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Offline Barry

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Mr. Bergozeebub, your cloven hooves are showing ...
« on: November 08, 2023, 02:38:31 PM »
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  • https://returntotradition.org/unofficial-full-english-translation-of-francis-revolutionary-motu-proprio-ad-theologiam-promovendam-plus-breaking-news-report-on-text/

    I thought this was a spoof when I first saw it!  I kept checking to see if it were, but it seems to be legit.  Mind you, the English translation is unofficial, so maybe it actually is a spoof, otherwise:

    Una cuм antichriste nostro?


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    9. Faced with this renewed mission of theology, the Pontifical Academy of Theology is called to develop, in its constant attention to the scientific nature of theological reflection, transdisciplinary dialogue with other scientific, philosophical, humanistic and artistic knowledge, with believers and non-believers, with men and women of different Christian denominations and different religions. This will be able to happen by creating an academic community of shared faith and study that weaves a network of relationships with other formative, educational and cultural institutions and is able to penetrate, with originality and a spirit of imagination, into the existential places of the elaboration of knowledge, professions and Christian communities.


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    Re: Mr. Bergozeebub, your cloven hooves are showing ...
    « Reply #1 on: November 09, 2023, 07:00:47 AM »
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  • More info on this, the forming of the One World Church:

    https://novusordowatch.org/2023/11/francis-issues-disastrous-motu-proprio-theological-revolution/

    Funny, I couldn't find anything about it at sspx.org, dici.org, or fsspx.news.  Isn't the (attempted) final destruction of the Catholic Church of any interest to them?  Or, by their silence, are they going to be part of it?

    For real Catholics, however, it's fairly simple.  The Conciliar Church (the term Archbishop LeFebvre came up with) is NOT the Catholic Church.  The Catholic Church is separate from the Conciliar Church, and cannot, will not be destroyed as the Conciliar Church morphs into the One World Church.


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    Re: Mr. Bergozeebub, your cloven hooves are showing ...
    « Reply #2 on: November 09, 2023, 07:26:30 AM »
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  • ...The Conciliar Church (the term Archbishop LeFebvre came up with)...

    For the record, the term came initially from Bishop Giovanni Benelli.  He used the term in a letter written on behalf of Pope Paul VI to Archbishop Lefebvre on June 25, 1976.  When Archbishop Lefebvre subsequently used the term, he even referred to it as " the Conciliar Church, as H. E. Mgr. Benelli himself calls it in his last letter..."

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    Re: Mr. Bergozeebub, your cloven hooves are showing ...
    « Reply #3 on: November 09, 2023, 10:16:14 AM »
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  • While Bergoglio is certainly a heretic and the Conciliar Church is not the Catholic Church, all the statement is saying in the OP is that they should work with non-believers where it comes to the natural sciences ... though the expression "believers or non-believers" was superfluous and typical of the Vatican PC.

    There are much worse things Bergoglio has done.

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    Re: Mr. Bergozeebub, your cloven hooves are showing ...
    « Reply #4 on: November 09, 2023, 11:13:38 AM »
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  • Actually, the whole docuмent is dealing with moving to a new theology, not just talking to non-believers about science.  The push is not about science - it's about theology.  A new theology.  Reading further we see:


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    4. Theological reflection is therefore called to a turning point, to a paradigm shift, to a “courageous cultural revolution” (Encyclical Letter Laudato si’, 114) that commits it, first and foremost, to be a fundamentally contextual theology, capable of reading and interpreting the Gospel in the conditions in which men and women daily live, in different geographical, social and cultural environments, and having as its archetype the Incarnation of the eternal Logos, its entering into the culture, worldview, and religious tradition of a people. From here, theology cannot but develop into a culture of dialogue and encounter between different traditions and different knowledge, between different Christian denominations and different religions, openly confronting everyone, believers and non-believers alike. Indeed, the need for dialogue is intrinsic to human beings and to the whole of creation, and it is the particular task of theology to discover “the Trinitarian imprint that makes the cosmos in which we live ‘a web of relationships’ in which ‘it is proper to every living being to tend toward another thing'” (Apostolic Constitution Veritatis gaudium, Proem, 4a).


    It is classic Modernism, as described in Pascendi.  Theology is to be recast in terms of experience, including that of non-believers (ie, atheists, pagans, etc).  We've seen this already in the Amazonian Synod, where pagans and idol worshippers were consulted in order to teach us what to believe.  And now the emerging Amazonian Mass and Amazonian (no, not Ambrosian) Rite .