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Re: Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast
« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2022, 01:03:21 PM »
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  • "I disagree with +Vigano in his assessment of Trump." should suffice.

    One could say similar things about other Traditional Catholics:
    "I disagree with +Lefebvre on EENS."
    "I disagree with +Williamson on Valtorta and Garabandal and his view of the NOM."
    "I disagree with SSPV about withholding Communion from those who assist at CMRI Masses."

    This degree of contempt and derision is completely unjustified and uncharitable.
    Perhaps that's because he is looked upon by some as the one who will save the Church.  It goes both ways.

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    Re: Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast
    « Reply #31 on: October 20, 2022, 01:03:51 PM »
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  • Here's Christ as Sol Invictus in a ceiling Mosaic at the Vatican grottos.  This was common in early Christian iconography.




    Thanks.  From what I can find it doesn't appear to be common but there are one or two examples.

    Are there any examples of popes or saints referring to Jesus as the Sol Invictus?

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    Re: Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast
    « Reply #32 on: October 20, 2022, 01:20:36 PM »
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  • Yes, that is possible.  It could be a problem with the English translation.
    Yes. No one ever answered my question yesterday "Who translated this?"
    I'm guessing it was de Lugo since the link in his OP is to the Italian.
    In fact, using different search engines, no where can I find this online in English.
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    Re: Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast
    « Reply #33 on: October 20, 2022, 07:46:43 PM »
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  • Traditional Catholics generally are well aware of the Jєωιѕн/ʝʊdɛօ-masonic conspiracy, including their means and methods. I fail to see how treating public persons in the same manner as a private person is either reasonable or prudent. An ex-KGB politician, retired Conciliar "Archbishop", or actors/entertainers in Jєωιѕн industries already give reason to express reservations without being uncharitable. Charity also requires the love of truth.

    Notorious for “outing” the Jєωs in their H0L0H0AX lies,
    a traditional Catholic Bishop named Richard Williamson referenced the “Jєωs” (5) x’s in his last EC posted on this forum.

    Outing the Jєωs is charity. 

    Keeping silent about them is the false-charity of a consiliar Catholic.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast
    « Reply #34 on: October 20, 2022, 07:59:45 PM »
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  • Perhaps you could also take it up with Our Blessed Mother for using the term "errors of Russia" without any mention of the Jєωs behind it.  She mentions or alludes to "Russia" many times without once using the word "Jєω".

    Sure, +Vigano would persuade many people toward Traditional Catholicism by going off on a 5-paragraph rant about Jєωs in every speech and letter of his.  Those who are aware of the Jєω conspiracy don't need more than an oblique allusion to it.  Those who are not aware of it would be turned off by a "raving lunatic" spouting off about Jєωs.

    Just wondering.  Have you guys every heard about this mysterious virtue called "prudence"?  Look it up.  It's generally considered the "mother" of all virtues, the one which weighs the pros and cons, and the consequences of each exercise of the other virtues.  Yet I'm sure that some of you clowns would consider it a virtue to get in some ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ's face and berate them constantly, "You filthy sodomite." ... as if that kind of behavior will cause you to win their conversion.  No, it only makes you feel superior in your own tiny minds.

    One example comes from St. Thomas.  While it's a virtue to rebuke the sinner, St. Thomas holds that not only is it not obligatory IF someone in prudence judges that it would do no good, but it could even be a vice to rebuke someone IF prudence suggests that the rebuke would only cause them to become more hardened in their sin.  That is because the END or the GOAL of rebuking the sinner is to win their conversion.  So in some cases, the material act of rebuking the sinner actually militates against the true formal end of the act, thereby making it a vice against charity rather than a virtue, by accomplishing the exact opposite of the rationale for its being a virtue.

    You guys are really terrible and won't accept any correction on this matter whatsover.  Take 5 seconds to think what would happen (clearly +Vigano did) if +Vigano was constantly spoutinig off about the "Jєωs".  Sure, you clowns would fist-bump each other and celebrate, but you already are "convinced" and it would be just preaching to the choir.  Now imagine you're a conservative Novus Ordite programmed by Jєω conditioning so that you would consider this Anti-Semitic.  You would be much less receptive to what he has to say about Vatican II, Modernist, Bergoglio, etc.  Is it more important for someone's salvation to believe that V2 and the NOM are bad (Traditional Catholicism good) or to believe that the Jєωs run the world?

    Also, take 5 seconds to think what would have happened had +Vigano written a 10-paragraph condemation of Trump.  +Vigano is a good judge of character, and he realizes that Trump has a yuge (yet fragile) ego and that any such criticism would simply cause Trump to lash out and dig his heels in, whereas the flattery (with carefully-chosen words that did not endorse or justify the bad things he's done) would elicit a positive reaction.  Trump ended up proudly re-tweeting the latter.  In it, +Vigano said that he "dared hope" that Trump was on the side of good, admitting that he wasn't certain of it, but attempting to elicit whatever good might lurk somewhere inside that (dark, evil) heart of his.

    You guys think it's a major virtue on your part as you thump your chest acting like bigshots (while condemning those who do not follow suit and do likewise) and excoriate the Jєωs anonymously on a relatively-minor website.

    This is both arrogant and idiotic.

    Lads, you’ve become the forum’s Golem monster 👹 

    We have to suffer your endless, posts and none may give you a down-vote for being such a bore.

    You function as Cathinfo’s de facto chat monitor.

    Beware, for as with Ignis Ardens, the first sign of a forum’s demise is when the bully monitors arise.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast
    « Reply #35 on: October 20, 2022, 08:08:51 PM »
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  • Yes. No one ever answered my question yesterday "Who translated this?"
    I'm guessing it was de Lugo since the link in his OP is to the Italian.
    In fact, using different search engines, no where can I find this online in English.
    I copied the link and pasted in the Chrome search on my android phone. When the page opened, at the bottom of my screen it offered an option to translate it to English.
    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
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    Re: Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast
    « Reply #36 on: October 20, 2022, 08:53:09 PM »
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  • Agreed.  Some people here have an irrational contempt for +Vigano.  If he writes a letter about A, B, and C ... they complain that he didn't write about D, E, F ... as if he can touch upon every subject in every letter.  Different letters may have different themes (something we're taught in English composition class in grade school).  They despise him so much that someone gave you a downthumb just for calling +Vigano a Catholic.

    One here (perhaps literally) foams at the mouth whenever she hears anything positive said about Trump.  I do agree that Trump is (at least) controlled, but +Vigano's mention of Trump about 5-6 times in a positive light for her negates the 999 other things he's written about.  And nobody's permitted to make any kind of mistake without getting crucified by the sanctimonious chest-thumpers who feel as if they're changing the world by ranting against a man who's no longer relevant in the world in every or every other post on a relatively tiny forum.

    Others despise him because he doesn't join the Globalists in supporting Ukraine but believes that there's some natural good in Vladimir Putin.

    He's excoriated for having been in the Novus Ordo, rather than embraced and welcomed warmly for having, by God's grace, become a Traditional Catholic ... as if any of us is here for any other reason than God's free unmerited grace.  Nobody's perfect.  Only a small percetage of Catholic popes are canonized, and God knows how many are in hell.

    It's really very disgaceful.

    But, to your point, all of +Vigano's letters read almost like Papal Encyclicals.
    I despise the VII church, but don't understand why the clergy still in the midst of the wolves who speak up for Tradition are attacked (by trads). If those clergy all break ties with Rome, we'll never see another orthodox pope.
    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
    Ephesians 6:12

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    Re: Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast
    « Reply #37 on: October 20, 2022, 08:56:42 PM »
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  • Lads, you’ve become the forum’s Golem monster 👹

    We have to suffer your endless, posts and none may give you a down-vote for being such a bore.

    You function as Cathinfo’s de facto chat monitor.

    Beware, for as with Ignis Ardens, the first sign of a forum’s demise is when the bully monitors arise.
    Nailed it!


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    Re: Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast
    « Reply #38 on: October 20, 2022, 11:50:00 PM »
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    How sad for a 54-year old man to behave so badly behind the veil of anonymity. So brave! Your true nature is evident, calumniator. Keep posting and showing yourself for what you are, because that's the best you have accomplished these last few weeks. How low will you sink before you can admit the truth about yourself? Stop calling me a liar and reply to someone who wants to read your filth.

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    Re: Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast
    « Reply #39 on: October 21, 2022, 01:08:11 PM »
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  • Here's Christ as Sol Invictus in a ceiling Mosaic at the Vatican grottos.  This was common in early Christian iconography.



    Church commonly appropriated varous pagan symbolism to displace the pagan meaning and substitute them with a Christian one.  This is one of the chief complaints of the Prots against the Catholic Church, that it became paganized.

    https://catholicunderthehood.com/2016/03/11/328-a-history-of-the-catholic-church-sol-invictus/
    The link you provided only shows that one example, claiming it is Jesus and provides many links to coins with the Roman sun god Sol Invictus and Apollo.

    I can't find any other depictions of Jesus as the Sol Invictus.

    There seems to be dispute over whether that depiction in the tomb is of Jesus or of Helios, the Roman Sun God also known as Apollo or Mithras and more.



    The popularly named "Tomb of the Julii" (Mausoleum "M") survives in the Vatican Necropolis beneath St. Peter's Basilica. The serendipitous discovery near the crypt has a vaulted ceiling bearing a mosaic depicting Helios (Roman Sol Invictus) with an aureole riding in his chariot, within a framing of rinceaux of vine leaves. The mosaic is dated to the late 3rd century to early 4th century. Other mosaics in this tomb depicting Jonah and the whale, the good shepherd carrying a lamb (the kriophoros motif), and fishermen have encouraged its interpretation as a Christian tomb.

    This tomb was first discovered in 1574 AD when workmen accidentally broke through the ceiling while conducting some floor alterations in the basilica. The inside was briefly explored and docuмented before the opening was sealed over once more.[1]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_the_Julii

    And here
    The charioteer in the mosaic of Mausoleum M has been interpreted by some as Christ. Clement of Alexandria had spoken of Christ driving his chariot across the sky.[54] This interpretation is doubted by others: "Only the cross-shaped nimbus makes the Christian significance apparent",[55] and the figure is seen by some simply as a representation of the Sun with no explicit religious reference whatever, pagan or Christian.[56][11]: 567–578 

    For more the Cult of Sol Invictus see the rest of this article:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus



    So it appears that St Clement spoke of Christ and His chariot in the sky, but that is different from calling Jesus the Sol Invictus.

    It's also different from depicting Jesus as the center of the Heliocentric model with earth revolving around the sun and the earth spinning on the axis of the cross.

    I've never heard of that before.  Have you?

    Do you know of any saints or Church Fathers or popes that call Jesus the Sol Invictus?  

    Do you know of any who have depicted Jesus as the heliocentric sun with the earth rotating around him and spinning on the cross?

    Is that found in Tradition?


    Anyway, the contemporary understanding of Sol Invictus seems to be that he is Lucifer:



    THE IMAGE OF THE BEAST

    In Luciferian circles,. Lucifer is the Sol Invictus, in direct competition to the Son of GOD, Jesus. Christ. ~The Church Age. BABYLONIA. MEDO-PERSIA. GRECIA.


    Wishing Lucifer/Sol Invictus a happy Birthday on this ... - Reddit
    Dec 21, 2021 — The world has been covered in darkness but starting today, we will see the return of Sol InvictusLucifer, the Bringer of Light, ...
    How to celebrate Sol Invictus? : r/SatanicTemple_Reddit
    Oct 31, 2021
    Sol invictus? : r/SatanicTemple_Reddit
    Nov 30, 2020
    Lucifer and Sol Invictus : r/LuciferianWitchcraft - Reddit
    Nov 27, 2019
    Happy Sol Invictus! : r/Satan - Reddit
    Dec 23, 2021
    More results from www.reddit.com





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    Re: Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast
    « Reply #40 on: October 21, 2022, 01:29:09 PM »
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  • The link you provided only shows that one example, claiming it is Jesus and provides many links to coins with the Roman sun god Sol Invictus and Apollo.

    I can't find any other depictions of Jesus as the Sol Invictus.

    There seems to be dispute over whether that depiction in the tomb is of Jesus or of Helios, the Roman Sun God also known as Apollo or Mithras and more.



    The popularly named "Tomb of the Julii" (Mausoleum "M") survives in the Vatican Necropolis beneath St. Peter's Basilica. The serendipitous discovery near the crypt has a vaulted ceiling bearing a mosaic depicting Helios (Roman Sol Invictus) with an aureole riding in his chariot, within a framing of rinceaux of vine leaves. The mosaic is dated to the late 3rd century to early 4th century. Other mosaics in this tomb depicting Jonah and the whale, the good shepherd carrying a lamb (the kriophoros motif), and fishermen have encouraged its interpretation as a Christian tomb.

    This tomb was first discovered in 1574 AD when workmen accidentally broke through the ceiling while conducting some floor alterations in the basilica. The inside was briefly explored and docuмented before the opening was sealed over once more.[1]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_the_Julii

    And here
    The charioteer in the mosaic of Mausoleum M has been interpreted by some as Christ. Clement of Alexandria had spoken of Christ driving his chariot across the sky.[54] This interpretation is doubted by others: "Only the cross-shaped nimbus makes the Christian significance apparent",[55] and the figure is seen by some simply as a representation of the Sun with no explicit religious reference whatever, pagan or Christian.[56][11]: 567–578 

    For more the Cult of Sol Invictus see the rest of this article:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus



    So it appears that St Clement spoke of Christ and His chariot in the sky, but that is different from calling Jesus the Sol Invictus.

    It's also different from depicting Jesus as the center of the Heliocentric model with earth revolving around the sun and the earth spinning on the axis of the cross.

    I've never heard of that before.  Have you?

    Do you know of any saints or Church Fathers or popes that call Jesus the Sol Invictus? 

    Do you know of any who have depicted Jesus as the heliocentric sun with the earth rotating around him and spinning on the cross?

    Is that found in Tradition?


    Anyway, the contemporary understanding of Sol Invictus seems to be that he is Lucifer:



    THE IMAGE OF THE BEAST

    In Luciferian circles,. Lucifer is the Sol Invictus, in direct competition to the Son of GOD, Jesus. Christ. ~The Church Age. BABYLONIA. MEDO-PERSIA. GRECIA.


    Wishing Lucifer/Sol Invictus a happy Birthday on this ... - Reddit
    Dec 21, 2021 — The world has been covered in darkness but starting today, we will see the return of Sol Invictus, Lucifer, the Bringer of Light, ...
    How to celebrate Sol Invictus? : r/SatanicTemple_Reddit
    Oct 31, 2021
    Sol invictus? : r/SatanicTemple_Reddit
    Nov 30, 2020
    Lucifer and Sol Invictus : r/LuciferianWitchcraft - Reddit
    Nov 27, 2019
    Happy Sol Invictus! : r/Satan - Reddit
    Dec 23, 2021
    More results from www.reddit.com



    Sorry, the formatting was wonky so I'm reposting:




    The link you provided only shows that one example, claiming it is Jesus and provides many links to coins with the Roman sun god Sol Invictus and Apollo.

    I can't find any other depictions of Jesus as the Sol Invictus.

    There seems to be dispute over whether that depiction in the tomb is of Jesus or of Helios, the Roman Sun God also known as Apollo or Mithras and more.



    The popularly named "Tomb of the Julii" (Mausoleum "M") survives in the Vatican Necropolis beneath St. Peter's Basilica. The serendipitous discovery near the crypt has a vaulted ceiling bearing a mosaic depicting Helios (Roman Sol Invictus) with an aureole riding in his chariot, within a framing of rinceaux of vine leaves. The mosaic is dated to the late 3rd century to early 4th century. Other mosaics in this tomb depicting Jonah and the whale, the good shepherd carrying a lamb (the kriophoros motif), and fishermen have encouraged its interpretation as a Christian tomb.

    This tomb was first discovered in 1574 AD when workmen accidentally broke through the ceiling while conducting some floor alterations in the basilica. The inside was briefly explored and docuмented before the opening was sealed over once more.[1]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_the_Julii

    And here
    The charioteer in the mosaic of Mausoleum M has been interpreted by some as Christ. Clement of Alexandria had spoken of Christ driving his chariot across the sky.[54] This interpretation is doubted by others: "Only the cross-shaped nimbus makes the Christian significance apparent",[55] and the figure is seen by some simply as a representation of the Sun with no explicit religious reference whatever, pagan or Christian.[56][11]: 567–578 

    For more the Cult of Sol Invictus see the rest of this article:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus



    So it appears that St Clement spoke of Christ and His chariot in the sky, but that is different from calling Jesus the Sol Invictus.


    It's also different from depicting Jesus as Vigano does as the center of the Heliocentric model with earth revolving around the sun and the earth spinning on the axis of the cross.

    Here is his quote again:


    Quote
    "we must see in that shining sun the unconquered Sun, Our Lord Jesus Christ, center of the cosmos created by Him omnia per ipsum facta sunt, et sine ipso factum est nihil quod factum est (Jn 1:3), and even more the center of the Redemption that sets the axis of the Earth to rotate around the Cross: stat Crux, dum volvitur orbis."


    I've never heard of that before.  Have you?

    Do you know of any saints or Church Fathers or popes that call Jesus the Sol Invictus? 

    Do you know of any who have depicted Jesus as the heliocentric sun with the earth rotating around him and spinning on the cross?

    Is that found in Tradition?


    Anyway, the contemporary understanding of Sol Invictus seems to be that he is Lucifer:




    THE IMAGE OF THE BEAST
    nebula.wsimg.com
    In Luciferian circles,. Lucifer is the Sol Invictus, in direct competition to the Son of GOD, Jesus. Christ. ~The Church Age. BABYLONIA. MEDO-PERSIA. GRECIA.


    Wishing Lucifer/Sol Invictus a happy Birthday on this ... - Reddit
    Dec 21, 2021 — The world has been covered in darkness but starting today, we will see the return of Sol Invictus, Lucifer, the Bringer of Light, ...
    How to celebrate Sol Invictus? : r/SatanicTemple_Reddit
    Oct 31, 2021
    Sol invictus? : r/SatanicTemple_Reddit
    Nov 30, 2020
    Lucifer and Sol Invictus : r/LuciferianWitchcraft - Reddit
    Nov 27, 2019
    Happy Sol Invictus! : r/Satan - Reddit
    Dec 23, 2021
    More results from www.reddit.com

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    Re: Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast
    « Reply #41 on: October 21, 2022, 01:46:14 PM »
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    The link you provided only shows that one example, claiming it is Jesus and provides many links to coins with the Roman sun god Sol Invictus and Apollo.

    I can't find any other depictions of Jesus as the Sol Invictus.

    There seems to be dispute over whether that depiction in the tomb is of Jesus or of Helios, the Roman Sun God also known as Apollo or Mithras and more.



    The popularly named "Tomb of the Julii" (Mausoleum "M") survives in the Vatican Necropolis beneath St. Peter's Basilica. The serendipitous discovery near the crypt has a vaulted ceiling bearing a mosaic depicting Helios (Roman Sol Invictus) with an aureole riding in his chariot, within a framing of rinceaux of vine leaves. The mosaic is dated to the late 3rd century to early 4th century. Other mosaics in this tomb depicting Jonah and the whale, the good shepherd carrying a lamb (the kriophoros motif), and fishermen have encouraged its interpretation as a Christian tomb.

    This tomb was first discovered in 1574 AD when workmen accidentally broke through the ceiling while conducting some floor alterations in the basilica. The inside was briefly explored and docuмented before the opening was sealed over once more.[1]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_the_Julii

    And here
    The charioteer in the mosaic of Mausoleum M has been interpreted by some as Christ. Clement of Alexandria had spoken of Christ driving his chariot across the sky.[54] This interpretation is doubted by others: "Only the cross-shaped nimbus makes the Christian significance apparent",[55] and the figure is seen by some simply as a representation of the Sun with no explicit religious reference whatever, pagan or Christian.[56][11]: 567–578 

    For more the Cult of Sol Invictus see the rest of this article:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus



    So it appears that St Clement spoke of Christ and His chariot in the sky, but that is different from calling Jesus the Sol Invictus.


    It's also different from depicting Jesus as Vigano does as the center of the Heliocentric model with earth revolving around the sun and the earth spinning on the axis of the cross.

    Here is his quote again:


    I've never heard of that before.  Have you?

    Do you know of any saints or Church Fathers or popes that call Jesus the Sol Invictus? 

    Do you know of any who have depicted Jesus as the heliocentric sun with the earth rotating around him and spinning on the cross?

    Is that found in Tradition?


    Anyway, the contemporary understanding of Sol Invictus seems to be that he is Lucifer:




    THE IMAGE OF THE BEAST
    nebula.wsimg.com
    In Luciferian circles,. Lucifer is the Sol Invictus, in direct competition to the Son of GOD, Jesus. Christ. ~The Church Age. BABYLONIA. MEDO-PERSIA. GRECIA.


    Wishing Lucifer/Sol Invictus a happy Birthday on this ... - Reddit
    Dec 21, 2021 — The world has been covered in darkness but starting today, we will see the return of Sol Invictus, Lucifer, the Bringer of Light, ...
    How to celebrate Sol Invictus? : r/SatanicTemple_Reddit
    Oct 31, 2021
    Sol invictus? : r/SatanicTemple_Reddit
    Nov 30, 2020
    Lucifer and Sol Invictus : r/LuciferianWitchcraft - Reddit
    Nov 27, 2019
    Happy Sol Invictus! : r/Satan - Reddit
    Dec 23, 2021
    More results from www.reddit.com


    The Carthusians' Motto is:

    stat Crux, dum volvitur orbis."


    And of course Mary replaced the pagan goddesses that pre-figured her and Christmas can be seen as a replacement for the celebration of the Sol Invictus.

    Still, we don't call Mary by those pagan goddess names, and Christmas is not a celebration of Heliocentrism.
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast
    « Reply #42 on: November 09, 2022, 08:41:21 PM »
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  • The link you provided only shows that one example, claiming it is Jesus and provides many links to coins with the Roman sun god Sol Invictus and Apollo.

    I can't find any other depictions of Jesus as the Sol Invictus.

    There seems to be dispute over whether that depiction in the tomb is of Jesus or of Helios, the Roman Sun God also known as Apollo or Mithras and more.



    The popularly named "Tomb of the Julii" (Mausoleum "M") survives in the Vatican Necropolis beneath St. Peter's Basilica. The serendipitous discovery near the crypt has a vaulted ceiling bearing a mosaic depicting Helios (Roman Sol Invictus) with an aureole riding in his chariot, within a framing of rinceaux of vine leaves. The mosaic is dated to the late 3rd century to early 4th century. Other mosaics in this tomb depicting Jonah and the whale, the good shepherd carrying a lamb (the kriophoros motif), and fishermen have encouraged its interpretation as a Christian tomb.

    This tomb was first discovered in 1574 AD when workmen accidentally broke through the ceiling while conducting some floor alterations in the basilica. The inside was briefly explored and docuмented before the opening was sealed over once more.[1]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_the_Julii

    And here
    The charioteer in the mosaic of Mausoleum M has been interpreted by some as Christ. Clement of Alexandria had spoken of Christ driving his chariot across the sky.[54] This interpretation is doubted by others: "Only the cross-shaped nimbus makes the Christian significance apparent",[55] and the figure is seen by some simply as a representation of the Sun with no explicit religious reference whatever, pagan or Christian.[56][11]: 567–578 

    For more the Cult of Sol Invictus see the rest of this article:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus



    So it appears that St Clement spoke of Christ and His chariot in the sky, but that is different from calling Jesus the Sol Invictus.

    It's also different from depicting Jesus as the center of the Heliocentric model with earth revolving around the sun and the earth spinning on the axis of the cross.

    I've never heard of that before.  Have you?

    Do you know of any saints or Church Fathers or popes that call Jesus the Sol Invictus? 

    Do you know of any who have depicted Jesus as the heliocentric sun with the earth rotating around him and spinning on the cross?

    Is that found in Tradition?


    Anyway, the contemporary understanding of Sol Invictus seems to be that he is Lucifer:



    THE IMAGE OF THE BEAST

    In Luciferian circles,. Lucifer is the Sol Invictus, in direct competition to the Son of GOD, Jesus. Christ. ~The Church Age. BABYLONIA. MEDO-PERSIA. GRECIA.


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    Why would Vigano reference Heliocentrism which the Church condemned?

    Why would Vigano use such a loaded term as Sol Invictus?

    Freemasons and those who practice Kabbalah

    worship the sun god

    Sol Invictus.

    Luciferians celebrate Sol Invictus Day.

    Freemasons even name lodges after him:






    Grand Lodge of Royal Art Study

    @mlsarGrandLodge

    Grand Lodge: the bilingual lodge Sol Invictus, No 13 has two new members.
    #Freemasons #FɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყToday #FreemasonFriday #Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ #freemasons #freemason #masoniclodges #masonic #masons #scottishrite #francmasoneria #masoneria






    https://twitter.com/mlsargrandlodge/status/1057191457868693506
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast
    « Reply #43 on: November 10, 2022, 04:20:16 AM »
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  • This!

    Instead of looking for a hero on the world stage to bring us

    "peace and security"

    people should be in sackcloth and ashes right about now.
    How do wear we sackcloth and ashes? 


    Maybe this is to weed us out.  Maybe 4 years of Trump was an experiment about how far they could get and to arrest the “trouble makers”.  Many average people and leadership were arrested  for that staged event in DC. as a warning to the rest.  The republicans did nothing.  Department of communist injustice went after Americans but couldn’t go after communist looters, burners and rapists.  Then Trumps family turn on daddy Trump because ivanka Is WEF and west besties with satanic church young woman who wished them a happy new year. 





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    Re: Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast
    « Reply #44 on: November 10, 2022, 05:09:44 AM »
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  • How do wear we sackcloth and ashes? 


    Do penance. 

    Pray for Freemasons and transgenders and Jews etc.

    Do corporal and spiritual works of mercy.

    Forget about elections and politics.

    Think local.

    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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