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Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
« Reply #185 on: July 23, 2019, 02:06:08 PM »
No, Apollo 11 was the first attempt to land on the moon, transmit live 2-way video to/from the landing site, and re-launch the men back to earth. Complete success on the 1st try. Nothing went wrong!
Apollo 11 had several things go wrong, actually. A few of them (I think the first two are reasonably well-known):
- Armstrong nearly ran out of fuel trying to land in a safe spot. When they landed, they had about 25 seconds of fuel left to decide to abort landing. [That had a little more fuel than 25 seconds, but protocol said it was unsafe to abort landing once it got to that point, so they would have been committed to landing or crashing]

- in maneuvering to get out of the LM, the astronauts broke the switch to arm the launch engine. They used a pen to start it

- the LM overshot the planned landing location on the moon and was coming up on a place that wasn't safe to land (which is why they nearly ran out of fuel getting to a safer place)

- there was an ice blockage in one of the LM fuel lines, which built up pressure and could have exploded. It went away and NASA thinks waste heat from the landing engines melted it.

- the astronauts had trouble opening the door to get out of the LM. They partly disassembled the door. Had they broken the pressure seal, they would have been forced to stay in their pressure suits the rest of the mission.

- before reentry, the service module (which didn't have a heat shield) was separated from the command module (which did) and was supposed to go far away from the CM. It didn't. The SM was close to the CM on reentry, breaking into pieces that could have hit the CM.

The latter problem also occurred with Apollo 12. And I've already alluded to another problem on the launch of Apollo 12, which was hit by lightning causing all sorts of lights and alarms to go off. The engineer in charge of power systems suggested "try SEC to AUX", which stopped the alarms, and then mission control figured out what else was wrong. If this had not worked, they would probably have stopped that mission in earth orbit.

And Apollo 13 had an oxygen tank explosion. That was a rather big problem.

How difficult would it be to launch a military satellite into lunar orbit to unequivocally photograph ... the lunar surface specifically of all the alleged or real landing sights?
The NASA lunar reconnaissance orbiter has done something like this. In 2011, NASA changed the LRO orbit so the low point of its orbit was only about 13 miles from the surface, and got images of some of the Apollo sites from that altitude. That's about double the altitude of a commercial flight on earth. Here are some links:
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/apollo-sites.html
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/posts/379
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/images/videos

Here's a 90 second video from that first link:
I think the images with sliders are also interesting.

The second link says that at that altitude, one pixel in the narrow angle camera represents about 0.5 meters (1.5 feet) and images can be resampled (a kind of image enhancement) to 0.25 meters.

They can tell that all but one of the flags are still casting shadows. One was knocked over by the LM ascent. The shadows change direction as the moon orbits over a monthly cycle, which makes them easier to identify:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-19050795

A probe from India in 2009 took pictures of the lunar rover tracks for Apollo 15. It didn't have the resolution of the LRO and the tracks are not as well resolved.
https://gizmodo.com/indian-probe-takes-clear-photo-of-apollo-15-hopefully-5352410

Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
« Reply #186 on: July 23, 2019, 02:56:30 PM »
Wayne Gretzky's score count was not an order of magnitude higher than other professional hockey players.

If most players get in the 10-20 range of goals per season, and Gretzky got 1,000 or 10,000 goals in a season -- then we'd be talking!

Do you understand the phrase "order of magnitude"?


Low Earth Orbit: 100–1,240 miles
Distance to Moon: 238,900 mi
I think you're rather ignoring the fact that there's nothing interesting between the atmosphere and the Moon that we'd want to go to, or indeed no other point that we could land on so as to turn the rocket back around. 

Consider this: Supposing you live out in the country. The nearest village to you is 5 minutes away, and after that the closest city is two hours away away. Normally the village shops are enough for your needs, so that's where you go every day. One day you need to go to the city to get something you can't get in the village. You could have an entire month of 5 minute data points, then suddenly a 120 minute data point, and then back to 5 minute data points.

Could end up with:
1. 5
2. 5
3. 5
4. 5
5. 5
6. 120
7. 5
8. 5

That's one single day where you travelled 24 times farther than you did on any other day. By your logic, we should reject this data point as it's such an outlier. But there's a very sensible reason for it. You never travelled 10 or 30 or 70 minutes because you'd reach nothing but fields and open road in that timespan. 5 minutes gets you to a place you want to be, and 120 minutes does too, but anything in between leaves you in the middle of nowhere. Just like how 1,200 miles leads them to where they want to be, the atmosphere, and 238,900 miles brings them to a place they want to be, the Moon. Between 1,200 miles and 238,900 miles - there's nothing but empty space, just like the open roads you'd find between the village and the city. It'd make no sense to travel 5,000 miles and end up in the middle of empty space, just as it'd make no sense for you to travel 40 minutes and end up on an empty stretch of road.


Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
« Reply #187 on: July 23, 2019, 04:05:05 PM »


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I'm legitimately curious as to why you think we shouldn't believe in the moon landings. At least in your next post take a moment to answer that question for me.  


 
I am focused more on why I don’t believe the moon landing than why others shouldn’t. Let others believe as they will.
As for a number of reasons, basically off the top of my head, why I believe the moon landings never occurred, they are listed below, in no particular order.

 
>Video footage seems clearly to show that the US flag is waving in the breeze. No amount of explanation for this from NASA has ever satisfied me.

>We see a supposed moon landscape, rugged moutains and hills in the background, a lunar landing module in the foreground. That exact same landscape is superimposed, feature for feature, on another photo. But in this photo there is no vehicle. We know that they couldn’t move the vehicle. So how did this happen?

> No sign of a blast crater from the alleged descent of a LEM on the moon’s surface does not encourage belief, especially in light of the reported fact that the surface is covered with thick powdery dust, and we are told that the LEM engine produced at least 10,000 lbs of thrust. There should be a crater, not to mention a layer of dust over at least the bottom portion of the LEM, including the landing pads. But we see nothing

>In that regard, the supposed footprints of astronauts on a surface bereft of the tiniest amount of moisture. How do clear footprints survive? Try creating a clear visible footprint on a dry sandy beach.

>How does an astronaut snap clearly framed pictures in a bulky space suit with a Hasselblad camara mounted on his chest? Even the inventor of that camera was scratching his head over that one.

>Back to the LEM: Neil Armstrong almost got killed testing one in California a year before Apollo 11. Raw footage of that event is readily available, showing the craft crashing and bursting into flame. Yet we are to believe a year later that all the problems were ironed out, and that 6 successful landings occurred on the moon’s surface thereafter.

>There is only one light source on the moon’s surface, viz. The sun. Yet many alleged photos on the moon show multiple light sources, whose shadows to off at various angles from the objects casting them. Impossible.

>How can an astronaut descending to the moon’s surface from a LEM be so perfectly lit up and photographed when the his surroundings are plunged in the shadows of the very LEM he is exiting?

> How do astronauts survive the 250 degree heat during moon-day, and minus 250 degree cold during moon-night, in relatively flimsy suits with inadequate cooling and equally inadequate warming features?

> What is more, how do astronauts survive on a surface being constantly bombarded by micro meteorites. The earth is protected from this bombardment, because we have an atmosphere in which they burn up before reaching the earth’s surface. No so on the moon.

>How do astronauts survive passing through the Van Allen belt unscathed by dense, lethal radiation in that region? Not just once but a collective total of 12 time. Not one of them suffered from any kind of radiation sickness, much less cancer thereafter. This in light of the fact that numbers of scientists and astrophysicists have expressed grave doubt that such a positive outcome might occur. Even current NASA astonauts like Terry Virsts admit that we do not have the ability presently to pass above earth’s orbit. The Orion project, he says, will do it one day in the future, but not now.

>Why is the moon’s alleged horizon so black. It should be blanketed with myriads of stars and galaxies, not to mention to clear views of planets in our solar system.

> How could astronauts have communicated so clearly and noiselessly with ground control, when the noise level of the propulsion engine, a few feet away, directly below them, was reported to have been totally deafening?

 
>Gus Grissom complained that they couldn’t even communicate between bldgs. on the ground of the space center. How, he wondered, could they ever do it successfully from deep space?
Grissom was highly critical of the whole Apollo, program. He hung a lemon on the front of his test module just to illustrate his misgivings. He met an untimely death, as we know. Was it just an accident? His widow and family didn’t think so.

>At least 10 astronauts have died in their early sixties from causes ranging from heart attacks to cancer. I thought these guys were the most fit men among us. Strange

>Commander James Irwin had a sudden heart attack just after he had decided, (apparently), to come clean with his own story. He contacted moon landing denier, Bill Kaysing, in 1961, and asked the former to call him at his home, because, he felt his phone line might be bugged. Kaysing did contact him and arranged for a meeting. Irwin, alas, died suddenly a few days later before ever meeting Kaysing. He was 61.

>A NASA inspector named Tom Baron compiled a 500 page report on the Apollo Project. It was highly critical of the way the project was being run. He detailed facts about employee incompetence, drunkenness, poor workmanship, carelessness, lack of proper safety, etc. Baron was called to testify before a Congressional Committee in 1966(?). A week later he was dead, along with his wife and step-daughter. They were hit in their car by a train, it is reported. No autopsy was conducted. The bodies were immediately cremated in violation of Florida law. The 500 page report went missing and has never been recovered.

>An commercial airline pilot calls Bill Kaysing just about the time one of the returning landing modules set down in the ocean in 1970(?) He reports seeing a C5 cargo plane dropping what looked like an Apollo space capsule into the ocean. This was during a routine flight to Japan. The pilot did not identify himself, because he feared the loss of his job.

 
I could go on, but that should be enough for the time being. We really just scratched the surface.I repeat, the supposed moon landings were fake,IMO The entities who want to keep the facts from coming out are sinister liars. But they occupy very high places in our government, and maybe others. This ruthless power elite doesn’t hesitate to get people out of the way who threaten to expose their lies. They don’t want the Americans to know that 30 to 40 billion of taxpayer dollars was spent wastefully and fraudulently just to prove that the US could go ahead of the Soviets in the space race of the sixties and 70s.


 

Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
« Reply #188 on: July 23, 2019, 07:46:16 PM »
5MO7, there is a worse argument than those.  The idea that the astronauts acted suspiciously, that they wouldn’t swear they were telling the truth, that they were “deer in the headlights”, etc.  Those arguments are so pitiful and even sinful (calumny, detraction) that Catholics should be ashamed to even mention them.

Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
« Reply #189 on: July 23, 2019, 08:25:24 PM »
5MO7, there is a worse argument than those.  The idea that the astronauts acted suspiciously, that they wouldn’t swear they were telling the truth, that they were “deer in the headlights”, etc.  Those arguments are so pitiful and even sinful (calumny, detraction) that Catholics should be ashamed to even mention them.
I agree with you 100%