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More evidence of lunar landing hoax
« on: July 27, 2018, 05:46:32 PM »
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    Re: More evidence of lunar landing hoax
    « Reply #1 on: July 27, 2018, 06:32:12 PM »
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    The large rock or boulder at 3:48 in the distance looks an awful lot like the big rock that two astronauts ran up to in one of the missions, not sure which one, maybe Apollo 15. They had thought the rock was not so far away and about the size of a car, but when the astronauts ran up to it, they kept running and running. They took a long time and rock kept getting bigger as they kept on running, so when they finally arrived it was the size of a house and the men at Houston were shown being amazed that the rock was in fact so much bigger than they had thought it would be. 
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    The discrepancy in size of distant objects comes up in this video too, when the rover appears to be larger than the LEM. 
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    BTW what was the purpose of zipping around with the rover, it looks like they're playing in the desert with no objective in mind. Didn't they have a lot of experiments to work on? How would they have time to waste playing 4-wheeling? 
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    Re: More evidence of lunar landing hoax
    « Reply #2 on: July 28, 2018, 01:26:38 AM »
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    Re: More evidence of lunar landing hoax
    « Reply #3 on: July 29, 2018, 06:01:53 AM »
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    Maybe if you learn some actual history it would help.
    Unless it's the dark caves of suspicion and intrigue that's your comfort zone.
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    This video is now 6 years old, but it touches on a key moment in the long list of rocket science hard facts.

    Do you know what the RD-180 is? (literally:  РД-180, Ракетный Двигатель-180)  Here's a hint: It's not urban legend or conspiracy theory. 
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    One of the 1,000+ comments, from a month ago (second one, Odysseus Rex) by mid 2020s we'll be back on the moon:
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    Both the Soviets and the Americans made amazing strides in rocket science. Quit looking at it as us versus them. Let's try to cooperate and make even greater strides in the future.

    Odysseus Rex  1 month ago
    It was us vs them. Now it's SpaceX vs Blue Origin, with maybe China in the mix.
    Russia is stuck in a fifty year old paradigm which works for them, but fundamentally just keeps putting them further and further behind. Soon the United States will once again have a manned space capability, at least two, maybe three or four platforms. None of them as good as the Space Shuttle, but all far superior to the Soyuz.
    In four or five years we will have true spaceships again, with SpaceX's BFRs that will be far beyond the Space Shuttles. By the mid 2020s we will be back on the Moon, perhaps the Chinese will too, and the Russians will still be flying their Soyuz's, only without us as a customer.
    If they want to put a cosmonaut on the Moon, they will have to buy a ticket on a BFR, or whatever the Chinese might be flying. It's unfortunate, but that is the case because Putin is playing a game that does not involve advancing Russian spaceflight capability.

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    Re: More evidence of lunar landing hoax
    « Reply #4 on: August 06, 2018, 12:20:54 AM »
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  • I have a question regarding this topic. In 1970 our school was visited by 2-3 men-in-black types who gave us a talk about the moon-landing, astronauts, etc. They gave each of us a packet of a dozen 9 x 12 photo reproductions of the landing, the rover, the module. I still have it. I am wondering if these handouts were nationwide? I was in Florida. I have never come across anyone who received such a packet. It has made me wonder if it was propaganda, to instill in the minds of children that they really did land on the moon.


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    Re: More evidence of lunar landing hoax
    « Reply #5 on: August 06, 2018, 12:35:38 AM »
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  • I have a question regarding this topic. In 1970 our school was visited by 2-3 men-in-black types who gave us a talk about the moon-landing, astronauts, etc. They gave each of us a packet of a dozen 9 x 12 photo reproductions of the landing, the rover, the module. I still have it. I am wondering if these handouts were nationwide? I was in Florida. I have never come across anyone who received such a packet. It has made me wonder if it was propaganda, to instill in the minds of children that they really did land on the moon.

    They sent pieces of rock "from the moon" to many nations. (A museum in the Netherlands found rests of plastic in their sample, not so many years ago). When I was a child, the Apollo 11 capsule was exhibited in Europe. We were even allowed to touch it and look inside. Well, I don't remember exactly, maybe not allowed, however not inhibited.

    There was massive propaganda around the world. Imagine: Even evil Sowjet space travel success was promoted in western media.
    Men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple ... Jerome points this out. (St. Robert Bellarmine)

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    Re: More evidence of lunar landing hoax
    « Reply #6 on: August 06, 2018, 02:09:10 AM »
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  • I have a question regarding this topic. In 1970 our school was visited by 2-3 men-in-black types who gave us a talk about the moon-landing, astronauts, etc. They gave each of us a packet of a dozen 9 x 12 photo reproductions of the landing, the rover, the module. I still have it. I am wondering if these handouts were nationwide? I was in Florida. I have never come across anyone who received such a packet. It has made me wonder if it was propaganda, to instill in the minds of children that they really did land on the moon.
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    If I were you, I'd hang on to those and keep them protected.  They might be worth something. I've never heard of it. 
    Too bad you don't have photos of the "men in black" with your classmates or teacher. 
    Are you sure they were not 8 x 10? That's a much more common format compared to 9 x 12.
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    Re: More evidence of lunar landing hoax
    « Reply #7 on: August 06, 2018, 02:30:22 AM »
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    Russia is stuck in a fifty year-old paradigm which works for them, but fundamentally just keeps putting them further and further behind. Soon the United States will once again have a manned space capability, at least two, maybe three or four platforms. None of them as good as the Space Shuttle, but all far superior to the Soyuz

    In four or five years we will have true spaceships again, with SpaceX's BFRs that will be far beyond the Space Shuttles. By the mid 2020s we will be back on the Moon, perhaps the Chinese will too, and the Russians will still be flying their Soyuz's, only without us as a customer. 
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    Anyone who wants to know what super high-class accommodations would be in outer space compared to what will actually happen, just go check out what the B-52 bomber crews of 6 men had for the comforts of home on their extremely "long" flights. They had to remain airborne for 8 hours or more, sometimes 48 hours straight, with in-flight re-fuelings every so often. 
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    They had ONE cushion bunk wedged between some equipment, which they took turns using, so it was a "hot" bunk (when you get in it, the thing is still warm from the last man to sleep there). They had an airline oven in the wall that heated up something like TV dinners which they had to keep frozen in a small freezer on board. It was basically life on an airline but no stewardess to help out, you're on your own. 
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    That's like the Ritz compared to space flight. In outer space, the on-board equipment recycles water from everything, washing dishes, washing clothes, sponging off surfaces, bathing, and of course, urine. The purified water that results is used for drinking. Repeat. Virtually NO water is expelled from the space ship because water is something that is extremely precious in outer space. There is no gravity in space, so everything floats around, like when you throw up or have uncontrolled bleeding or digestive irregularity (diarrhea). There is no window to open for fresh air. You have to rely on the ship's power systems to artificially freshen the air -- not a great option.
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    Perhaps the most dangerous thing in outer space is an astronaut who goes crazy from the confinement or from foul odors - he might go on a rampage, attacking other crewmen or else try to escape the ship and leave the door open. 
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    Re: More evidence of lunar landing hoax
    « Reply #8 on: August 08, 2018, 04:45:10 PM »
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    Perhaps the character of astronauts, if carefully protected by the media and by NASA, has something to do with it?
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    COULD one of the not-so-widely-publicized criteria for what constitutes "The Right Stuff" be the ability to keep a big fat secret?
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    Here is a 7-page series of articles that might explode the myth of the high caliber of people astronauts are made out to be....
    That is, at least SOME of them, but not all...........
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    RESPECTED ASTRONAUTS WHO WERE AWFUL PEOPLE
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    Astronauts are the pillars of American society, chosen for their dangerous and noble profession on account of their intelligence, physical stamina, outstanding moral character, and exceptionally close-cropped hair. Astronauts can do no wrong, at least not where the public can see them. Where the public can't see them, they can (and sometimes do) do plenty of wrong, and even modern astronauts sometimes screw up in big ways, not just because of making poor choices but because of their exceedingly awful personalities.
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    We're not saying that awful personalities go with the job — more than 300 people have served as U.S. astronauts, and many of them have upheld the model-citizen image that NASA has always wanted them to have. But in every profession, there are always a few outliers, and some of them have been pretty exceptionally nasty. So if you were an astronaut-loving kid or you're an adult who still thinks all astronauts can do no wrong, and knowing the truth might permanently wreck your worldview, we've got a nice article about cats you can read instead. Otherwise, prepare to be more selective in choosing your personal heroes.
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    Re: More evidence of lunar landing hoax
    « Reply #9 on: August 08, 2018, 07:30:21 PM »
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    Who could forget Lisa Nowak, respected astronaut, Naval Academy graduate, test pilot, decorated Navy veteran, and aeronautical and astronautical engineer, who put on a diaper and drove 950 miles to confront a romantic rival in an airport parking lot. According to the New York Times, Nowak insisted she only meant to "talk" to the woman, even though she wore a disguise and sprayed pepper spray into her rival's cracked window.

    Nowak was a married mother of three who was sort of but not quite romantically involved with fellow astronaut William Oefelein, who was definitely romantically involved with Air Force Captain Colleen Shipman. Her family members said she'd recently separated from her husband and had clearly just cracked under the stress.

    Officials planned to charge Nowak with attempted murder, but the charges were downgraded to attempted kidnapping, burglary, and misdemeanor battery on account of the fact that people don't usually commit murder with pepper spray. In November 2010 she pleaded guilty to felony burglary and misdemeanor battery, which gave her the noble distinction of being the first astronaut ever convicted of a felony. She was sentenced to a year of supervised probation, but she was also discharged from the Navy, downgraded from captain to commander, and her service record got an "other than honorable" label. Probably nothing is quite as long-lasting as a legacy of wearing diapers on a long road trip so you can pepper spray someone in an airport, but there you go.

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    Re: More evidence of lunar landing hoax
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    Duane Graveline had the right stuff — he was a pioneer in the field of space medicine, he was super smart, he was handsome, and he was married. Things were looking good when he joined NASA's fourth set of astronauts in 1965, but just two months after that he resigned for "personal reasons." It was pretty clear, though, that the "personal reasons" that led him to abandon America's most coveted profession were more important to NASA than they were to him.

    A month before "his" decision, Graveline's wife Carole Jane filed for divorce, citing his "violent and ungovernable outbursts of temper." NASA wasn't cool* with that kind of scandal, so they pressured him for his resignation — according to The New York Times, he'd never even had a chance to wear a space suit. Boo hoo.

    Graveline's bad behavior continued long after his resignation, so it turns out NASA did the right thing. He was married six times and settled into a 20-year career as a family practice doctor, but in 1987 his license was suspended after a whole lot of Demerol mysteriously vanished under his watch. Graveline managed to get his license back two years later, but in 1994 it was revoked permanently after he was accused of sɛҳuąƖly abusing five children. Graveline died in 2016 with the noble distinction of having the shortest-lived tenure of any astronaut in NASA's history.

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    *NASA wasn't cool ----- Try to find any other astronauts who would be "cool" with trusting their lives to a man known for "violent and ungovernable outbursts of temper." Not a good trait to bring into a confined space ship with no atmosphere outside.
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    Re: More evidence of lunar landing hoax
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    Four months before he was chosen to be an astronaut, Gordon Cooper was happily splitting his time between his work and his affair with a married woman when his wife Trudy declared she'd had enough and walked out on him after 12 years of marriage. As he watched her go, his hopes of seeing the Earth from a Mercury capsule went with her — almost.

    Trudy moved away with their two daughters, but pretty soon Cooper was begging her to come back, not because he really loved and missed her, but because NASA expected him to be a family man. 

    In The Astronaut Wives Club, Lily Koppel speculated that Trudy returned so her daughters could benefit from their father's fame, or maybe it was the $70,000 fee they would get for a Life magazine profile. At any rate, the couple stayed married until just before Cooper retired in 1970, when it no longer mattered if he had a wife.

    Some of Cooper's other actions while he was an astronaut weren't exactly honest, either. While on the Faith 7 flight in 1963, he found evidence of possibly-treasure-laden sunken ships, which he failed to disclose to anyone until decades later, when a treasure hunter turned his maps into a 2017 reality television show. It turns out he was pretty good at spotting shipwrecks from space — the first five of the 100 sites he'd identified were confirmed shipwrecks, with more to follow.

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    Re: More evidence of lunar landing hoax
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    After it became crystal clear that NASA wasn't going to tolerate any marital strife in the ranks, there were a lot of astronauts who became nervous that their wives were going to end their careers, but not nervous enough to do anything so outrageous as, you know, not cheating on them anymore. According to The Telegraph, Alan Shepard, the first American in space, was also an extra-brazen cheater — so much so that his wife Louise earned the nickname "Saint Louise" for her ability to smile and look the other way. Together with fellow astronauts Pete Conrad and Dick Gordon (nicknamed the "Go-Go Crew" because their indiscretions were so adorable), Shepard cruised around in a gold Corvette and pranced around with "multiple women hanging off his arm."

    At one point there was actual photographic evidence of Shepard's indiscretions — he'd been caught at swingers' parties and once picked up a lady of the night at the Mexican border while traveling with NASA on official business. Astronaut John Glenn got the unsavory job of talking the press out of breaking the story, so the whole stupid mess never impacted Shepard's career, and his wife stayed with him anyway, telling friends she remained loyal because "I'm the one he really loves." Incidentally, Louise and Alan Shepard's marriage was one of only seven marriages that survived among the early astronauts.

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    Re: More evidence of lunar landing hoax
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    Man-on-the-moon Buzz Aldrin was famously unemotional, which simultaneously made him both a great astronaut and a terrible husband. According to The Astronaut Wives Club, in 1966 he gave his wife a pet monkey to replace one that had recently died, but this one was, shall we say, not as nice as the first. It would mock her, bare its teeth, and make obscene gestures, until finally she said: "It's either the monkey or me. Somebody's leaving." And her husband reportedly gave her a look that said, "What are you waiting for?"

    Aldrin's take on the monkey was significantly different than his wife's. "Other pastimes and hobbies I had chosen provided nowhere near the diversion [the monkey] offered," he wrote in his memoir Return to Earth. "Joan realized this and tolerated him accordingly." Because clearly it was her wifely duty to let an obnoxious, smelly primate treat her like a second-class citizen.

    It got worse after Aldrin's famous Moon landing. When he returned, he fell into depression, took up drinking, and had a bunch of affairs. Joan divorced him in 1974. Years later, he sued two of his children for misusing his legacy for "their own self-dealing and enrichment," and for "slander" for suggesting that he might be suffering from "cognitive decline." Who was on the right side of the argument is up for debate, but the whole mess still says a lot about his reputation as a cold-hearted dude.

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    Re: More evidence of lunar landing hoax
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    Womanizing was a popular pastime for the early astronauts. According to Gerard Degroot's Dark Side of the Moon, Gus Grissom once told a reporter that he was jealous of bugs that could mate in midair because "they do the two things I like best in life … and they do them at the same time." He didn't seem to have his wife in mind for that particular fantasy, though. One astronaut legend had him leaving a party so he could take his wife to the airport, meeting another woman while he was there, and then bringing her back to the party. This was after his wife had worked night shifts as a telephone operator for years to help put her husband through engineering school.

    Gus Grissom died in an Apollo launchpad fire in 1967, after taking some flak for a Mercury mishap in which his capsule's hatch blew open prematurely, resulting in the whole thing sinking to the bottom of the ocean, where it remained for 38 years. We don't generally like to criticize people who die in the service of their country, especially when that death is horrible, so maybe we won't go so far as to say that Gus Grissom was awful, just that he sometimes behaved in an awful way.

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