pastor" who did very nasty things with young boys and young girls in the basement.
We also know The Church was infiltrated by "them" and we know how "they" like kids so it's more the infiltrators doing these things and not the sincere ones.
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That is quite true. However, it is an unfortunate thing for women, whether married or single, that genuinely need actual spiritual direction. This can even lead good women to be their own “director” in spirituality that to approach a good priest and ask for some advice. But to become one’s own “director”… it could be said puts a danger to our soul. I prefer speaking to a priest who is at least fifteen years into his life as a priest, if not twenty…thirty years in. As women, we’re not here to seduce anyone. We have souls, too.
What a sorrow it is to be a woman. Even St. Teresa of Avila searched and searched for a confessor when she lost the last one. Some priests couldn’t even handle being her confessor due to her advancement.
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So, what?, they can't find adult women to break their vows of chastity with? It's not uncommon for a priest to run off with some woman (happened with a couple Traditional priests I knew). There's a claim that some men become sodomites when they go to prison due to lack of women around, and you occasionally hear of some sick individuals doing perverse things with farm animals (where there are no women around) ... but priests are SURROUNDED by women, many of whom don't like their husbands, and seek them out for consolation, and would latch onto a priest who gave them attention.
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Let them get married, that'll solve everything! :facepalm:
https://apnews.com/article/baptist-religion-sɛҳuąƖ-abuse-by-clergy-southern-convention-bfdbe64389790630488f854c3dae3fd5
Report: Top Southern Baptists stonewalled sex abuse victims
By DEEPA BHARATH, HOLLY MEYER and DAVID CRARYMay 23, 2022
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FILE - This Wednesday, Dec. 7, 2011 file photo shows the headquarters of the Southern Baptist Convention in Nashville, Tenn. Leaders of the SBC, America's largest Protestant denomination, stonewalled and denigrated survivors of clergy sex abuse over almost two decades while seeking to protect their own reputations, according to a scathing 288-page investigative report issued Sunday, May 22, 2022. (AP Photo/Mark Humphrey, File)
(https://apnews.com/article/baptist-religion-sɛҳuąƖ-abuse-by-clergy-southern-convention-bfdbe64389790630488f854c3dae3fd5/gallery/f7700e1854e0478b85f9826383a82711)The Southern Baptist Convention’s Executive Committee — and thousands of its rank-and-file members — now have opportunities to address a scathing investigative report that says top SBC leaders stonewalled and denigrated survivors of clergy sex abuse over two decades while seeking to protect their own reputations.
The report, issued Sunday, says these survivors, and other concerned Southern Baptists, repeatedly shared allegations with the Executive Committee, “only to be met, time and time again, with resistance, stonewalling, and even outright hostility from some within the EC.”
The seven-month investigation was conducted by Guidepost Solutions, an independent firm contracted by the Executive Committee after delegates to last year’s national meeting pressed for a probe by outsiders.
Since then, several top Executive Committee leaders have resigned, and the body — under interim leadership — will meet Tuesday to discuss the report. Three weeks later, the SBC will convene its 2022 national meeting in Anaheim, California, and the report will be discussed there as well.
“Our investigation revealed that, for many years, a few senior EC leaders, along with outside counsel, largely controlled the EC’s response to these reports of abuse ... and were singularly focused on avoiding liability for the SBC,” the report said.
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“In service of this goal, survivors and others who reported abuse were ignored, disbelieved, or met with the constant refrain that the SBC could take no action due to its polity regarding church autonomy – even if it meant that convicted molesters continued in ministry with no notice or warning to their current church or congregation,” the report added.
The report asserts that an Executive Committee staffer maintained a list of Baptist ministers accused of abuse, but there is no indication anyone “took any action to ensure that the accused ministers were no longer in positions of power at SBC churches.”
The most recent list includes the names of hundreds of abusers thought to be affiliated at some point with the SBC. Survivors and advocates have long called for a public database of abusers.
SBC President Ed Litton, in a statement Sunday, said he is “grieved to my core” for the victims and thanked God for their work propelling the SBC to this moment. He called on Southern Baptists to lament and prepare to change the denomination’s culture and implement reforms.
“I pray Southern Baptists will begin preparing today to take deliberate action to address these failures and chart a new course when we meet together in Anaheim,” Litton said.
Among the report’s key recommendations:
— Form an independent commission and later establish a permanent administrative entity to oversee comprehensive long-term reforms concerning sɛҳuąƖ abuse and related misconduct within the SBC.
—Create and maintain an Offender Information System to alert the community to known offenders.
— Provide a comprehensive Resource Toolbox including protocols, training, education, and practical information.
—Restrict the use of nondisclosure agreements and civil settlements which bind survivors to confidentiality in sɛҳuąƖ abuse matters, unless requested by the survivor.
The interim leaders of the Executive Committee, Willie McLaurin and Rolland Slade, welcomed the recommendations, and pledged an all-out effort to eliminate sex abuse within the SBC.
“We recognize there are no shortcuts,” they said. “We must all meet this challenge through prudent and prayerful application, and we must do so with Christ-like compassion.”
The sex abuse scandal was thrust into the spotlight in 2019 by a landmark report from the Houston Chronicle and San Antonio Express-News docuмenting hundreds of cases in Southern Baptist churches, including several in which alleged perpetrators remained in ministry.
Last year, thousands of delegates at the national SBC gathering made clear they did not want the Executive Committee to oversee an investigation of its own actions. Instead they voted overwhelmingly to create the task force charged with overseeing the third-party review. Litton, pastor of Redemption Church in Saraland, Alabama, appointed the panel.
The task force had a week to review the report before it was publicly released. The task force’s recommendations based on Guidepost’s findings will be presented at the SBC’s meeting in Anaheim.
The report offers shocking details on how Johnny Hunt, a Georgia-based pastor and past SBC president, sɛҳuąƖly assaulted another pastor’s wife during a beach vacation in 2010. In an interview with investigators, Hunt denied any physical contact with the woman, but did admit he had interactions with her.
On May 13, Hunt, who was the senior vice president of evangelism and leadership at the North American Mission Board, the SBC’s domestic missions agency, resigned from that post, said Kevin Ezell, the organization’s president and CEO. Ezell said, before May 13, he was “not aware of any alleged misconduct” on Hunt’s part.
The report details a meeting Hunt arranged a few days after the alleged assault between the woman, her husband, Hunt and a counseling pastor. According to the report, Hunt admitted to touching the victim inappropriately, but said “thank God I didn’t consummate the relationship.”
In a statement Sunday, Hunt disputed the report.
“I vigorously deny the circuмstances and characterizations set forth in the Guidepost report,” he said. “I have never abused anybody.”
Among those reacting strongly to the Guidepost report was Russell Moore, who formerly headed the SBC’s public policy wing but left the denomination after accusing top Executive Committee leaders of stalling efforts to address the sex abuse crisis.
“Crisis is too small a word. It is an apocalypse,” Moore wrote for Christianity Today after reading the report. ”As dark a view as I had of the SBC Executive Committee, the investigation uncovers a reality far more evil and systemic than I imagined it could be.”
According to the report, Guidepost’s investigators, who spoke with survivors of varying ages including children, said the survivors were equally traumatized by the way in which churches responded to their reports of sɛҳuąƖ abuse.
Survivors “spoke of trauma from the initial abuse, but also told us of the debilitating effects that come from the response of the churches and institutions like the SBC that did not believe them, ignored them, mistreated them, and failed to help them,” the report said.
It cited the case of Dave Pittman, who from 2006 to 2011 made phone calls and sent letters and emails to the SBC and Georgia Baptist Convention Board reporting that he had been abused by Frankie Wiley, a youth pastor at Rehoboth Baptist Church when he was 12 to 15 years old.
Pittman and several others have come forward publicly to report that Wiley molested and raped them and Wiley has admitted to abusing “numerous victims” at several Georgia Southern Baptist churches.
According to the report, a Georgia Baptist Convention official told Pittman that the churches were autonomous and there was nothing he could do but pray.
The report also tells the story of Christa Brown, who says she was sɛҳuąƖly abused as a teen by the youth and education minister at her SBC church.
When she disclosed the abuse to the music minister after months of abuse, she was told not to talk about it, according to the report, which said her abuser also went on to serve in Southern Baptist churches in multiple states.
Brown, who has been one of the most outspoken survivors, told investigators that during the past 15 years she has received “volumes of hate mail, awful blog comments, and vitriolic phone calls.”
After reading through the report, Brown told The Associated Press that it “fundamentally confirms what Southern Baptist clergy sex abuse survivors have been saying for decades.”
“I view this investigative report as a beginning, not an end. The work will continue,” Brown said. “But no one should ever forget the human cost of what it has taken to even get the SBC to approach this starting line of beginning to deal with clergy sex abuse.”
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Just to clarify --
It was me that started that thread.
I figured it was, but didn't want to guess, given that it was posted Anonymously. Perhaps you "came out" later in the thread. :laugh1:
Bishop Vida Elmer was the same way. This was before I was married, but he offered to ordained me to the priesthood, which I declined. Nevertheless, he was an extremely orthodox and yet kind and gentle and humble man. When I first went to his chapel, he came to me after Mass and invited me over for breakfast, and he insisted that I sit down while he personally cooked a bit of breakfast. I was a bit uneasy sitting there while a bishop was making me breakfast. Then we talked for a long time, and I told him my story and my past at STAS, and he mentioned that he had read some of the articles I had written for Bishop Sanborn's periodical, and at one point offered me ordination.
Given how you describe Bishop Slupski, as a devoted and orthodox Traditional Catholic, he probably has some very solid reasons for offering to ordain a married man, and it sounded as if it had to do with ensuring the availability of the Sacraments in this time of Crisis. I think that too few people truly understand the gravity of what's taken place. Sister Lucia became physically ill when attempting to write down the Third Secret under obedience, so horrible was it, and I'm sure the greatest part of the horror had to do with the Conciliar Church and these V2 "popes". I'm sure that had St. Pius X seen a vision of today's Conciliar Church, he would have died on the spot. And it's only going to get worse, and the church will end up under ground here in the not too distant future.
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Report: Top Southern Baptists stonewalled sex abuse victims
By DEEPA BHARATH, HOLLY MEYER and DAVID CRARYMay 23, 2022
Stats demonstrate that there's every bit as much of this stuff among Prots, Jєωs, and Muslims. But there's a deliberate smear campaign against the reputation of the Catholic Church by the Satanic media, which could hardly care less about the Prots (since they are already Satan's and doing Satan's work). They focus on only the Catholic Church. Satanists don't steal communion bread from Prot churches for their black rituals. Satanists have more faith that the Catholic Church is the true Church founded by Christ than 99% of Novus Ordites. They are hell bent on reviling, blaspheming, and destroying the Catholic Church. Prots glom onto the bandwagon of equating the Catholic priesthood with pedophilia ... because they hate the Church and take pleasure in being able to use some propaganda to make themselves feel justified about their heresy.
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That is quite true. However, it is an unfortunate thing for women, whether married or single, that genuinely need actual spiritual direction. This can even lead good women to be their own “director” in spirituality that to approach a good priest and ask for some advice. But to become one’s own “director”… it could be said puts a danger to our soul. I prefer speaking to a priest who is at least fifteen years into his life as a priest, if not twenty…thirty years in. As women, we’re not here to seduce anyone. We have souls, too.
What a sorrow it is to be a woman. Even St. Teresa of Avila searched and searched for a confessor when she lost the last one. Some priests couldn’t even handle being her confessor due to her advancement.
There's no reason being a woman should bar you from spiritual direction, but it should be conducted in a confessional or similar setting, not in a casual environment like over at the rectory where there can develop excessive natural familiarity. Priest should only know you as a soul. At the same time, even men struggle to find good spiritual directors. Many (if not most) Traditional Catholic priests are not particularly skilled at it, and for most, they're pretty much stuck with the one priest (or sometimes) two who happened to be stationed near them or on their Mass circuit. In addition, when you have a mission priest, they generally fly in, hear Confessions, offer Mass, and fly out (to the next place) ... so they don't have the opportunity to provide true spiritual direction even if they were quite capable of it.
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Stats demonstrate that there's every bit as much of this stuff among Prots, Jєωs, and Muslims. But there's a deliberate smear campaign against the reputation of the Catholic Church by the Satanic media, which could hardly care less about the Prots (since they are already Satan's and doing Satan's work). They focus on only the Catholic Church. Satanists don't steal communion bread from Prot churches for their black rituals. Satanists have more faith that the Catholic Church is the true Church founded by Christ than 99% of Novus Ordites. They are hell bent on reviling, blaspheming, and destroying the Catholic Church. Prots glom onto the bandwagon of equating the Catholic priesthood with pedophilia ... because they hate the Church and take pleasure in being able to use some propaganda to make themselves feel justified about their heresy.
Something I like to bring up when I hear people harping about pedophile priests:
Public School Teachers 100 Times More Likely To Abuse Kids Than Catholic Priests (https://go2tutors.com/teachers-more-likely-abuse-kids/)
By Jessica Marie Baumgartner (https://go2tutors.com/author/jessicagulmire/) | 2 months ago
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As sɛҳuąƖ abuse by teachers continues to rise (https://childrenstreatmentcenter.com/sɛҳuąƖ-abuse-teachers/), parents and students grow more concerned about the health and well-being of their families. The public education system has embraced grooming techniques (https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/25/for-some-leftists-the-well-being-of-children-only-matters-when-they-can-be-used-as-political-props/) that normalize sɛҳuąƖ behavior and sɛҳuąƖity in children as young as pre-school. Middle schoolers are now avidly taught about masturbation (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/education/california-s-new-sex-ed-guidelines-encourage-teachers-talk-students-n1003596) in class, while pornographic (https://www.westernjournal.com/schools-reinstate-pornographic-books-name-diversity/) books remain in some public schools for the sake of “diversity & inclusion.” It’s enough to make anyone wonder if this material is truly appropriate for children, and whether public schools are working to educate based on the best interests of the children. And now, it has been confirmed that public school teachers are 100 times more likely to abuse kids than Catholic priests.
According to the Dept. of Ed, public school teachers sɛҳuąƖly abuse children at a scale more than 100 times greater than Catholic priests. Parents are concerned that predators—of any sɛҳuąƖ orientation—could use classroom sɛҳuąƖization as a method of recruiting victims.
— Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️ (@realchrisrufo) March 23, 2022 (https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1506721744765145088?ref_src=twsrc^tfw)
In truth, this comparison is based on an aged 2004 report (https://www.pspc.education.pa.gov/Educator-Discipline-System-and-Reporting/Overview-Discipline-System/Pages/sɛҳuąƖ-Misconduct.aspx) from the Department of Education, and as child sɛҳuąƖ abuse in schools has reportedly increased since these findings were released, one may conclude that the incidence is even more likely. In 2011 Texas recorded that teacher sɛҳuąƖ misconduct cases went up 27% (https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/01/20/more-teachers-are-having-sex-with-their-students-heres-how-schools-can-stop-them/). In Alabama complaints and investigations tripled. By 2019 the Arizona Department of Education’s investigative unit chief pleaded with the Governor’s Victims of Child Sex Abuse task force claiming that his team is “drowning” in cases (https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-education/2019/11/08/arizona-education-leaders-propose-more-teacher-oversight-sɛҳuąƖ-misconduct-investigations/2524034001/).
Many have noted that easy access to students’ personal lives has perpetuated this, thanks to social media and constant internet use. In 2020 (https://www.texarkanagazette.com/news/2022/mar/05/online-child-exploitation-cases-are-rising/) The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children reported the highest number of suspected child sɛҳuąƖ exploitation tips through their CyberTipline. The debate over whether minors should be allowed on social media at all has continued on for years, but despite these dangers, many individuals — students and parents included — often vilify Catholic priests when discussing the sensitive subject of pedophilia and child sɛҳuąƖ abuse while completely ignoring the ongoing child sɛҳuąƖ abuse convictions against public school staff.
The Catholic church has suffered for its lack of transparency and refusal to take full action against priests who harm children (https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-churchs-grim-history-of-ignoring-priestly-pedophilia-and-silencing-would-be-whistleblowers-102387). It is common rhetoric to declare that Catholicism is full of pedophiles, and it is true that there have been some shockingly horrific cases, but if parents are going to protect their children they must guide them to beware all dangers, and they are far more likely to experience sɛҳuąƖ abuse from a teacher or other school staff member than by a Catholic priest. So why is the public not decrying teachers as pedophiles (https://go2tutors.com/sɛҳuąƖ-misconduct-teachers-rehired/)?
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Considering this, 10% (https://childrenstreatmentcenter.com/sɛҳuąƖ-abuse-teachers/) (roughly 4.5 million children) of public school students have experienced some form of sɛҳuąƖ misconduct (https://go2tutors.com/music-teacher-misconduct/) by the time they graduate high school, yet of the 77.4 million (https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/us-states-by-population-of-catholics.html) Catholics in the United States, .01% (https://www.newsweek.com/priests-commit-no-more-abuse-other-males-70625) reported claims of child sɛҳuąƖ abuse (10,667 children). It has also been studied and concluded that about 4.4% of all clerics were known to sɛҳuąƖly abuse children between 1946 and 2014, yet it is estimated that roughly 5% (https://www.screenandreveal.com/pedophile-statistics/) of men are pedophiles and those numbers do not even take into account the incidence of female sɛҳuąƖ predators (https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/lessons-learn-female-educators-who-sɛҳuąƖly-abuse-their-students) at all. These numbers make a harsh case against public school employees.
In truth, child sɛҳuąƖ abuse is a serious issue no matter who commits it, but as many admit, “prevention is key.” The best way to prevent child sɛҳuąƖ abuse is by protecting children from predators and teaching them to protect themselves. Knowing that public school teachers are far more likely to sɛҳuąƖly abuse students, parents must ask themselves, once again, is the public education system is really worth the risk?
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Something I like to bring up when I hear people harping about pedophile priests:
Public School Teachers 100 Times More Likely To Abuse Kids Than Catholic Priests (https://go2tutors.com/teachers-more-likely-abuse-kids/)
By Jessica Marie Baumgartner (https://go2tutors.com/author/jessicagulmire/) | 2 months ago
Not to mention among Protestants, or, any other profession/position that involves being close to children. These demons will literally weasel their way into any of these kinds of positions to feed their vice, it's not just one institution.
The son of one of my High School teachers, who himself became a public school teacher, was accused of being an abominable pedophile recently. I really feel for that teacher of mine, he was a great guy, and the shame and embarrassment he and his family must have over his son.
https://www.wearegreenbay.com/news/local-news/former-gb-band-teacher-accused-of-touching-fifth-graders-facing-multiple-charges/
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When, not if, the Conciliar sect begins letting priests marry--most of the ones who do are going to marry each other.
Women's ordination will probably come around the same time.
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Yeah, that's ridiculous. NORMAL men are not attracted to children or to boys. Period. So, what?, they can't find adult women to break their vows of chastity with? It's not uncommon for a priest to run off with some woman (happened with a couple Traditional priests I knew). There's a claim that some men become sodomites when they go to prison due to lack of women around, and you occasionally hear of some sick individuals doing perverse things with farm animals (where there are no women around) ... but priests are SURROUNDED by women, many of whom don't like their husbands, and seek them out for consolation, and would latch onto a priest who gave them attention.
No, the problem is that sodomites are attracted to the priesthood because it gives the access to boys. So it's completely the opposite of what they claim.
Devils advocating for a position that I don’t necesaarily hold
what if the real issue is that too many normal men (ie: who are interested in women) simply don’t want to become priests because they don’t want to be celibate for life. You could criticize them and say they should be more willing to sacrifice, but it is what it is.
then those who are LEFT are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs and worse who think “ok, I don’t have a lawful outlet for my sɛҳuąƖity so I’ll do this instead” and then they fall or worse, they use the position to gain access to children etc
i think a comparison between the Latin and eastern rites would be more helpful than comparison to Protestantism here. If the eastern rites have less of a problem with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and child abuse in the priesthood that might be something to consider. I don’t know if that’s the case tho
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There are more women sɛҳuąƖly abusing children too.
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There are more women sɛҳuąƖly abusing children too.
Data, please.
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what if the real issue is that too many normal men (ie: who are interested in women) simply don’t want to become priests because they don’t want to be celibate for life
I think that's secondary. It's due to a lack of faith and a loss of understanding regarding what the priesthood is. When more than half of all Novus Ordites have lost faith in the Blessed Sacrament, well, why else does one become a priest other than to bring the Sacraments to souls? ... or, more recently, in order to get better access to prey on young boys? Of the minority who still believe in them, they don't believe that they're necessary for salvation. So WHY would you take on celibacy simply to be a counselor and standup comedian? That's the problem. But if men believed deeply in the meaning and the value of the Sacraments and therefore of the priesthood, many more would be making the choice of the priesthood over marriage.
So THAT is the "real issue". Prior to Vatican II, the US so many priests they didn't really know what to do with them, and many went off to the missions, because men understood and respected the value of the priesthood. So with a surplus, why would you really need to open up the priesthood to married men?
Plus, it's a filter. Due to the celibacy requirement, a man would really have to be spiritually-minded and value the Sacraments and the priesthood much more than if they could also marry and not give up anything along those lines, i.e. have their cake and eat it too.
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Data, please.
While I don't have the data, I do know that when I was young, one never, ever heard about women sɛҳuąƖly abusing anyone. Today, it's not unusual to see a news report of this happening.
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Many cases in New Jersey of female teachers abusing female and male students. Sick. One of the most recent case involved a divorced teacher. It’s upsetting to even read about this filth.
https://nypost.com/2021/06/16/nj-teacher-who-raped-students-faces-three-new-accusers-report/
Where is the anger from tax payers? I believe New Jersey just passed it’s new sɛҳuąƖ grooming curriculum of little school children.
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Many cases in New Jersey of female teachers abusing female and male students. Sick. One of the most recent case involved a divorced teacher. It’s upsetting to even read about this filth.
https://nypost.com/2021/06/16/nj-teacher-who-raped-students-faces-three-new-accusers-report/
Where is the anger from tax payers? I believe New Jersey just passed it’s new sɛҳuąƖ grooming curriculum of little school children.
I can never wrap my head around how a female can rape a male....
Also, that case seems unusual, female teacher with a 14 year old male student....
Any more data than one example?
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I can never wrap my head around how a female can rape a male....
Also, that case seems unusual, female teacher with a 14 year old male student....
Any more data than one example?
"Seduction" seems like the more accurate term.
14-year old, non-Catholic me wouldn't be calling it rape. Just saying...
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Eastern rite priests can marry.
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Eastern rite priests can marry.
Peace, LeMond, but you have it a little bit inverted.
In the Eastern Rites (like the Byzantines, Ukrainian Rite, Chaldeans, etc.), married men can become priests, but priests cannot marry once ordained -- nor can they remarry in the event their wife dies. It's the same rules that the current Latin Rite has for Protestant ministers who convert and become Catholic priests.
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Eastern rite priests can marry.
I wonder if the Novus Ordo would have the same marriage laws for clergy that are in the Eastern Rites. Would those who wish to be bishops one day be have to remain celibate? Would marriage after ordination to the priesthood be forbidden? Would a second marriage (after the death of a spouse) also be prohibited? Would priests have to abstain from the marital act the day before saying Mass?
Somehow, I doubt it. Thus, your comment is irrelevant to the topic and nonsensical.
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Hot take: how about this?
Publicly and ruthlessly execute boy rapists, bring back sane seminary standards and expectations & Priestly discipline, and keep the Western Tradition of unmarried priests.
You know? Like the good ol’ days. :popcorn:
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Hot take: how about this?
Publicly and ruthlessly execute boy rapists, bring back sane seminary standards and expectations & Priestly discipline, and keep the Western Tradition of unmarried priests.
You know? Like the good ol’ days. :popcorn:
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Peace, LeMond, but you have it a little bit inverted.
In the Eastern Rites (like the Byzantines, Ukrainian Rite, Chaldeans, etc.), married men can become priests, but priests cannot marry once ordained -- nor can they remarry in the event their wife dies. It's the same rules that the current Latin Rite has for Protestant ministers who convert and become Catholic priests.
Indeed
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Hot take: how about this?
Publicly and ruthlessly execute boy rapists, bring back sane seminary standards and expectations & Priestly discipline, and keep the Western Tradition of unmarried priests.
You know? Like the good ol’ days. :popcorn:
There's a large chunk of dioceses and seminaries that would be ghost towns in 3 days. Especially because many of them are relying on older priests -- who have no discipline -- to not have to close half their parishes since some of them won't ordain a single priest either this year, or the next.
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There's a large chunk of dioceses and seminaries that would be ghost towns in 3 days. Especially because many of them are relying on older priests -- who have no discipline -- to not have to close half their parishes since some of them won't ordain a single priest either this year, or the next.
Wouldn't this be preferable to the status quo?
Isn't there some scriptural warning not to worry so much about those who can kill only the body but, instead, worry about those who can kill body and soul?
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I wonder if the Novus Ordo would have the same marriage laws for clergy that are in the Eastern Rites. Would those who wish to be bishops one day be have to remain celibate? Would marriage after ordination to the priesthood be forbidden? Would a second marriage (after the death of a spouse) also be prohibited? Would priests have to abstain from the marital act the day before saying Mass?
Somehow, I doubt it. Thus, your comment is irrelevant to the topic and nonsensical.
The point is there are plenty of married Catholic priests in the Eastern Rite. The Church allows married men to become priests, so it's logical to conclude it's not a bad thing if the Church were to allow married men in the Roman Rite to become priests. Your comment is a red herring, thus, it's irrelevant and nonsensical.
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Let them get married, that'll solve everything! :facepalm:
https://apnews.com/article/baptist-religion-sɛҳuąƖ-abuse-by-clergy-southern-convention-bfdbe64389790630488f854c3dae3fd5
Report: Top Southern Baptists stonewalled sex abuse victims
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FILE - This Wednesday, Dec. 7, 2011 file photo shows the headquarters of the Southern Baptist Convention in Nashville, Tenn. Leaders of the SBC, America's largest Protestant denomination, stonewalled and denigrated survivors of clergy sex abuse over almost two decades while seeking to protect their own reputations, according to a scathing 288-page investigative report issued Sunday, May 22, 2022. (AP Photo/Mark Humphrey, File)
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The report, issued Sunday, says these survivors, and other concerned Southern Baptists, repeatedly shared allegations with the Executive Committee, “only to be met, time and time again, with resistance, stonewalling, and even outright hostility from some within the EC.”
The seven-month investigation was conducted by Guidepost Solutions, an independent firm contracted by the Executive Committee after delegates to last year’s national meeting pressed for a probe by outsiders.
Since then, several top Executive Committee leaders have resigned, and the body — under interim leadership — will meet Tuesday to discuss the report. Three weeks later, the SBC will convene its 2022 national meeting in Anaheim, California, and the report will be discussed there as well.
“Our investigation revealed that, for many years, a few senior EC leaders, along with outside counsel, largely controlled the EC’s response to these reports of abuse ... and were singularly focused on avoiding liability for the SBC,” the report said.
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“In service of this goal, survivors and others who reported abuse were ignored, disbelieved, or met with the constant refrain that the SBC could take no action due to its polity regarding church autonomy – even if it meant that convicted molesters continued in ministry with no notice or warning to their current church or congregation,” the report added.
The report asserts that an Executive Committee staffer maintained a list of Baptist ministers accused of abuse, but there is no indication anyone “took any action to ensure that the accused ministers were no longer in positions of power at SBC churches.”
The most recent list includes the names of hundreds of abusers thought to be affiliated at some point with the SBC. Survivors and advocates have long called for a public database of abusers.
SBC President Ed Litton, in a statement Sunday, said he is “grieved to my core” for the victims and thanked God for their work propelling the SBC to this moment. He called on Southern Baptists to lament and prepare to change the denomination’s culture and implement reforms.
“I pray Southern Baptists will begin preparing today to take deliberate action to address these failures and chart a new course when we meet together in Anaheim,” Litton said.
Among the report’s key recommendations:
— Form an independent commission and later establish a permanent administrative entity to oversee comprehensive long-term reforms concerning sɛҳuąƖ abuse and related misconduct within the SBC.
—Create and maintain an Offender Information System to alert the community to known offenders.
— Provide a comprehensive Resource Toolbox including protocols, training, education, and practical information.
—Restrict the use of nondisclosure agreements and civil settlements which bind survivors to confidentiality in sɛҳuąƖ abuse matters, unless requested by the survivor.
The interim leaders of the Executive Committee, Willie McLaurin and Rolland Slade, welcomed the recommendations, and pledged an all-out effort to eliminate sex abuse within the SBC.
“We recognize there are no shortcuts,” they said. “We must all meet this challenge through prudent and prayerful application, and we must do so with Christ-like compassion.”
The sex abuse scandal was thrust into the spotlight in 2019 by a landmark report from the Houston Chronicle and San Antonio Express-News docuмenting hundreds of cases in Southern Baptist churches, including several in which alleged perpetrators remained in ministry.
Last year, thousands of delegates at the national SBC gathering made clear they did not want the Executive Committee to oversee an investigation of its own actions. Instead they voted overwhelmingly to create the task force charged with overseeing the third-party review. Litton, pastor of Redemption Church in Saraland, Alabama, appointed the panel.
The task force had a week to review the report before it was publicly released. The task force’s recommendations based on Guidepost’s findings will be presented at the SBC’s meeting in Anaheim.
The report offers shocking details on how Johnny Hunt, a Georgia-based pastor and past SBC president, sɛҳuąƖly assaulted another pastor’s wife during a beach vacation in 2010. In an interview with investigators, Hunt denied any physical contact with the woman, but did admit he had interactions with her.
On May 13, Hunt, who was the senior vice president of evangelism and leadership at the North American Mission Board, the SBC’s domestic missions agency, resigned from that post, said Kevin Ezell, the organization’s president and CEO. Ezell said, before May 13, he was “not aware of any alleged misconduct” on Hunt’s part.
The report details a meeting Hunt arranged a few days after the alleged assault between the woman, her husband, Hunt and a counseling pastor. According to the report, Hunt admitted to touching the victim inappropriately, but said “thank God I didn’t consummate the relationship.”
In a statement Sunday, Hunt disputed the report.
“I vigorously deny the circuмstances and characterizations set forth in the Guidepost report,” he said. “I have never abused anybody.”
Among those reacting strongly to the Guidepost report was Russell Moore, who formerly headed the SBC’s public policy wing but left the denomination after accusing top Executive Committee leaders of stalling efforts to address the sex abuse crisis.
“Crisis is too small a word. It is an apocalypse,” Moore wrote for Christianity Today after reading the report. ”As dark a view as I had of the SBC Executive Committee, the investigation uncovers a reality far more evil and systemic than I imagined it could be.”
According to the report, Guidepost’s investigators, who spoke with survivors of varying ages including children, said the survivors were equally traumatized by the way in which churches responded to their reports of sɛҳuąƖ abuse.
Survivors “spoke of trauma from the initial abuse, but also told us of the debilitating effects that come from the response of the churches and institutions like the SBC that did not believe them, ignored them, mistreated them, and failed to help them,” the report said.
It cited the case of Dave Pittman, who from 2006 to 2011 made phone calls and sent letters and emails to the SBC and Georgia Baptist Convention Board reporting that he had been abused by Frankie Wiley, a youth pastor at Rehoboth Baptist Church when he was 12 to 15 years old.
Pittman and several others have come forward publicly to report that Wiley molested and raped them and Wiley has admitted to abusing “numerous victims” at several Georgia Southern Baptist churches.
According to the report, a Georgia Baptist Convention official told Pittman that the churches were autonomous and there was nothing he could do but pray.
The report also tells the story of Christa Brown, who says she was sɛҳuąƖly abused as a teen by the youth and education minister at her SBC church.
When she disclosed the abuse to the music minister after months of abuse, she was told not to talk about it, according to the report, which said her abuser also went on to serve in Southern Baptist churches in multiple states.
Brown, who has been one of the most outspoken survivors, told investigators that during the past 15 years she has received “volumes of hate mail, awful blog comments, and vitriolic phone calls.”
After reading through the report, Brown told The Associated Press that it “fundamentally confirms what Southern Baptist clergy sex abuse survivors have been saying for decades.”
“I view this investigative report as a beginning, not an end. The work will continue,” Brown said. “But no one should ever forget the human cost of what it has taken to even get the SBC to approach this starting line of beginning to deal with clergy sex abuse.”
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Associated Press religion coverage receives support through the AP’s collaboration with The Conversation US, with funding from Lilly Endowment Inc. The AP is solely responsible for this content.
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The world is in chaos is because of mortal sin being treated as the normal in society.
Even if priests were to get married, there would still be the problem of mortal sin in general. The Catholic priests it is mostly little boys and a few girls. Protestant ministers are pedophiles breaking church and wedding vows to have sex with little girls. Many are watching porn, regular tv, and Visiting prostitutes and sex shops. There theft, gluttony, lying etc. too.
There are married Protestant preacher man & woman)in a town close by whose whole Baptist Church promote and celebrate pride month with participation of rainbow barf activities. The preacher and wife of course are in their 50’s. It is disgusting.
Then we see the vomit coming from jimmy alphabet rainbow barf Martin and his good buddy Bergolio. The old joke used to be is the pope Catholic?
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The point is there are plenty of married Catholic priests in the Eastern Rite. The Church allows married men to become priests, so it's logical to conclude it's not a bad thing if the Church were to allow married men in the Roman Rite to become priests. Your comment is a red herring, thus, it's irrelevant and nonsensical.
No. It is not. You either did not read my comments or you are completely ignorant.
I didn't say that allowing married men in the Roman Rite to become priests (though I think this is the better law) would necessarily be a bad thing. I asked if the Roman Rite would allow priests to marry and would we end up having married bishops. The red herring is actually the straw man you erected to "refute" my comments, for you responded to an issue that was very specifically not raised.
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No. It is not. You either did not read my comments or you are completely ignorant.
I didn't say that allowing married men in the Roman Rite to become priests (though I think this is the better law) would necessarily be a bad thing. I asked if the Roman Rite would allow priests to marry and would we end up having married bishops. The red herring is actually the straw man you erected to "refute" my comments, for you responded to an issue that was very specifically not raised.
Married bishops have never been permitted even in the Eastern Rites. Also, once ordained to the priesthood, men cannot marry; they must be married before ordination. So the little joke is that if ever a non-married priests receives ordination, it's because he aspires to be a bishop.
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But, yes, it's a sad joke that they blame pedophilia on priests not being able to marry. Men who are inclined to marry (i.e. are attracted to actual women) are rarely also attracted to young boys (or even young girls). Those qualities of adult women that are attractive to men are simply not present in little boys. It's clearly a problem of sodomites being admitted to the priesthood ... and yet these same dirtbags that attack (almost exclusively) the Catholic Church for pedophilia, at the same time they attack the Church for not openly welcoming the same sodomites that are in fact the vast majority of pedophiles (rarely do you here of little girls being assaulted). They are animated by nothing more than a hatred of the One True Church founded by Jesus Christ. That too is evidence that the Catholic Church is the True Church. Satanists do not steal Prot communion wafers for their Black Masses. Similarly, the media is exclusively chastising the Catholic Church for pedophilia, turning it into a Catholic issue only, whereas stats indicate that it's just as prevalent elsewhere, in other religious groups, and even in secular groups.
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Hot take: how about this?
Publicly and ruthlessly execute boy rapists, bring back sane seminary standards and expectations & Priestly discipline, and keep the Western Tradition of unmarried priests.
You know? Like the good ol’ days. :popcorn:
Help me out here with my history. When were "boy rapists" ever "publicly and ruthlessly executed"? And was this ever done when --- may God have forbidden! --- the rapist was a priest or monk?
I do agree, it's a problem among Protestant ministers as well. I know of one case personally --- he was into girls, not boys, not so far as I know, anyway, served time. And even where they've never been charged, some of those guys are just weird.
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I asked if the Roman Rite would allow priests to marry and would we end up having married bishops. The red herring is actually the straw man you erected to "refute" my comments, for you responded to an issue that was very specifically not raised.
That's your red herring in bold. I never entertained that idea in the first place, so why bring it (and other nonsensical points) up to me in your ignorant and illogical response? You actually invert reality here and accuse me of doing the very thing you did The strawman is yours, too. Again, your responses are irrelevant (b/c married bishops never allowed in Eastern Rite, anyway) and nonsensical. Maybe you have a reading comprehension problem, too.
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June 17th 2022
Most Irish Catholics want ordination of women and marriage for priests
Desire for deeper inclusion of LGBTI+ people also revealed after consultation with faithful across all 26 Irish Catholic dioceses
A survey of the 26 Irish diocesan reports has found 96 per cent of people consulted favoured the ordination of women, whether as deacons or priests. Where LGBTI+ people were concerned, 85 per cent expressed concern at church exclusion, attitudes and language, while almost 70 per cent wanted greater lay involvement in church decision-making. Photograph: Filip Singer/Shutterstock
The great majority of practising Irish Catholics favour the ordination of women, marriage for priests who want it, greater roles for divorced and remarried people or couples and single parents, and more respect for LGBTQI+ people.
They also want better-prepared, shorter sermons and the removal of bloodthirsty Old Testament readings from Masses and other liturgies. according to a survey of tens of thousands of believers across the church’s 26 dioceses on the island.
Similar surveys to the Irish one, which will be considered by an 160-strong national assembly in Athlone, Co Westmeath on Saturday, are under way across the Catholic world in preparation for a synod in Rome next year.
`Synodal pathway`
Known as “the synodal pathway”, it began in Ireland last October, with each diocese preparing its own report. Each of the reports, along with some independent submissions, will be collated and edited, before being sent to Rome in August.
It will be Irish Catholics’ contribution to the worldwide Synod on Synodality called by Pope Francis for the Vatican in October 2023.
A survey of the 26 Irish diocesan reports has found that 96 per cent of people consulted favoured the ordination of women, whether as deacons or priests. Where LGBTI+ people were concerned, 85 per cent expressed concern at church exclusion, attitudes and language, while almost 70 per cent wanted greater lay involvement in church decision-making.
Underlining the unprecedented and historic nature of this process, Sr Nathalie Becquart, undersecretary of the Synod of Bishops in Rome, said it marked the first time in 2,000 years that the Catholic Church had undertaken such a worldwide consultation. It is now nearing the end of its first – diocesan – phase.
Addressing Ireland’s Catholic bishops at their summer meeting in Maynooth this week, she said Pope Francis strongly considered this to be the most important phase of the synodal process, as it drew on input from the grassroots. For the church, locally and universally, it was a path they were on and people had no idea where it would end, she said, but everyone should be open to the “surprises of the Holy Spirit”.
Meantime, the Irish Catholic Church will continue with preparations for its own national synod in 2025.
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June 17th 2022
Most Irish Catholics want ordination of women and marriage for priests
Desire for deeper inclusion of LGBTI+ people also revealed after consultation with faithful across all 26 Irish Catholic dioceses
A survey of the 26 Irish diocesan reports has found 96 per cent of people consulted favoured the ordination of women, whether as deacons or priests. Where LGBTI+ people were concerned, 85 per cent expressed concern at church exclusion, attitudes and language, while almost 70 per cent wanted greater lay involvement in church decision-making. Photograph: Filip Singer/Shutterstock
The great majority of practising Irish Catholics favour the ordination of women, marriage for priests who want it, greater roles for divorced and remarried people or couples and single parents, and more respect for LGBTQI+ people.
They also want better-prepared, shorter sermons and the removal of bloodthirsty Old Testament readings from Masses and other liturgies. according to a survey of tens of thousands of believers across the church’s 26 dioceses on the island.
Similar surveys to the Irish one, which will be considered by an 160-strong national assembly in Athlone, Co Westmeath on Saturday, are under way across the Catholic world in preparation for a synod in Rome next year.
`Synodal pathway`
Known as “the synodal pathway”, it began in Ireland last October, with each diocese preparing its own report. Each of the reports, along with some independent submissions, will be collated and edited, before being sent to Rome in August.
It will be Irish Catholics’ contribution to the worldwide Synod on Synodality called by Pope Francis for the Vatican in October 2023.
A survey of the 26 Irish diocesan reports has found that 96 per cent of people consulted favoured the ordination of women, whether as deacons or priests. Where LGBTI+ people were concerned, 85 per cent expressed concern at church exclusion, attitudes and language, while almost 70 per cent wanted greater lay involvement in church decision-making.
Underlining the unprecedented and historic nature of this process, Sr Nathalie Becquart, undersecretary of the Synod of Bishops in Rome, said it marked the first time in 2,000 years that the Catholic Church had undertaken such a worldwide consultation. It is now nearing the end of its first – diocesan – phase.
Addressing Ireland’s Catholic bishops at their summer meeting in Maynooth this week, she said Pope Francis strongly considered this to be the most important phase of the synodal process, as it drew on input from the grassroots. For the church, locally and universally, it was a path they were on and people had no idea where it would end, she said, but everyone should be open to the “surprises of the Holy Spirit”.
Meantime, the Irish Catholic Church will continue with preparations for its own national synod in 2025.
Well, you can't be shocked that the Church in Ireland died. Hard to have a Catholic country when they don't even believe in the Catholic faith.
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But, yes, it's a sad joke that they blame pedophilia on priests not being able to marry. Men who are inclined to marry (i.e. are attracted to actual women) are rarely also attracted to young boys (or even young girls). Those qualities of adult women that are attractive to men are simply not present in little boys. It's clearly a problem of sodomites being admitted to the priesthood ... and yet these same dirtbags that attack (almost exclusively) the Catholic Church for pedophilia, at the same time they attack the Church for not openly welcoming the same sodomites that are in fact the vast majority of pedophiles (rarely do you here of little girls being assaulted). They are animated by nothing more than a hatred of the One True Church founded by Jesus Christ. That too is evidence that the Catholic Church is the True Church. Satanists do not steal Prot communion wafers for their Black Masses. Similarly, the media is exclusively chastising the Catholic Church for pedophilia, turning it into a Catholic issue only, whereas stats indicate that it's just as prevalent elsewhere, in other religious groups, and even in secular groups.
Just me thinking out loud here, not necessarily proposing this, but I wonder if, in a world where a man HAD to be married to an adult woman to become a priest (with rare, carefully vetted exceptions for those aspiring to Episcopacy and monastics since I get that those have been consistent parts of the Tradition) if you'd see less of this. I have no doubt that the men that are currently pedos would still be pedos, but I wonder if less of them would manage to become priests in the first place.
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That's your red herring in bold. I never entertained that idea in the first place, so why bring it (and other nonsensical points) up to me in your ignorant and illogical response? You actually invert reality here and accuse me of doing the very thing you did The strawman is yours, too. Again, your responses are irrelevant (b/c married bishops never allowed in Eastern Rite, anyway) and nonsensical. Maybe you have a reading comprehension problem, too.
I didn't say you brought it up. I brought it up because every time a married clergy is discussed in the media it is always discussed as if it's a given that priests will be be allowed to marry. That's not a red herring. It's a legitimate question. The real question here is why you brought up something that was obviously irrelevant and why you jumped on me for asking a legitimate question by "refuting" my question (you did the very same thing above) by creating a strawman that had mischaracterized my query.