Author Topic: Muhammed Ali against race mixing (Read 3431 times)

Croix de Fer · « **on:** June 05, 2016, 07:49:38 PM »

I think there are exceptions to what Ali says here, especially if the interracial marriage is between two (traditional) Catholics and the multi ethnic society is truly (traditional) Catholic, otherwise, he is spot on and correct. Some of you may be surprised that he held these beliefs:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/oVpfcq4pV5U[/youtube]

klasG4e · « **Reply #1 on:** June 05, 2016, 08:38:05 PM »

I know not if any Catholic confessional state has ever banned racially mixed marriages. At the same time, my understanding is that it would actually be well within such a state's prerogative to do so. In saying this I am not implying that such a state would necessarily be making a correct judgment call under any given set of facts if it were to impose an anti-miscegenation law, only that as far as I know it would have the God given authority to do such. If I am wrong in this matter, I hope someone can show me where and how.

What I have said here relates I think to the proper Catholic hierarchy of things in the social order where country or nation actually goes before family. The ranking would be: 1) Religion 2) Nation 3) Family. That ranking reflects the reality, for example, of the government (assuming it is a rightfully lawful government) of a nation to rightfully trump the family in its authority to pull a man from his family to go fight in a just war.

knish · « **Reply #2 on:** June 05, 2016, 10:45:55 PM »

Seen it and loved it.

Red Birds with the Red Birds. Blue Birds with the Blue Birds.

Makes sense.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #3 on:** June 06, 2016, 08:44:24 AM »

In heaven, the hierarchy will not be as on Earth, the rich and famous will likely not even be there, and the poor humble Catholic Mestizo may be up in a higher order. In Heaven it is all about the true Faith, Catholicism lived.

For a Catholic, the foremost priority in marriage is finding another Catholic, and by Catholic I mean a person that lives Catholicism. There are scarcely any of these persons in the world today. If that rare person is of another income class, nationality, race, I would snatch her up before someone else does.

For every taste, God invented a color. To each his own. In the world (outside of the true Faith lived), you can't regulate, outlaw, who a person can and can't be attracted to, it is like trying to stop an earthquake by putting duct tape on the crack. You can't fight nature.

ClarkSmith · « **Reply #4 on:** June 06, 2016, 11:38:41 AM »

It is the role of the parents to judge whether a man is Catholic and will provide for their daughter. It's very modernist to declare yourself a good man and not take in account the parents. Marriage used to require parental consent.

klasG4e · « **Reply #5 on:** June 06, 2016, 06:16:58 PM »

Here's another view of Ali that the MSM did a good job of covering up: PALESTINE

truthlover15 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 06, 2016, 07:25:12 PM »

Opposition to interracial marriage is ridiculous, illogical, and ultimately unCatholic.

Galatians 3:28- There is neither Jєω nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

the accidental qualities of someone's skin color does not have any influence on their soul. All of us are children of Adam and Eve. God does not make a distinction between a white person and a black person etc. All he cares about is your faith and works.

JezusDeKoning · « **Reply #7 on:** June 06, 2016, 07:49:40 PM »

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Opposition to interracial marriage is ridiculous, illogical, and ultimately unCatholic.

Galatians 3:28- There is neither Jєω nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

the accidental qualities of someone's skin color does not have any influence on their soul. All of us are children of Adam and Eve. God does not make a distinction between a white person and a black person etc. All he cares about is your faith and works.

Listen, this is coming from someone who is mixed-race himself, as is most of his ancestral homeland:

Opposing interracial marriage is fine. Really, it is. Having preferences over who to marry in terms of race isn't just fine, I would argue that it's normal.

My family is from the Dominican Republic. Both of my parents were born there and still have family there. I'd probably never date or marry a Latina. Beautiful girls on the outside, but I don't like their personalities. Like, I've never been attracted to one nor would I ever want to be with one. Am I unCatholic? No, I just have preferences.

truthlover15 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 06, 2016, 07:52:06 PM »

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Opposition to interracial marriage is ridiculous, illogical, and ultimately unCatholic.

Galatians 3:28- There is neither Jєω nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

the accidental qualities of someone's skin color does not have any influence on their soul. All of us are children of Adam and Eve. God does not make a distinction between a white person and a black person etc. All he cares about is your faith and works.

Listen, this is coming from someone who is mixed-race himself, as is most of his ancestral homeland:

Opposing interracial marriage is fine. Really, it is. Having preferences over who to marry in terms of race isn't just fine, I would argue that it's normal.

My family is from the Dominican Republic. Both of my parents were born there and still have family there. I'd probably never date or marry a Latina. Beautiful girls on the outside, but I don't like their personalities. Like, I've never been attracted to one nor would I ever want to be with one. Am I unCatholic? No, I just have preferences.

Of course, one could have preferences when it comes to physical attractiveness. Opposition to interracial marriage is stupid and uncharitable.

JezusDeKoning · « **Reply #9 on:** June 06, 2016, 07:54:25 PM »

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Opposition to interracial marriage is ridiculous, illogical, and ultimately unCatholic.

Galatians 3:28- There is neither Jєω nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

the accidental qualities of someone's skin color does not have any influence on their soul. All of us are children of Adam and Eve. God does not make a distinction between a white person and a black person etc. All he cares about is your faith and works.

Listen, this is coming from someone who is mixed-race himself, as is most of his ancestral homeland:

Opposing interracial marriage is fine. Really, it is. Having preferences over who to marry in terms of race isn't just fine, I would argue that it's normal.

My family is from the Dominican Republic. Both of my parents were born there and still have family there. I'd probably never date or marry a Latina. Beautiful girls on the outside, but I don't like their personalities. Like, I've never been attracted to one nor would I ever want to be with one. Am I unCatholic? No, I just have preferences.

Of course, one could have preferences when it comes to physical attractiveness. Opposition to interracial marriage is stupid and uncharitable.

Nope. Opposing it, as long as it's done in charity is fine.

truthlover15 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 06, 2016, 07:57:09 PM »

Nope. Opposing it, as long as it's done in charity is fine. [/quote]

Again, nationality and/or skin color has no influence on the soul. Catholics have supernatural charity which looks past those things. I cannot think of one reason why interracial marriage would be problematic. the assertion that interracial marriage is wrong is just preposterous.

klasG4e · « **Reply #11 on:** June 06, 2016, 08:29:36 PM »

truthlover15

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Opposition to interracial marriage is ridiculous, illogical, and ultimately unCatholic.

What kind of opposition do you mean and are you referring to before the proposed or thought about marriage or after a valid marriage actually takes place?

There are many instances in the every day real world when parents, siblings, friends, etc. may be strongly and ultimately motivated by a true Christian (read Catholic) charity in opposing an interracial marriage of one they especially care for. That certainly does not imply that they are necessarily making any kind of a moral judgment or otherwise on another race regardless of how much they might be slandered by some for doing so.

Once a valid interracial marriage takes place, however, the Catholic should deal with it in a charitable way, but that doesn't mean they have to alter their view against a proposed interracial marriage in any other instance or any negative view they may hold against interracial marriage in general, nor must they accept the now existing interracial marriage as somehow having been a good idea simply because of it having become a fait accompli.

Like I said earlier, as far as I know a Catholic confessional state would be acting well within its prerogative to ban interracial marriages. (That doesn't, of course, mean -- and history has shown it -- that it necessarily would.) The presumed Catholic rationale would be one of maintaining the common good or welfare of the particular nation. Believe it or not the right to get married is not absolute! The state does indeed have the legitimate right to exclude certain people and even certain classes (I am not talking about races) of people from getting married.

P.S. It was not without accident that the Blessed Virgin Mary was espoused to a man of her own race.

truthlover15 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 06, 2016, 08:47:36 PM »

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Opposition to interracial marriage is ridiculous, illogical, and ultimately unCatholic.

What kind of opposition do you mean and are you referring to before the proposed or thought about marriage or after a valid marriage actually takes place?

There are many instances in the every day real world when parents, siblings, friends, etc. may be strongly and ultimately motivated by a true Christian (read Catholic) charity in opposing an interracial marriage of one they especially care for. That certainly does not imply that they are necessarily making any kind of a moral judgment or otherwise on another race regardless of how much they might be slandered by some for doing so.

Once a valid interracial marriage takes place, however, the Catholic should deal with it in a charitable way, but that doesn't mean they have to alter their view against a proposed interracial marriage in any other instance or any negative view they may hold against interracial marriage in general, nor must they accept the now existing interracial marriage as somehow having been a good idea simply because of it having become a fait accompli.

Like I said earlier, as far as I know a Catholic confessional state would be acting well within its prerogative to ban interracial marriages. (That doesn't, of course, mean -- and history has shown it -- that it necessarily would.) The presumed Catholic rationale would be one of maintaining the common good or welfare of the particular nation. Believe it or not the right to get married is not absolute! The state does indeed have the legitimate right to exclude certain people and even certain classes (I am not talking about races) of people from getting married.

P.S. It was not without accident that the Blessed Virgin Mary was espoused to a man of her own race.

duh- because they both lived in Judea where Judeans live. Most people living in Judea were obviously Judeans. Again- true Catholic charity does not consider skin color, race, and/or nationality. We are all descendants of Adam and Eve. Believing interracial marriages are wrong is a manifestation of worldliness and selfishness.

Nick · « **Reply #13 on:** June 06, 2016, 08:50:10 PM »

" it was not without accident that the Blessed Virgin Mary was espoused to a man of her own race. "

It may not have been accidental , but it was probably incidental.

JezusDeKoning · « **Reply #14 on:** June 06, 2016, 09:24:28 PM »

When it's done in a way that benefits the Church, it benefits all.

Society benefits from the white race and society needs the white race. So, if countries need to limit things to keep the state white and Catholic, they have every right to.