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Modern Science is Lying to Us
« on: November 10, 2016, 10:51:44 AM »
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  • Sixty-Seven Scriptural References
    Which Tell Us That It Is the Sun
    And Not the Earth That Moves




    Genesis 15:12...... "...and when the sun was going down..."

                  15:17..... "...when the sun went down..."

                  19:23..... "The sun was risen upon the earth."

                  28:11..... "...because the sun was set...."

                  32:31..... "...the sun rose...."

    Exodus 17:12..... "...until the going down of the sun...."

                 22:3...... "...if the sun be risen upon him...."

                 22:26.... "...the sun goeth down...."

    Leviticus 22:7...... "...And when the sun is down...."

    Numbers 2:3........ "...toward the rising of the sun...."

    Deuteronomy 11:30..... "...the way where the sun goeth down...."

                           16:6....... "...at the going down of the sun...."

                           23:11..... "...when the sun is down...."

                           24:13..... "...when the sun goeth down...."

                           24:15..... "...neither shall the sun go down...."

    Joshua 1:4..... "...the going down of the sun...."

                8:29... "...as soon as the sun was down...."

              10:12.. "...Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon...."

              10:13.. "...and the sun stood still...."

              10:27.. "...the time of the going down of the sun...."

              12:1.... "...toward the rising of the sun...."

    Judges 5:31.... "...as the sun when he goeth down...."

                8:13.... "...before the sun was up...."

                9:33.... "...as soon as the sun is up...."

              14:18.... "...before the sun went down...."

              19:14.... "...and the sun went down...."

    II Samuel 2:24.... "...the sun went down...."

                   3:35.... "...till the sun be down...."

                 23:4..... "...when the sun riseth...."

    I Kings 22:36.... "...the going down of the sun...."

    I Chronicles 16:30.... "...the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved...."

    II Chronicles 18:34.... "...time of the sun going down...."

    Job 9:7.... "...commandeth the sun and it riseth not...."

    Job 26:7.... "...He hangeth the earth upon nothing...."

    Psalm 19:4.... "...tabernacle for the sun...."

               19:5 ... "...cometh out to run...."

               19:6.... "...goes forth in a circle from one end of heaven to the other...."

               50:1.... "...from the rising of the sun...."

               93:1.... "...the world also is stablished that it cannot be moved...."

             104:19.. "...the sun knoweth his going down...."

             104:22.. "...the sun ariseth...."

             113:3.... "...from the rising of the sun...."

    Ecclesiastes 1:5.... "...The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down and hasteth to the place where he arose...."

    Isaiah 13:10.... "...sun shall be darkened in his going...."

               38:8...... "...is gone down on the sundial of Ahaz...."

               38:8...... "...so the sun returned...."

               41:25.... "...from the rising of the sun...."

               45:6...... "...from the rising of the sun...."

              59:19.... "...from the rising of the sun...."

              60:20.... "...the sun shall no more go down...."

    Jeremiah 15:9.... "...her sun is gone down while it was yet day...."

    Daniel 6:14.... "...going down of the sun...."

    Amos 8:9.... "...cause the sun to go down at noon...."

    Jonah 4:8.... "...when the sun did arise...."

    Micah 3:6.... "...and the sun shall go down...."

    Nahum 3:17.... "...when the sun ariseth...."

    Habakkuk 3:11.... "...the sun and moon stood still in their habitation...."

    Malachi 1:11.... "...from the rising of the sun...."

    Matthew 5:45.... "...for He maketh His sun to rise...."

                 13:6..... "...and when the sun was up...."

    Mark 1:32.... "...when the sun did set...."

             4:6...... "...when the sun was up...."

           16:2...... "...at the rising of the sun...."

    Luke 4:40.... "...when the sun was setting...."

    Ephesians 4:26.... "...let not the sun go down upon your wrath...."

    James 1:11.... "...for the sun is no sooner risen...."

     

    That is a Total of 67 Verses in 35 Books of the Bible Which Say that It Is the Sun that Moves and Not the Earth!

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    Here is the number of Verses and Books from the Bible Which Say that It Is the Earth that Moves and Not the Sun:  0


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    « Reply #1 on: November 10, 2016, 12:26:46 PM »
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  • The Bible is made up of books from a number of genres, but science is not one of them. Catholic have never taken the Bible purely literally. That's the influence of a particularly American bent of protestant fundamentalism.


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    Modern Science is Lying to Us
    « Reply #2 on: November 10, 2016, 12:34:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: compline
    The Bible is made up of books from a number of genres, but science is not one of them. Catholic have never taken the Bible purely literally. That's the influence of a particularly American bent of protestant fundamentalism.

    Do you believe in evolution then?
    R.I.P.
    Please pray for the repose of my soul.

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    « Reply #3 on: November 10, 2016, 01:39:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: compline
    The Bible is made up of books from a number of genres, but science is not one of them. Catholic have never taken the Bible purely literally. That's the influence of a particularly American bent of protestant fundamentalism.


    I cannot believe this was just written on a Catholic board.

    The Bible is literal. That is de fide.

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    « Reply #4 on: November 10, 2016, 01:53:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: compline
    The Bible is made up of books from a number of genres, but science is not one of them. Catholic have never taken the Bible purely literally. That's the influence of a particularly American bent of protestant fundamentalism.


    So, then - since you do not believe the Bible to be taken literally in meaning, this brings up a whole list of problems for you:

    Do you not believe the world will end? He has promised it does.

    Do you not believe He will remake the world with fire? He has promised He will.

    Do you not believe in the General Judgment? He has promised it will happen.

    Do you not believe you will die unless you eat His flesh and drink His blood? He has promised you will.

    Do you not believe He created the earth and all the creatures in it, and the sun, moon, and stars? He told you He did.

    Do you not believe He made the first man and woman and that we are descendents of them? He told you He did.

    Do you not believe the earth and mankind fell due to Adam's sin? He told you they did.

    Do you not believe He sent a Savior, Jesus Christ, to remedy the Fall? He promised it, and He did it.

    Do you not believe Jesus will return to judge the living and the dead? He promised He would.

    Do you not believe He previously punished the world and killed His creation, save 8 men, in the Great Flood? He told you He did.

    Do you not believe Him when he says the sun moves around the earth? He told you it does.

    It is all true - ALL of it. Not some of it. ALL OF IT.

    "I believe these and all the truths which the Holy Catholic Church teaches,
    because Thou hast revealed them,
    Who canst neither deceive, nor be deceived."



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    « Reply #5 on: November 10, 2016, 02:05:20 PM »
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  • To show the work of the weakening of this...

    1965 statement by Paul VI:

    http://www.cin.org/v2revel.html


    1994 statement by Ratzinger:

    http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/PBCINTER.HTM




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    « Reply #6 on: November 11, 2016, 10:42:28 AM »
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  • Quote from: mw2016
    To show the work of the weakening of this...

    1965 statement by Paul VI:

    http://www.cin.org/v2revel.html


    1994 statement by Ratzinger:

    http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/PBCINTER.HTM





    Thanks for these two important in-depth articles on the importance, veracity, and interpretation of scripture.  Here are a few more additions: St. Augustine's view of scripture and the perennial teaching of the Church regarding the firm foundation of earth and moving sun contrary to modern science.

    "Major est Scripturae auctoritas quam omnis humani ingenii capacitas." "Nothing is to be accepted save on the authority of Scripture, since greater is that authority than all the powers of the human mind." --St. Augustine, Commentary on the Book of Genesis


    Things to consider when reading the Fathers of the Church regarding the earth and sun:

    1) The Fathers never say the earth moves, except at the end of time.
    2) The Fathers always say the earth is at rest at the center of the universe.
    3) The Fathers never say the sun is the center of the universe.
    4) The Fathers never say the sun does not move around the earth, even in their scientific analysis of the cosmos.
    5) The Fathers always say the earth is the center of the universe.
    6) The Fathers always say the sun moves as the moon moves.
    7) The Fathers recognize that some of the Greeks held that the earth moves and rotates, but they do not accept that teaching.
    8) The Fathers hold that the earth was created first, by itself, and only afterward the sun, moon and stars.
    9) The Fathers hold that light was created after the earth, but that this light preceded the light of the sun and stars.
    10) The Fathers never held the myth of antipodes, (opposite side dwellers) people walking around the opposite side of a sphere.