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Offline Alex117

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Muslims or Mohammedans?
« on: October 19, 2012, 01:58:35 AM »
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    • I have noticed many traditionalists, and pretty much everybody on this forum, refer to Muslims as "Mohammedans". Why is this? Is there something insufficient about the word "Muslim", or something inherently wrong with it?
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    « Reply #1 on: October 19, 2012, 02:00:36 AM »
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    • Mohammedan means follower of Mohammed and Muslim means "those who have submitted to the will of Allah" so both are correct.
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    « Reply #2 on: October 19, 2012, 02:06:34 AM »
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    • If I'm not mistaken I think Mohammedan was used in Europe quite a lot a while back, at least I've seen a lot of older docuмents with the word "Mohammedan."
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    « Reply #3 on: October 19, 2012, 02:55:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    Mohammedan means follower of Mohammed and Muslim means "those who have submitted to the will of Allah" so both are correct.


    Mohammedan was the term used in the Occident, since it was replaced with the more political correct term of muslim rather recently.

    As far as I know, Arab Christians also employ the name Allah for God, therefore it would be wrong to designate Mohammedans as having truly submitted to the will of Allah, God, in a false religion or heresy.
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    « Reply #4 on: October 19, 2012, 03:34:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pyrrhos
    Mohammedan was the term used in the Occident, since it was replaced with the more political correct term of muslim rather recently.

    As far as I know, Arab Christians also employ the name Allah for God, therefore it would be wrong to designate Mohammedans as having truly submitted to the will of Allah, God, in a false religion or heresy.


    Muslim comes from the religious term Islam of course and is Arabic for "those who have submitted to the will of Allah."

    Both seem to me to be the same thing since the whole eccense of Islam is that the follower "submits to Allah."

    Islam is inferior to Christianity although consider Judaism and the Jєωs who have infiltrated and controlled many political movements in the West and consider their vile nature.
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    Offline Stephen Francis

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    Muslims or Mohammedans?
    « Reply #5 on: October 19, 2012, 04:31:57 AM »
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    • try 'infidel' or 'pagan'. much easier.

    (bad joke; haven't had my coffee yet this AM).

    Seriously, though, 'Muslim' accords the person's religion too much respect. 'Mohammedan' is more correct if you are simply referring to what they believe and not trying to seem to approve of it in any way.

    I know people that will only refer to Catholics as ROMAN Catholics, because that's what they are (and it means they respect the person's beliefs despite differences). I have also heard the word 'Catholic' said in such a way that it sounded dirty, disgusting and dismissive.

    FWIW, 'Papist' or 'Romanist' is the Roman Catholic equivalent of 'Mohammedan'. Shows that there is a recognition of one's belief on some point, but is entirely unsympathetic to that belief.

    Honestly, I just don't see the value in 'making nice' when it comes to false religions. There are myriad ways to be kind and respectful to PEOPLE without approving one bit of their pagan or heretical views.

    All that to say, use 'Muslim' if you are in a situation where using 'Mohammedan' might cause a fight. Keep 'Mohammedan' in your mind, though, no matter what you're saying.
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    « Reply #6 on: October 19, 2012, 06:29:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pyrrhos
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    Mohammedan means follower of Mohammed and Muslim means "those who have submitted to the will of Allah" so both are correct.


    Mohammedan was the term used in the Occident, since it was replaced with the more political correct term of muslim rather recently.

    As far as I know, Arab Christians also employ the name Allah for God, therefore it would be wrong to designate Mohammedans as having truly submitted to the will of Allah, God, in a false religion or heresy.


    It looks like the use of Mohammedan dropped off precipitously between 1800 and 1810.

    Moslem was more popular for a while, where as Muslim has taken off easily

    http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=mohammedan%2C+moslem%2C+muslim&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=
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    « Reply #7 on: October 19, 2012, 06:33:34 AM »
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    • popish, popery, papist, romanist, ultramontanist, roman catholic, traditional catholic

    hehe, there was tremendous hostility for Catholicism in English literature for a long time.
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    « Reply #8 on: October 19, 2012, 06:36:13 AM »
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    « Reply #9 on: October 19, 2012, 07:12:24 AM »
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    • I didn't realize it was case-sensitive.  The results did seem strange.
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    « Reply #10 on: October 19, 2012, 10:11:01 AM »
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    • Wow, thanks for all the replies and those nice graphs, fellas. I didn't know Google had invented that kind of technology. I think I'll start using the term Mohammedan from now on, unless I'm sure it's going to get my head lopped off. :laugh1:
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    « Reply #11 on: October 19, 2012, 04:39:08 PM »
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    • I Moslem is correct in it's meaning: Against God.  Where as Muslim means the opposite.  So, refer to them as Moslem.  Catholics fought the Moslems and when we won our wars, we built our churches over their mosques.  And they did the same to the Catholics.  
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    « Reply #12 on: October 19, 2012, 05:20:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Alex117
    I have noticed many traditionalists, and pretty much everybody on this forum, refer to Muslims as "Mohammedans". Why is this? Is there something insufficient about the word "Muslim", or something inherently wrong with it?


    I have always used it because their religion was invented by Mohammed, whose teachings they follow.  They do not follow God, and since "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for God, I do not use their preferred title of "Muslim" often because it the titles designates a falsehood and seems to accord their false religion a sense of legitimacy.  I don't call Mormons "Latter-Day Saints" or refer to their group as "LDS" for the same reason.  It seems like everybody else had more or less the same reasons.
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    « Reply #13 on: October 19, 2012, 05:53:58 PM »
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    I don't call Mormons "Latter-Day Saints" or refer to their group as "LDS" for the same reason.

    Hmm, but should we call them Mormons, when they are not followers of "Mormon", but Joseph Smith? "JosephSmithian" rolls off the tongue quite nicely!
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