Author Topic: Morality in Economics (Read 1598 times)

Traditional Guy 20 · « **on:** October 04, 2013, 10:57:15 PM »

You know one is quite shocked about how those on the "Right" will blab on and on about morality when it comes to the social issues like being against abortion, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, pornography, premarital sex, prostitution, gambling, etc. (for the record I am also socially conservative) but believe in no morality when it comes to economics, instead favoring the unbridled markets, the unbridled business, and the degredation of the working man.

One is quite shocked about how those on the Right will support corporations over small business, support business wanting women workers over women staying at home, will support "what's good for business" over what is good for a living wage so that workers will live decently, talk about unregulated capitalism that will lead to all sorts of immorality, will support feminism and Hollywood, will support immigration for business, will support free trade over protectionism and nationalising businesses, etc.

It seems the Right will only support morality when it comes to social issues and even then they are pathetic. There is definitely a better way than this stupid capitalist/Communist paradigm everyone throws around.

Marlelar · « **Reply #1 on:** October 04, 2013, 11:59:08 PM »

I think it is because they are all globalists. Left and right are two sides of the same coin. The globalist coin.

The name of the game is Control and they will use whatever verbiage they think will get the most underlings to follow them.

Marsha

JPaul · « **Reply #2 on:** October 05, 2013, 08:46:32 AM »

Quote from: Marlelar

I think it is because they are all globalists. Left and right are two sides of the same coin. The globalist coin.

The name of the game is Control and they will use whatever verbiage they think will get the most underlings to follow them.

Marsha

You are right on point. Globalists, otherwise known as Internationalists.
We all know or should know, where and from whom internationalism issues forth. A people who have no national loyalties to any country in which they live but only a devotion and loyalty to their own ethnic brethren. They live and exist as an international entity and have gained inordinate influence over the monetary and moral standards of most of the western world. They equally support the different political entities and have thereby gained control and established homogeneity among them. They are indeed the same.
Does anyone have to wonder why there is no moral component to the world financial institutions and networks? Such institutions which hold sway over, determine the government policies and financial structure of individual nations.

Most of our populations have been well conditioned to be interested in particular moral outrages while at the same time being blind to other evils of financial chicanery.

It is all part of the plan.

Spork · « **Reply #3 on:** October 05, 2013, 11:37:56 AM »

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

You know one is quite shocked about how those on the "Right" will blab on and on about morality when it comes to the social issues like being against abortion, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, pornography, premarital sex, prostitution, gambling, etc.

Most "conservatives", i.e. the average Republican Party über alles members do not care about these issues. They themselves are willing and active participants in these evils.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 05, 2013, 11:40:51 AM »

Quote from: Spork

Most "conservatives", i.e. the average Republican Party über alles members do not care about these issues. They themselves are willing and active participants in these evils.

Very true. I mentioned in my OP that they're cowards when it comes to the social issues.

Jerry · « **Reply #5 on:** October 05, 2013, 11:54:38 AM »

These issues are also used to continue the illusion that there is a difference between the parties.

Initially, those issues served to weaken our society and create a division within it. Those favoring abberent behavior were manipulated by the far left as Marx described them as 'useful idiots'.

Presently, there really is no conservative voice, social or economic. Conservatism has been redefined to a neo-con left. Consider the two previous Republican presidential candidates. Both had well established voting and policy records of supporting leftist causes. AS they were given upwards of 700 million in the last election, they were able to redefine themselves to an ignorant electorate. It is amazing how people believe the same lies election after election. Most pathetic are the promises of reducing spending and placing a conservative on SCOTUS.

If people ignored the speeches and examined only the policies, and voting record of the candidate we would be far better off. Thanks to SCOTUS we really can't see where their campaign contributions are coming from.

poche · « **Reply #6 on:** October 05, 2013, 10:43:34 PM »

I think we should start by studying Rerum Novarum

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 18, 2013, 09:36:21 AM »

Quote from: Jerry

Initially, those issues served to weaken our society and create a division within it. Those favoring abberent behavior were manipulated by the farleft as Marx described them as 'useful idiots'.

Your average neoconservative and libertarian, the most common elements on the 'Right' these days, are completely indifferent to the social issues or are socially liberal. This can go all the way back to the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism which bragged about its ability to indoctrinate the youth with rejecting the ideals and values of the 'patriarchal, racist and capitalist world.'

Mabel · « **Reply #8 on:** October 18, 2013, 11:15:11 AM »

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

You know one is quite shocked about how those on the "Right" will blab on and on about morality when it comes to the social issues like being against abortion, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, pornography, premarital sex, prostitution, gambling, etc. (for the record I am also socially conservative) but believe in no morality when it comes to economics, instead favoring the unbridled markets, the unbridled business, and the degredation of the working man.

One is quite shocked about how those on the Right will support corporations over small business, support business wanting women workers over women staying at home, will support "what's good for business" over what is good for a living wage so that workers will live decently, talk about unregulated capitalism that will lead to all sorts of immorality, will support feminism and Hollywood, will support immigration for business, will support free trade over protectionism and nationalising businesses, etc.

It seems the Right will only support morality when it comes to social issues and even then they are pathetic. There is definitely a better way than this stupid capitalist/Communist paradigm everyone throws around.

You know I have thought about the same things. I was looking up one thing one day and ended up reading most of the section on moral theology, economics, and the role of government. It made me realize that I need to be re-trained in the way that I view these things, that most mainstream American political thought, libertarian and Ron Paul types included, is totally opposed in many points to the teachings of the moralists.

One of the things mentioned is that the state has the right (option) to limit wealth and income, and should not promote avarice. I think a Protestant Republican would die of shock if he heard that.

Someone should really make a nice pamphlet up for Traditionalists on some of these issues. I've heard too many people yell at other traditional Catholics for having nine kids and using food stamps. My understanding is that the Church teaches that the state may choose to use taxes and other revenue to help the poor.

Just some thoughts. Good topic.

Frances · « **Reply #9 on:** October 18, 2013, 04:04:18 PM »

:really-mad2:
There is a family of 11 whose father had a stroke and is on disability. I could barely contain my anger when I overheard a conversation after Mass between three women condemning them for using SNAP! (Food Stamps) These are the very people our tax dollars should be helping! If they wanted to be consistent, then Mr. S. should not receive disability, either! In an ideal world where Christ is given His proper place as King, there would be no need for either disability or food stamps, but until then, how dare we be so lacking in charity and call ourselves Catholic?

Spork · « **Reply #10 on:** October 19, 2013, 12:48:30 AM »

When they are at it again, and they will be, be sure to give them an itemized list of things needed that they can go buy for the family. Each week.

poche · « **Reply #11 on:** October 20, 2013, 02:04:33 AM »

Here is morality in economics according to St James;

1 Come now, you rich, weep and wail over your impending miseries. 2 Your wealth has rotted away, your clothes have become moth-eaten, 3 your gold and silver have corroded, and that corrosion will be a testimony against you; it will devour your flesh like a fire. You have stored up treasure for the last days. 4 Behold, the wages you withheld from the workers who harvested your fields are crying aloud, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. 5 You have lived on earth in luxury and pleasure; you have fattened your hearts for the day of slaughter. 6
You have condemned; you have murdered the righteous one; he offers you no resistance. 7 Be patient, therefore, brothers, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, being patient with it until it receives the early and the late rains. 8 You too must be patient. Make your hearts firm, because the coming of the Lord is at hand. 9 Do not complain, brothers, about one another, that you may not be judged. Behold, the Judge is standing before the gates. 10 Take as an example of hardship and patience, brothers, the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord. 11 Indeed we call blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of the perseverance of Job, and you have seen the purpose of the Lord, because "the Lord is compassionate and merciful." 12 But above all, my brothers, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath, but let your "Yes" mean "Yes" and your "No" mean "No," that you may not incur condemnation. 13 Is anyone among you suffering? He should pray. Is anyone in good spirits? He should sing praise. 14 Is anyone among you sick? 6 He should summon the presbyters of the church, and they should pray over him and anoint (him) with oil in the name of the Lord, 15 and the prayer of faith will save the sick person, and the Lord will raise him up. If he has committed any sins, he will be forgiven. 16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful. 17 Elijah was a human being like us; yet he prayed earnestly that it might not rain, and for three years and six months it did not rain upon the land. 18 Then he prayed again, and the sky gave rain and the earth produced its fruit. 19 My brothers, if anyone among you should stray from the truth and someone bring him back, 20 he should know that whoever brings back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__P11Z.HTM

Mabel · « **Reply #12 on:** October 20, 2013, 11:13:02 AM »

Quote from: Spork

When they are at it again, and they will be, be sure to give them an itemized list of things needed that they can go buy for the family. Each week.

They can also shell over some money for the electric bill, washing machine repair, and for detergents when they get on their high horse about using cloth diapers like their mothers did. Or in the case of some poor families, money for the laundromat and gas to get there. Plus a baby sitter for the children that can't fit in the car while mom is at the laundromat and dad is working.