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Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
« on: May 13, 2018, 02:51:20 AM »
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  • I'm at a disadvantage in trying to determine whether or not the moon landings happened. Most of the arguments I've seen arguing in favor or against rely on the audience having scientific literacy. I have zilch. What are a few arguments that could be made to someone with no scientific literacy that the moon landings were fraudulent?
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    Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
    « Reply #1 on: May 14, 2018, 09:57:47 AM »
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  • I recommend watching Bart Sibrel's docuмentary " A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon."

    It has the "smoking gun" footage of the astronauts faking the ball earth image in the window.


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    Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
    « Reply #2 on: May 14, 2018, 10:18:39 AM »
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  • I recommend watching Bart Sibrel's docuмentary " A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon."

    It has the "smoking gun" footage of the astronauts faking the ball earth image in the window.

    Yeah, that's pretty good.

    I've seen a lot of evidence, plus a good dose of common sense, which has convinced me firmly that we never went to the Moon. There is a belt of radiation around the earth that, if passed through, is lethal to humans. That is why NORMAL, real, repeated, ongoing space exploration by NASA and every other space agency is 100% done in LOW EARTH ORBIT. Anything further out than that is ALWAYS (100%) done by machines.

    If someone submitted their morning weight for the past month and it looked like this:

    ...
    200
    201
    202
    201
    200
    10,500
    202
    201
    200
    ...

    What would you do with that "10,500" reading? Anyone with a brain, common sense, or training in Science or Statistics would tell you: you throw it out as an aberration. When you have a single datum which is ridiculously above the norm, and has never been even CLOSE TO repeated, you cast it out as an anomaly or an aberration.

    And my numbers are appropriate, too. Tooling around in Low Earth Orbit would be a 200, going to the Moon and back would be a 10,500. That's a pretty good proportion I think. If anything, that 2nd number should be larger!

    We have years of history to prove it now -- that the so-called moon landings in the early 1970's never happened. You're telling me NO OTHER COUNTRY has managed to go there in almost 50 years? There are a lot of advanced countries that should have the technology to do so (remember the Apollo computer was less powerful than most people's digital watches today). Russia, Japan, China, Europe just for starters.

    It was a huge fake, a psy-op. That's all it ever was. Oh, and of course the greatest and most successful hoax to ever be perpetrated.
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    Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
    « Reply #3 on: May 14, 2018, 11:54:35 AM »
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  • It was a huge fake, a psy-op. That's all it ever was. Oh, and of course the greatest and most successful hoax to ever be perpetrated.

    Aside from the h0Ɩ0h0αx.

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    Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
    « Reply #4 on: May 14, 2018, 11:59:41 AM »
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  • 1. Agreed. There have been many hoaxes perpetrated on the world, especially in the 20th Century alone. It's debatable which was the largest, most significant, most important, etc.

    2. Any discussion of Flat Earth MUST be taken to the designated subforum.
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    Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
    « Reply #5 on: May 14, 2018, 12:04:02 PM »
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  • I don't put it past the government to fake moon landings.  I see no reason to consider them honest and trustworthy.  So I find that sort of argument plausible.

    On the other hand, the argument which I find strongest in favour of the moon landings is the nature of the Cold War.  Because I am old enough to remember what it was like, I find it hard to hard to believe that the Soviets wouldn't have gotten hold of the evidence of fraud and exposed it.  The "space race" was a big deal and the Soviets had an effective spy system.  

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    Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
    « Reply #6 on: May 14, 2018, 12:08:22 PM »
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  • Any talk of going "back" to the Moon, or to Mars, is a huge joke. We haven't even left Low Earth Orbit yet!  

    Even if you take the leap of faith that we went to the Moon in 1969 and the early 70's, that would still be the equivalent of, "I know we've been staying in the wading/kiddie end of the pool for the last 50 years, but now we're proposing to swim across the Atlantic ocean -- and back!"

    How about you swim a few hundred feet first -- where your feet can't touch the bottom -- before you talk about swimming from New York to France and back!

    We don't have any human outposts, any human journeys, any ANYTHING further away than Low Earth Orbit. That is a fact. I'd rather talk about that, than talk about all the other proofs that the Moon Landings were a hoax.

    It's a law of experimental science, as well as Statistics, that when you have a far-and-above exception to 99% of the data, it must be considered an aberration to be dismissed. I didn't come up with this argument, but MAN is it rock-solid and the most compelling argument why the Moon Landings were a hoax. The truth of it resonated with me, and burrowed deep into my brain.
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    Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
    « Reply #7 on: May 14, 2018, 12:13:24 PM »
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  • Statistics, and data, just don't work this way:

    Fastest 100-meter dash:   1.5 seconds
    Second fastest 6.05 seconds
    Third fastest: 6.13 seconds
    Fourth fastest: 6.35 seconds
    ...
    etc.


    You NEVER, EVER have a datum "in a whole different league" than the runner-up and the 2nd runner-up. It just doesn't happen. If anyone wishes to prove me wrong I'm all ears!

    Or phone processors:

    Fastest 5,000 GHz
    2nd fastest: 1.8 GHz
    Third fastest: 1.7 GHz
    etc.
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    Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
    « Reply #8 on: May 14, 2018, 12:15:29 PM »
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  • Interesting graphic. Look at the bottom of the graphic, to see how far away the moon is.
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    Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
    « Reply #9 on: May 14, 2018, 12:18:13 PM »
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  • In other words, here is the data:

    Human Spaceflight Number, Distance from Earth Traveled
    1. 1,200 miles, USA
    2. 1,200 miles, Russia
    3. 1,100 miles, Russia
    4. 1,150 miles, USA
    (repeats like this, then...)
    450. (Moon Landing) 238,900 miles
    451. 1,200 miles, EU
    452. 1,175 miles, Japan
    453. 1,190 miles, China
    454. 1,170 miles, USA
    455. 1,160 miles, Russia
    (goes on like this, for the next 50 years!)

    See what I mean?
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    Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
    « Reply #10 on: May 14, 2018, 12:22:57 PM »
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  • In other words, here is the data:

    Human Spaceflight Number, Distance from Earth Traveled
    1. 1,200 miles, USA
    2. 1,200 miles, Russia
    3. 1,100 miles, Russia
    4. 1,150 miles, USA
    (repeats like this, then...)
    450. (Moon Landing) 238,900 miles
    451. 1,200 miles, EU
    452. 1,175 miles, Japan
    453. 1,190 miles, China
    454. 1,170 miles, USA
    455. 1,160 miles, Russia
    (goes on like this, for the next 50 years!)

    See what I mean?
     A lie investigated cannot hold out against the truth.  Dig a little get a lot. 


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    Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
    « Reply #11 on: May 14, 2018, 12:23:25 PM »
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  • I don't put it past the government to fake moon landings.  I see no reason to consider them honest and trustworthy.  So I find that sort of argument plausible.

    On the other hand, the argument which I find strongest in favour of the moon landings is the nature of the Cold War.  Because I am old enough to remember what it was like, I find it hard to hard to believe that the Soviets wouldn't have gotten hold of the evidence of fraud and exposed it.  The "space race" was a big deal and the Soviets had an effective spy system.  
    I don't have a good answer to that objection. But just because I don't know everything, especially secret deals made in dark rooms, terms of blackmail, and all the machinations of bad guys worldwide, doesn't mean I'm allowed to throw out the laws of Science and Statistics.

    If you can't reproduce an experiment, you throw it out. Aberrations from the norm must be dismissed.
    Maybe we'll know the answer to your question someday. Perhaps we'll never know. But what we DO know for sure is what I've stated above, about science and statistics.
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    Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
    « Reply #12 on: May 14, 2018, 12:35:52 PM »
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  • I don't have a good answer to that objection. But just because I don't know everything, especially secret deals made in dark rooms, terms of blackmail, and all the machinations of bad guys worldwide, doesn't mean I'm allowed to throw out the laws of Science and Statistics.

    If you can't reproduce an experiment, you throw it out. Aberrations from the norm must be dismissed.
    Maybe we'll know the answer to your question someday. Perhaps we'll never know. But what we DO know for sure is what I've stated above, about science and statistics.
    Consider the antarctic treaty of 1959.  Nearly all nations signed it, US and Russia, included.  And it remains to this day.  Why?  The banksters dictate.  And yes, that means on some upper level, the US and Russia have been on the same side.   

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    Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
    « Reply #13 on: May 14, 2018, 12:38:22 PM »
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  • Consider the antarctic treaty of 1959.  Nearly all nations signed it, US and Russia, included.  And it remains to this day.  Why?  The banksters dictate.  And yes, that means on some upper level, the US and Russia have been on the same side.  

    Exactly. I could accept that "there is an answer" to the mystery of why the US and Russia, apparent enemies, would have stayed silent about the Moon Landing Hoax. I might not know the particulars or the specifics, but it's REASONABLE to believe that there's a good explanation, but it's simply not within our grasp.

    However, I'm not going to believe something that violates common sense, or the laws of science and Reality in general (see my data lists above).
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    Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
    « Reply #14 on: May 14, 2018, 12:48:12 PM »
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  • Exactly. I could accept that "there is an answer" to the mystery of why the US and Russia, apparent enemies, would have stayed silent about the Moon Landing Hoax. I might not know the particulars or the specifics, but it's REASONABLE to believe that there's a good explanation, but it's simply not within our grasp.

    However, I'm not going to believe something that violates common sense, or the laws of science and Reality in general (see my data lists above).
    I agree that it is a reasonable approach, but, perhaps because my personal memories of the Cold War are so vivid, that argument casts enough doubt in my mind that I cannot commit to believing it is a hoax.  I am left not being prepared to argue either way on this issue.