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Author Topic: Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast  (Read 5951 times)

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Re: Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast
« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2022, 01:03:21 PM »
"I disagree with +Vigano in his assessment of Trump." should suffice.

One could say similar things about other Traditional Catholics:
"I disagree with +Lefebvre on EENS."
"I disagree with +Williamson on Valtorta and Garabandal and his view of the NOM."
"I disagree with SSPV about withholding Communion from those who assist at CMRI Masses."

This degree of contempt and derision is completely unjustified and uncharitable.
Perhaps that's because he is looked upon by some as the one who will save the Church.  It goes both ways.

Re: Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast
« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2022, 01:03:51 PM »
Here's Christ as Sol Invictus in a ceiling Mosaic at the Vatican grottos.  This was common in early Christian iconography.




Thanks.  From what I can find it doesn't appear to be common but there are one or two examples.

Are there any examples of popes or saints referring to Jesus as the Sol Invictus?



Re: Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast
« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2022, 01:20:36 PM »
Yes, that is possible.  It could be a problem with the English translation.
Yes. No one ever answered my question yesterday "Who translated this?"
I'm guessing it was de Lugo since the link in his OP is to the Italian.
In fact, using different search engines, no where can I find this online in English.

Re: Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast
« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2022, 07:46:43 PM »
Traditional Catholics generally are well aware of the Jєωιѕн/ʝʊdɛօ-masonic conspiracy, including their means and methods. I fail to see how treating public persons in the same manner as a private person is either reasonable or prudent. An ex-KGB politician, retired Conciliar "Archbishop", or actors/entertainers in Jєωιѕн industries already give reason to express reservations without being uncharitable. Charity also requires the love of truth.

Notorious for “outing” the Jєωs in their H0L0H0AX lies,
a traditional Catholic Bishop named Richard Williamson referenced the “Jєωs” (5) x’s in his last EC posted on this forum.

Outing the Jєωs is charity. 

Keeping silent about them is the false-charity of a consiliar Catholic.

Re: Msgr. Vigano's Shotgun Blast
« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2022, 07:59:45 PM »
Perhaps you could also take it up with Our Blessed Mother for using the term "errors of Russia" without any mention of the Jєωs behind it.  She mentions or alludes to "Russia" many times without once using the word "Jєω".

Sure, +Vigano would persuade many people toward Traditional Catholicism by going off on a 5-paragraph rant about Jєωs in every speech and letter of his.  Those who are aware of the Jєω conspiracy don't need more than an oblique allusion to it.  Those who are not aware of it would be turned off by a "raving lunatic" spouting off about Jєωs.

Just wondering.  Have you guys every heard about this mysterious virtue called "prudence"?  Look it up.  It's generally considered the "mother" of all virtues, the one which weighs the pros and cons, and the consequences of each exercise of the other virtues.  Yet I'm sure that some of you clowns would consider it a virtue to get in some ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ's face and berate them constantly, "You filthy sodomite." ... as if that kind of behavior will cause you to win their conversion.  No, it only makes you feel superior in your own tiny minds.

One example comes from St. Thomas.  While it's a virtue to rebuke the sinner, St. Thomas holds that not only is it not obligatory IF someone in prudence judges that it would do no good, but it could even be a vice to rebuke someone IF prudence suggests that the rebuke would only cause them to become more hardened in their sin.  That is because the END or the GOAL of rebuking the sinner is to win their conversion.  So in some cases, the material act of rebuking the sinner actually militates against the true formal end of the act, thereby making it a vice against charity rather than a virtue, by accomplishing the exact opposite of the rationale for its being a virtue.

You guys are really terrible and won't accept any correction on this matter whatsover.  Take 5 seconds to think what would happen (clearly +Vigano did) if +Vigano was constantly spoutinig off about the "Jєωs".  Sure, you clowns would fist-bump each other and celebrate, but you already are "convinced" and it would be just preaching to the choir.  Now imagine you're a conservative Novus Ordite programmed by Jєω conditioning so that you would consider this Anti-Semitic.  You would be much less receptive to what he has to say about Vatican II, Modernist, Bergoglio, etc.  Is it more important for someone's salvation to believe that V2 and the NOM are bad (Traditional Catholicism good) or to believe that the Jєωs run the world?

Also, take 5 seconds to think what would have happened had +Vigano written a 10-paragraph condemation of Trump.  +Vigano is a good judge of character, and he realizes that Trump has a yuge (yet fragile) ego and that any such criticism would simply cause Trump to lash out and dig his heels in, whereas the flattery (with carefully-chosen words that did not endorse or justify the bad things he's done) would elicit a positive reaction.  Trump ended up proudly re-tweeting the latter.  In it, +Vigano said that he "dared hope" that Trump was on the side of good, admitting that he wasn't certain of it, but attempting to elicit whatever good might lurk somewhere inside that (dark, evil) heart of his.

You guys think it's a major virtue on your part as you thump your chest acting like bigshots (while condemning those who do not follow suit and do likewise) and excoriate the Jєωs anonymously on a relatively-minor website.

This is both arrogant and idiotic.

Lads, you’ve become the forum’s Golem monster 👹 

We have to suffer your endless, posts and none may give you a down-vote for being such a bore.

You function as Cathinfo’s de facto chat monitor.

Beware, for as with Ignis Ardens, the first sign of a forum’s demise is when the bully monitors arise.