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Millions of Muslims converting to "Christianity"
« on: November 29, 2021, 05:37:45 PM »
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    • An interesting phenomenon apparently going on among Muslims is conversion to Christianity, some due to dreams about Our Lord. Obviously, this is to the generalized "Christianity " which encompasses all sects, not just the Catholic Church, but it is interesting nonetheless.

    https://rumble.com/vpyy7m-millions-of-muslims-are-converting-to-christianity-after-having-dreams-and-.html
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    Re: Millions of Muslims converting to "Christianity"
    « Reply #1 on: November 29, 2021, 06:05:35 PM »
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    • Interesting.  I suppose I'd rather see them come to some faith in Christ, and thereby to reject Islam, than not to.  Might be possible to think of it as a "gateway conversion", in which they might be open to Catholic truth, in a way they weren't in Islam.

    Just going to throw this out there --- and not for one moment do I advocate anyone being anything but a true Catholic --- but is there any traditional (pre-V2) support whatsoever, for the Newchurch assertion that the Holy Ghost (Spirit) acts in non-Catholic Christians?  More to the point, why would the Holy Ghost allow them to remain in error?  Anybody have any thoughts on this?

    I'd also have to suggest that DDS misses the mark, in saying that Muslims are the hardest people to convert.  Second-hardest might be more like it. >cough cough<
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    Re: Millions of Muslims converting to "Christianity"
    « Reply #2 on: November 29, 2021, 06:34:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on November 29, 2021, 06:05:35 PM
    Interesting.  I suppose I'd rather see them come to some faith in Christ, and thereby to reject Islam, than not to.  Might be possible to think of it as a "gateway conversion", in which they might be open to Catholic truth, in a way they weren't in Islam.

    Just going to throw this out there --- and not for one moment do I advocate anyone being anything but a true Catholic --- but is there any traditional (pre-V2) support whatsoever, for the Newchurch assertion that the Holy Ghost (Spirit) acts in non-Catholic Christians?  More to the point, why would the Holy Ghost allow them to remain in error?  Anybody have any thoughts on this?

    I'd also have to suggest that DDS misses the mark, in saying that Muslims are the hardest people to convert.  Second-hardest might be more like it. >cough cough<
    The only thing I can think of would be that the Holy Ghost gives all men the grace to convert, including heretics. But since they have rejected the Truth for error, one cannot say that it is possible for them to possess the supernatural virtues of Faith, Hope and Charity. So I would say that the Holy Ghost does not operate in them. Anything beyond that towards salvation, as the Newchurch heretically teaches, would be in the negative.

    I agree, that while this isn't a true "conversion" to the True Religion, it definitely serves as a "gateway" to the Catholic Faith. I really hope this is the beginning of something tremendous, as any reduction in followers of the Anti-Prophet Mahomet is a good thing.
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    Re: Millions of Muslims converting to "Christianity"
    « Reply #3 on: November 29, 2021, 06:51:04 PM »
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    • Yes, I think we have to view this as a "baby steps" process.  But it is incorrect to say that a baptized person (even one baptized by a protestant) doesn't have faith, hope or charity.  They may only have such graces for a short time - until they a) understand protestant heresy, b) fully embrace it.

    But what's the alternative?  They accept novus ordo catholicism?  Is that better than protestantism?  On some things it is, and some things it's not.  Protestantism is so wide-ranging - from the wiccan-influenced "mega" churches down to the super strict southern baptists.

    The way I see it is - the Holy Ghost never stops pulling people towards the Truth.  Until someone is dead or until they harden their hearts, He will lead them to the Fullness of the Faith.  It may take years, or decades.  Practically speaking, the protestants are the only ones out there "preaching" so it makes sense that Muslims convert to this type of "christianity".  Only God can bring good out of error.  Trads are so few...unless a muslim stumbles onto a Diamond website, how would they convert to the TLM?
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    Re: Millions of Muslims converting to "Christianity"
    « Reply #4 on: November 30, 2021, 02:39:23 AM »
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    • And also there is the difference between Active grace and Sacramental grace.
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    Re: Millions of Muslims converting to "Christianity"
    « Reply #5 on: November 30, 2021, 03:53:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on November 29, 2021, 06:05:35 PM
    Interesting.  I suppose I'd rather see them come to some faith in Christ, and thereby to reject Islam, than not to.  Might be possible to think of it as a "gateway conversion", in which they might be open to Catholic truth, in a way they weren't in Islam.

    Just going to throw this out there --- and not for one moment do I advocate anyone being anything but a true Catholic --- but is there any traditional (pre-V2) support whatsoever, for the Newchurch assertion that the Holy Ghost (Spirit) acts in non-Catholic Christians?  More to the point, why would the Holy Ghost allow them to remain in error?  Anybody have any thoughts on this?

    I'd also have to suggest that DDS misses the mark, in saying that Muslims are the hardest people to convert.  Second-hardest might be more like it. >cough cough<
    I can perhaps shed some more light in regards to my own conversion and that of my family. it indeed seems to be the impulse of the holy spirit to come to christ however the holy spirit always wants us in the fullness not heretical sects whereas one's own will often rejects that fullness and wants these comfortable half measures where you feel like youre in the church but you know that you arent and are deluding yourself. There is usually some impediment and often it is the comfort of being with friends and family or having a community that matches one's own carnal desires. This can often be more damaging than remaining in the filth because 99% of the way is still short of the finish whereas the one who remains in the filth still has a more acute intuition of his filthiness. That is why satan created this smorgesboard of diabolical heresies to distract away from the truth and lead to hell. A different flavour just short of perfection for the tastes of each person's deficient will.

    One can atleast hope that these ex mohamedans are going to valid eastern priests (even if heretical and schismatic) with a true faith but are receiving true sacraments out of necessity with supplied jurisdiction as canon law permits without being drawn into the errors.
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    Re: Millions of Muslims converting to "Christianity"
    « Reply #6 on: November 30, 2021, 09:34:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: Sefa on November 30, 2021, 03:53:55 AM
    There is usually some impediment and often it is the comfort of being with friends and family or having a community that matches one's own carnal desires. This can often be more damaging than remaining in the filth because 99% of the way is still short of the finish whereas the one who remains in the filth still has a more acute intuition of his filthiness. That is why satan created this smorgesboard of diabolical heresies to distract away from the truth and lead to hell. A different flavour just short of perfection for the tastes of each person's deficient will.
    You got it! 

    When I read an ecuмenistic "christian" headline like the OP, what I read is Mohamedans going into the smorgasbord. It means nothing.
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