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Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
« Reply #166 on: July 27, 2018, 01:16:42 PM »
In other words, here is the data:

Human Spaceflight Number, Distance from Earth Traveled
1. 1,200 miles, USA
2. 1,200 miles, Russia
3. 1,100 miles, Russia
4. 1,150 miles, USA
(repeats like this, then...)
450. (Moon Landing) 238,900 miles
451. 1,200 miles, EU
452. 1,175 miles, Japan
453. 1,190 miles, China
454. 1,170 miles, USA
455. 1,160 miles, Russia
(goes on like this, for the next 50 years!)

See what I mean?
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I’m not into NASA (nor sci-fi).  So all spaceflights except one supposed to the moon have been around 1.2k miles and that one was 238.9k miles?  That is bizarre.
I don’t fully believe the moon is that far away.  But in any event, I don’t believe we’ve ever been either.


Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
« Reply #167 on: July 27, 2018, 01:21:43 PM »
NASA certainly can't prove they went to the moon.

* Reuters: The original recordings of the first humans landing on the moon 40 years ago were erased and re-used NASA officials said on Thursday, July 16, 2009.

* NASA also admitted the Apollo 11 moon trip telecast in its raw format on telemetry data tape of the first Moon landing in 1969 was subsequently lost.

* NASA also says there are 600 boxes, weighing over one ton, of telemetry data missing from EVERY Apollo mission.


You're telling me no other country has managed to go there in almost 50 years?

Yes, I'm telling readers exactly that.

U.S.A.!  U.S.A.!  U.S.A.!

Here's wishing United-Statesian CathInfo members, readers, and of course its owner-moderator, a happy 50th anniversary [*] of the Landing on the Moon by the U.S. lunar-excursion-module Eagle of Apollo 11.

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Note *: The anniversary date of the landing as reckoned by Greenwich Time is July 20 (8:17 p.m.) but the 2 Moon-walking astronauts did set foot into lunar dust until nearly 3 a.m. July 21 GMT.  They did stay for 21½ hours after landing (these are corrections to my "50th Anniversary" posting misplaced late last night in <https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/we-never-went-to-the-moon-proof/>).  I regret that the anniversary hours have passed at the CathInfo server-bunker in the Central Daylight Time-Zone.  So I hope it was a happy anniversary for United-Statesians, one and all.

Sherlock's View/Re: Moon Landings--[O.P. Confesses] No Hard Science [...]
« Reply #169 on: July 21, 2019, 11:01:08 PM »

We have years of history to prove it now--that the so-called moon landings in the early 1970's never happened.

"Never".  Uh, huh.  Fascinating!


There are a lot of advanced countries that should have the technology to do so (remember the Apollo computer was less powerful than most people's digital watches today).

Arguing computing power can leave readers in the weeds in a way that's not all that different from "hard science": We can argue cycle-time, pipeline stages, cache, installable vs. installed memory, &c.

Notwithstanding the apple-Computer design philosophy that made Steve Wozniak a zillionaire recluse, one can't replace all hardware in any given project with microprocessors and software.  And one does need to arrange for all the software to be written (and tested and controlled).  To get 3 U.S. astronauts to the Moon--and "return them safely to Earth"--required lots of hardware, much of it ad hoc, and some of it just plain huge: The Saturn V with all its stages, plus the manned modules for the lunar landing, was 363 ft. tall.

Money is required not only to build the rockets and manned modules, but also their unit-testing, assembly, and launching sites.  As various U.S. national politicians were appalled to realize after Pres. John F. Kennedy caught the public imagination, the Moon Race cost a huge amount of money annually, peaking at $4.5G from the U.S. federal budget in 1966 (I infer multiplication by on the order of 6 for its equivalent ca. 2019: $27G).  Yet the 1st launch of a Saturn V wouldn't be until the next year (Nov. 1967).


Russia, Japan, China, Europe just for starters.

Let's appeal instead to literature: Arthur Conan Doyle's character Sherlock Holmes.  I've read that the crucial factors for him in investigations were "motivation" and "opportunity".

"Motivation" is similar to the Southern sporting notion of "want to",  which includes national budgetary priorities, which are political and social, and can also be military, e.g., reconstruction of civilian damage from war, subsidizing development of heavy industry, or stockpiling weapons.

"Opportunity" is similar to the notion of "can do",  including national prosperity or its absence, avoidance of war, or collective technological advancement, e.g., membership in the "1st World", possession of hard currency, and systematic international theft of superior technology.

Sooo, which of those countries or alliances had both the motivation and opportunity to send men or women to set foot on the Moon, given that the U.S.A. had already done so 6 times, hmmm?