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Offline rum

Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
« Reply #55 on: May 17, 2018, 02:13:58 PM »
Probably one of the most glaring issues with the moon landings is the use of wires to lift the astronuts after tripping, or to recover them from a fall.  This 2 minute video shows many such occurrences to the point of embarrassment for NASA.  And the lyrics of the song fit perfectly with this compilation of official NASA video.    
I'll read up on this issue. What do you think about the suggestion here that the footage that shows what can be interpreted as wires is actually the antennae on their backpacks reflecting?

Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
« Reply #56 on: May 17, 2018, 04:36:47 PM »
I'll read up on this issue. What do you think about the suggestion here that the footage that shows what can be interpreted as wires is actually the antennae on their backpacks reflecting?
I'm not sure how one can blame the camera or angle of the camera, or quality of the video for guys clearly picked up by less than unnatural forces.  I appreciate your desire to hold the line regarding what you believe, but the video is pretty telling.  It's more about them hanging mid-air as they get up than it is about visual dynamics.  Back when they took the footage we might have been fooled, or missed stuff, but looking again, it doesn't hold up anymore.  


Offline rum

Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
« Reply #57 on: May 17, 2018, 05:45:59 PM »
I'm not sure how one can blame the camera or angle of the camera, or quality of the video for guys clearly picked up by less than unnatural forces.  I appreciate your desire to hold the line regarding what you believe, but the video is pretty telling.  It's more about them hanging mid-air as they get up than it is about visual dynamics.  Back when they took the footage we might have been fooled, or missed stuff, but looking again, it doesn't hold up anymore.  

I just read through this earlier thread about the moon landing being a hoax, on which I'd forgotten I participated (as hatchc): https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/we-never-landed-on-the-moon/

I pick up a theme from that thread (and other threads I've read over the years on this topic) that is the reason I started this thread. There's lots of speculation on this thread, and on that thread. The tendency toward speculation suggests a lack of anything tangible on which to hang this claim. And a lack of science credentials, which I also lack. It's not hubristic to speculate whether or not the moon landings happened, but if you have a shoddy foundation it's hubristic to say with certainty they didn't happen. Instead of being content to speculation everyone on this thread is stating the moon landings being a hoax is fact.

On that earlier thread JohnGrey's posts are well worth reading, in that he points out basically the same thing, but does it better than I could. Matthew says in an earlier post that you need to have imagination. No thanks. I need no imagination to know the h0Ɩ0cαųst didn't happen, or that JFK wasn't murdered by a lone assassin, or that Jews run the West. I shouldn't need imagination to know the moon landings didn't happen. I don't have any vested interest in the moon landings being fact. Once you find out the h0Ɩ0cαųst is garbage, everything else is comparatively small-fry. If the landings didn't happen, they didn't happen. Fine with me.

Since none of you know they didn't happen, but just speculate that they didn't happen, I'll do some speculating. I speculate that the moon landing hoax is promoted by Jews.

There's plenty of mainstream Jєωιѕн news sources that advertise the moon landing hoax, only to lightheartedly mock it.



http://www.cc.com/video-clips/wsv00s/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-total-eclipse-of-the-truth

Incidentally I do find it interesting that the Jewy Bart Sibrel attended a Real History conference in 2002, and yet is fooled by something that is much easier to figure out:

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Some people try to deny the h0Ɩ0cαųst Sibrel said. 'There were 100 million witnesses to World War II . . . '"

Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
« Reply #58 on: May 18, 2018, 12:22:56 PM »
Thanks for the replies. I've seen the Bart Sibrel docuмentary a few times. I don't have an answer for that footage you mention. If the moon landings were faked why would they fake it 9 times? More funding? The Apollo astronauts would have to have been in on it, and yet they seem too low-level for the conspirators to trust them to not divulge things. They also must be master actors because I've seen many interviews with these astronauts and they seem honest. But perhaps I'm naive.

But to the question of the impossibility of humans surviving a pass throught the Van Allen Belts, is the following not a good explanation?
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I've read through this whole thread and found several references to the Bart Sibrel "docuмentary" (singular) and several questions about the Van Allen belts (plural).
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But Sibrel has published several "docuмentaries" (plural) and there are a lot more questions about the Van Allen belts.
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Here is a unique interview done by Sibrel, featuring perhaps the earliest Apollo-hoax author of them all, Bill Kaysing, who wrote a book in 1974 under contract with Price, Stern, Sloan: We Never Went to the Moon. (See minute 10:, 44: ) Apparently filmed in 1996 (see min. 49)
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Skip the first 2 minutes:

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This 1-hour interview was originally going to be included in Sibrel's "A Funny Thing Happened..." but was deleted out of time constraints. It seems odd that not even a few minutes of Kaysing were deemed relevant. Kaysing touches on many topics, most of which are not found otherwise here in this thread. I found it most interesting when he enumerates the conspicuously timed deaths of key witnesses in the years during and following Apollo. Kaysing himself died shortly after giving this interview.
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Regarding Matthew's concern that the distance to the moon is far and away another ball game compared to 100% of the rest of manned space flight missions, Kaysing is similarly concerned, but on a much broader scale. He says that in many categories the Apollo missions were off the charts in breaking all the reasonable limits of probability (80 systems, 6 times, without fail -- min. 55). He says that the data records for the Apollo missions are not classified information, but nonetheless, nobody can get access to them (see min. 34). For example, nobody is able to explain how the Lunar Excursion Module (LEM) was able to rendezvous with the Command Module after leaving the moon when the latter was orbiting (allegedly) the moon at a tremendously faster velocity. Yet this incredibly complicated maneuver was somehow performed FIRST TIME without a hitch, unrehearsed. There were MANY such first-time-unrehearsed successes in Apollo. The probability of all these things going right first time without any experience is very close to zero. But people believe it anyway.
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One college professor Sibrel quotes as saying that even if he (Sibrel) could get one astronaut to admit that the whole moon mission thing was a hoax, he still would think that it had been real.
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The data provided on the YouTube page for this video has the following:
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Bart Sibrel
Published on Apr 14, 2013
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Bart Sibrel's unedited, never before broadcast, interview with, now deceased, original moon landing hoax proponent and former contractor to NASA during the Apollo moon missions, Bill Kaysing. The interview was edited out of Sibrel's "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon" at the request of Fox Television to make the film fit into a one hour time slot.
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Mr. Kaysing discusses his first hand account of the incredible atmosphere of engineering ineptitude, on-the-job drunkenness, and endless insurmountable schedule slippages that were rampant in the program, dooming it to failure.  "The only way to make it, was to fake it", he said was the underground motto of the staff.
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Never before in all of recorded aviation has a flying machine worked on its first attempt, much less the most complicated one ever imagined, landing on another heavenly body on its maiden voyage, and returning roundtrip with a crew that lived to tell, all with 1960's technology. (More computing power today is found in a $10 watch).
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According Kaysing, a classified interdepartmental memo rated the odds of a successful and survivable manned lunar landing on its first attempt at one in ten thousand.  That is why the returning men of the mission looked so dejected rather than triumphant at their press conference, as they were blackmailed into lying about the alleged greatest accomplishment of mankind, to the detriment of their own souls.
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After all this, I still have unanswered questions about the alleged BATTERIES, and the alleged AIR CONDITIONING equipment.
Lead acid batteries were the only type in use at the time, but how do they work in a VACUUM? They would have to be dry cell batteries or else the electrolyte would boil off without ambient air pressure. So the lunar rover for example would have to be powered with something like a very long stack of nickle-cadmium D cells (that was the rechargeable variety of that time).
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Ask any air conditioning technician or engineer about how it works. You need to have a heat sink or an environment where you can dump the BTUs from the cooled volume. If you want to cool off a LEM or a space suit, you need a cooler place where the heat can be disposed of. On the sunlit surface of the moon the 250-degree environment has no such cool place where the heat can be dumped off. Plus, there is no air or atmosphere on the moon so no evaporator coil would have anything to cool it off, no matter how hot it gets. The only way to dispense with the heat would be by radiation like infrared radiation. It would require a refrigerant to be upwards of 300 degrees so it could lose heat in a 250-degree moon surface. No one has ever explained what refrigerant could be used that operates at 300 degrees F.

Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
« Reply #59 on: May 18, 2018, 12:49:29 PM »

There's plenty of mainstream Jєωιѕн news sources that advertise the moon landing hoax, only to lightheartedly mock it.



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