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Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2018, 12:22:57 PM »
In other words, here is the data:

Human Spaceflight Number, Distance from Earth Traveled
1. 1,200 miles, USA
2. 1,200 miles, Russia
3. 1,100 miles, Russia
4. 1,150 miles, USA
(repeats like this, then...)
450. (Moon Landing) 238,900 miles
451. 1,200 miles, EU
452. 1,175 miles, Japan
453. 1,190 miles, China
454. 1,170 miles, USA
455. 1,160 miles, Russia
(goes on like this, for the next 50 years!)

See what I mean?
 A lie investigated cannot hold out against the truth.  Dig a little get a lot. 

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Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2018, 12:23:25 PM »
I don't put it past the government to fake moon landings.  I see no reason to consider them honest and trustworthy.  So I find that sort of argument plausible.

On the other hand, the argument which I find strongest in favour of the moon landings is the nature of the Cold War.  Because I am old enough to remember what it was like, I find it hard to hard to believe that the Soviets wouldn't have gotten hold of the evidence of fraud and exposed it.  The "space race" was a big deal and the Soviets had an effective spy system.  
I don't have a good answer to that objection. But just because I don't know everything, especially secret deals made in dark rooms, terms of blackmail, and all the machinations of bad guys worldwide, doesn't mean I'm allowed to throw out the laws of Science and Statistics.

If you can't reproduce an experiment, you throw it out. Aberrations from the norm must be dismissed.
Maybe we'll know the answer to your question someday. Perhaps we'll never know. But what we DO know for sure is what I've stated above, about science and statistics.


Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2018, 12:35:52 PM »
I don't have a good answer to that objection. But just because I don't know everything, especially secret deals made in dark rooms, terms of blackmail, and all the machinations of bad guys worldwide, doesn't mean I'm allowed to throw out the laws of Science and Statistics.

If you can't reproduce an experiment, you throw it out. Aberrations from the norm must be dismissed.
Maybe we'll know the answer to your question someday. Perhaps we'll never know. But what we DO know for sure is what I've stated above, about science and statistics.
Consider the antarctic treaty of 1959.  Nearly all nations signed it, US and Russia, included.  And it remains to this day.  Why?  The banksters dictate.  And yes, that means on some upper level, the US and Russia have been on the same side.   

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Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2018, 12:38:22 PM »
Consider the antarctic treaty of 1959.  Nearly all nations signed it, US and Russia, included.  And it remains to this day.  Why?  The banksters dictate.  And yes, that means on some upper level, the US and Russia have been on the same side.  

Exactly. I could accept that "there is an answer" to the mystery of why the US and Russia, apparent enemies, would have stayed silent about the Moon Landing Hoax. I might not know the particulars or the specifics, but it's REASONABLE to believe that there's a good explanation, but it's simply not within our grasp.

However, I'm not going to believe something that violates common sense, or the laws of science and Reality in general (see my data lists above).

Re: Moon Landings - No Hard Science Knowledge
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2018, 12:48:12 PM »
Exactly. I could accept that "there is an answer" to the mystery of why the US and Russia, apparent enemies, would have stayed silent about the Moon Landing Hoax. I might not know the particulars or the specifics, but it's REASONABLE to believe that there's a good explanation, but it's simply not within our grasp.

However, I'm not going to believe something that violates common sense, or the laws of science and Reality in general (see my data lists above).
I agree that it is a reasonable approach, but, perhaps because my personal memories of the Cold War are so vivid, that argument casts enough doubt in my mind that I cannot commit to believing it is a hoax.  I am left not being prepared to argue either way on this issue.