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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
« Reply #420 on: March 23, 2022, 01:41:51 AM »
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  • This was an excellent post by Tradman:

    Recreational use of Marijuana


    1. Opens the soul to demonic influence.
    2. Weakens moral judgement
    3. Promotes immorality
    4. Fosters narcissism
    5. Leads to moral pessimism
    6. Is socially and morally divisive
    7. Promotes laziness toward Catholic works
    8. Promotes disobedience to priests and the Church
    9. Promotes disobedience to secular authority
    10.  Is a safety issue for children who's parents use.
    11. Causes neglect, and abuse of children by parents who use
    12. Dulls sense of guilt and is counter to Sacrament of Confession
    13. Profanes the reception of the Eucharist
    14. Is falsely equated with moderate use of alcohol
    15. Often leads to use of other drugs
    16. Promotes secrecy and leads to animosity
    17. Promotes other crime
    18. Often destroys relationships
    19. Impedes the desire to attain heaven
    20. Leads to a liberal and worldly mindset
    21. Retards emotions
    22. Wastes opportunities for good
    23 Impedes Christ's mandate to evangelize
    24 Denies Scripture's command to stay sober
    25 Denies the modest conduct of Our Lady
    26 Leads to the unforgivable sin of despair
    27 Is often its own object of worship
    28. Causes certain kinds of brain damage
    29. Often leads to other addictions
    30. Inhibits holiness
    31. Is well founded in paganism, abhorred in Christendom
    32. Is proven by all the above to be a "sacrament" of the diabolic
     
    This list is by no means exhaustive, barely even scratches the surface. After it exceeded 21, I figured this was enough to get the picture.  If anyone disagrees, present your argument.  Whatever you do, don't smoke weed, rather, do penance for the salvation of souls.

    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #421 on: March 23, 2022, 01:46:20 AM »
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  • Except that LastPerv's ass-umptions are erroneous and entirely ass-
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    Important reviews
    University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
    http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
    Review on clinical studies with cannabis and cannabinoids 2005-2009. Hazecamp A and Grotenhermen F. Cannabinoids 2010;5(special issue):1-21.
    www.cannabis-med.org/data/pdf/en_2010_01_special.pdf
    Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
    http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
    Emerging Clinical Applications for Cannabis and Cannabinoids: A Review of the Recent Scientific Literature, 2000 – 2010. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010.
    http://norml.org/pdf_files/NORML_Clinical_Applications_for_Cannabis_and_Cannabinoids.pdf
    Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy of Science Institute of Medicine, 1999
    http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376
    popularized in: Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=R1
    AIDS/HIV
    University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
    http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
    Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7485
    “Marijuana and AIDS” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=86
    ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's Disease)
    Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS)
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7004
    Alzheimer's Disease
    Alzheimer's Disease
    http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7003
    Cachexia. Wasting syndrome
    See sections 3.1 and 3.2 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
    http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
    Cancer
    Gliomas/Cancer
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7008
    “Marijuana and Cancer” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=95
    Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®). National Cancer Institute. 2011.
    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page1
    Cardiovascular disease
    The Potential for Clinical Use of Cannabinoids in Treatment
    of Cardiovascular Diseases. Durst R and Lotan C. Cardiovascular Therapeutics 2011 Feb;29(1):17-22. doi: 10.1111/j.1755-5922.2010.00233.x. Epub 2010 Oct 14.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20946323
    The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in cardiovascular disease. Pacher P, Steffens S. Semin Immunopathol. 2009 Jun;31(1):63-77. Epub 2009 Apr 9.
    http://www.springerlink.com/content/a04103g160h16450/fulltext.pdf
    Cannabinoid receptors in atherosclerosis. Steffens S, Mach F. Curr Opin Lipidol. 2006 Oct;17(5):519-26.
    http://journals.lww.com/co-lipidology/Abstract/2006/10000/Cannabinoid_receptors_in_atherosclerosis.5.aspx
    Cannabinoid receptors in acute and chronic complications of atherosclerosis. Mach F, Montecucco F, Steffens S. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 January; 153(2): 290–298.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2219535/pdf/0707517a.pdf
    Endocannabinoids and cannabinoid receptors in ischaemia-reperfusion injury and preconditioning. Pacher P, Haskó G. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 Jan;153(2):252-62. Epub 2007 Nov 19.
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/sj.bjp.0707582/pdf
    The role of the endocannabinoid system in atherosclerosis. Mach F, Steffens S. J Neuroendocrinol. 2008 May;20 Suppl 1:53-7.
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2826.2008.01685.x/pdf
    Cardiovascular Effects of Cannabis | Medicinal Cannabis Information. Independent Drug Monitoring Unit, United Kingdom, undated
    http://www.idmu.co.uk/canncardio.htm
    Crohns Disease
    Gastrointestinal Disorders
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7009
    Endocannabinoid sysytem
    The Endocannabinoid System as an Emerging Target of Pharmacotherapy. National Institute of Health: Pacher P, Bátkai S, Kunos G. Pharmacol Rev. 2006 Sep;58(3):389-462.
    http://pharmrev.aspetjournals.org/content/58/3/389.full.pdf
    Endocrine disease, diabetes
    The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in endocrine regulation and energy balance. Pagotto U, Marsicano G, Cota D, Lutz B, Pasquali R. Endocr Rev. 2006 Feb;27(1):73-100. Epub 2005 Nov 23.
    http://fk.uwks.ac.id/elib/Arsip/Departemen/Biokimia/The%20Emerging%20Role%20of%20the%20Endocannabinoid%20System.pdf
    Fibromyalgia
    Nabilone for the Treatment of Pain in Fibromyalgia. Skrabek RQ, Galimova L, Ethans K, Perry D. J Pain. 2008 Feb;9(2):164-73. Epub 2007 Nov 5.
    http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:9gDyCVhqJSMJ:files.meetup.com/404848/2008_Nabilone-for-the-Treatment-of-Pain-in-Fibromyalgia.pdf+Nabilone+for+the+Treatment+of+Pain+in+Fibromyalgia&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjFGavzxEJkBjsOj_YyWPHuo5PRG034PLna8X6n3sXGT696PVuaEH15HF07xVpfV10wLPfon8-nZoD0RcJfU6LInnuqHOGpKDECN4oQ6OWBgGgwXWckH2QB31FTn1BZn0KX9U7A&sig=AHIEtbQlDN8uMzxJIm6KKL0POTJdhmbsvg
    Delta-9-THC based monotherapy in fibromyalgia patients on experimentally induced pain, axon reflex flare, and pain relief. Schley M, Legler A, Skopp G, Schmelz M, Konrad C, Rukwied R. Curr Med Res Opin. 2006 Jul;22(7):1269-76.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16834825
    Fibromyalgia
    http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7007
    Glaucoma
    American Glaucoma Society position statement: Marijuana and the treatment of glaucoma. American Glaucoma Society, Prepared by Henry Jampel, M.D., M.H.S., August 10, 2009
    http://www.americanglaucomasociety.net/associations/5224/files/Marijuana%20and%20Glaucoma%20august%2030_BOD%20Approved%2010.23.09.pdf
    Marijuana and Glaucoma” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=124
    Hepatitis C
    Hepatitis C
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7010
    Marijuana effects, drug levels, DUI
    Marijuana effect and delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol plasma level. Chiang CWN and Barnett G. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1984 Aug;36(2):234-8.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6086207
    Contact highs and urinary cannabinoids excretion after passive exposure to marijuana smoke. Cone EJ and Johnson RE. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1986 Sep;40(3):247-56.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3017628
    Do delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol concentrations indicate recent use in chronic cannabis users? Karschner EL, Schwilke EW, Lowe RH, Darwin WD, Pope HG, Herning R, Cadet JL, Huestis MA. Addiction. 2009 Dec;104(12):2041-8. Epub 2009 Oct 5.
    http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1114
    Developing limits for driving under cannabis. Grotenhermen F, Leson G, Berghaus G, Drummer OH, Krüger HP, Longo M, Moskowitz H, Perrine B, Ramaekers JG, Smiley A, Tunbridge R. Addiction 2007 Dec;102(12):1910-7. Epub 2007 Oct 4.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17916224
    Urinary cannabinoid detection times after controlled oral administration of delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol to humans. Gustafson RA, Levine B, Stout PR, Klette KL, George MP, Moolchan ET, Huestis MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1114-24.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12816908
    Editorial: Practical Challenges to Positive Drug Tests for Marijuana. ElSohly MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1037-8.
    http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1037
    Dose related risk of motor vehicle crashes after cannabis use. Ramaekers JG, Berghaus G, van Laar M, Drummer OH. Drug Alcohol Depend. 2004 Feb 7;73(2):109-19.
    http://www.ukcia.org/research/DoseRelatedRiskOfCrashes.pdf
    Tolerance and cross-tolerance to neurocognitive effects of THC and alcohol in heavy cannabis users. Ramaekers JG, Theunissen EL, de Brouwer M, Toennes SW, Moeller MR, Kauert G. Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2011 Mar;214(2):391-401. Epub 2010 Oct 30.
    http://www.cannabistherapyinstitute.com/bills/dui/raemakers.etal.pdf
    Cannabis and Driving: A Scientific and Rational Review. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010
    http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7459
    Sex differences in the effects of marijuana on simulated driving performance. Anderson BM, Rizzo M, Block RI, Pearlson GD, O'Leary DS. J Psychoactive Drugs. 2010 Mar;42(1):19-30.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3033009/
    Effects of THC on driving performance, physiological state and subjective feelings relative to alcohol. Ronen A, Gershon P, Drobiner H, Rabinovich A, Bar-Hamburger R, Mechoulam R, Cassuto Y, Shinar D. Accid Anal Prev. 2008 May;40(3):926-34. Epub 2007 Nov 26.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18460360
    Muscle Spasms
    Dystonia
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7006
    “Marijuana and Muscle Spasticity” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=106
    Nausea
    See sections 3.1 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
    http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
    Pain
    University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
    http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
    Chronic Pain
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7786
    “Marijuana and Pain” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=77#
    Post traumatic Stress Disorder
    Cannabinoid receptor activation in the basolateral amygdala blocks the effects of stress on the conditioning and extinction of inhibitory avoidance. Ganon-Elazar E, Akirav I. J Neurosci. 2009 Sep 9;29(36):11078-88.
    http://www.jneurosci.org/content/29/36/11078.full.pdf+html
    [Extinction of emotional response as a novel approach of pharmacotherapy of anxiety disorders]. Lehner M, Wisłowska-Stanek A, Płaznik A. Psychiatr Pol. 2009 Nov-Dec;43(6):639-53.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20209877
    The Use of a Synthetic Cannabinoid in the Management of Treatment‐Resistant Nightmares in Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Fraser GA. CNS Neurosci Ther. 2009 Winter;15(1):84-8.
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1755-5949.2008.00071.x/pdf
    Public policy
    Harm reduction-the cannabis paradox. Melamede R. Harm Reduct J. 2005 Sep 22;2:17.
    http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/pdf/1477-7517-2-17.pdf
    Seizures
    See sections 3.7 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
    http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
    “Marijuana and Neurological Disorders” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=115



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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #422 on: March 23, 2022, 02:29:16 AM »
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #423 on: March 23, 2022, 08:28:39 PM »
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  • Yes.  Novus Ordo churches has Bingo now on Fridays during Lent.  Most of people who attend this Bingo are foul mouthed lazy people who have gambling addictions who are on tax payer funded welfare. Then the church is most likely serving meatball sandwiches or meat to sell. More people at bingo than Eucharistic adoration.  Den of thieves.  Cigarettes are a sin because it is addictive and many spend $30 a day instead of paying their bills.  Coca Cola for the longest Is a processed food that causing health problems and obesity which is sin. Video game addiction is a problem because it contains violence, graphic sex scenes. It too is often an addiction that leads to sin of sloth.  It is not being puritanical.  What is the state of the Catholic Church today?  There is a Pope who worships a false Idol.  Bingo, cigarettes, an altars today Coca Cola, food addiction, Video games instead of praying etc.  are all distractions and  are false idols
    much of what you wrote is presumptuous at best.

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #424 on: March 29, 2022, 03:15:17 PM »
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  • The endocannabinoid system—whazzat?

    Your body makes, uses, and needs marijuana-like chemicals called “endocannabinoids.” Your physical and mental health require these endocannabinoids. Members of the Animal Kingdom, from sponges to men, have nerve and other organ receptors that respond to endocannabinoids. A basic understanding of the nervous system illustrates how these endocannabinoids work.

    The basics

    The nervous system works using the movement of chemicals and electricity. In its most simplified fashion, electrochemical activity usually proceeds along the “wires” (axons) of nerve cells (“neurons”) to the tip where special chemicals (“neurotransmitters”) are released into a space between neighboring neurons. The space is called a “synapse”. The neurotransmitter is released from a “presynaptic” neuron, and then diffuses across the synapse to bind to receptors in the neighboring “postsynaptic” neuron.

    Neurotransmitters fit specific receptors to activate (or block) those receptors, sort of like a key in a lock. Our own bodies make endocannabinoids that fit our endocannabinoid receptors. Marijuana works because many of marijuana’s chemicals are like “keys” that fit and activate our different endocannabinoid “locks.” Marijuana’s chemicals are “phytocannabinoids,” plant cannabinoids.



    Endocannabinoids are unique in a few respects. Most neurotransmitters are synthesized in advance by the presynaptic neurons to be stored in tiny packets (“vesicles”) in the cells to be available when needed. Endocannabinoids are not synthesized in advance and stored, but are synthesized on demand for immediate release. Also, it is not the presynaptic neurons but the postsynaptic neurons that synthesize the endocannabinoids. This means that the endocannabinoids are released into the synapse and then diffuse backwards to affect the presynaptic neuron. In a sense, the chemicals go against the flow of “electricity” to modulate the flow of “electricity,” hence endocannabinoids are sometimes classed as “neuromodulators.” Similar chemical interactions also occur in the organs outside of the nervous system.
    The chemicals

    Endocannabinoids are fats (“lipids”), so are able to diffuse quickly through lipid-laden tissues and membranes. In 1992 Anandamide, also known as N-arachidonylethanolamine or “AEA”, was the first endocannabinoid identified and was named from the Sanskrit word “ananda” (“bliss”) joined with “amide,” the name of its general chemical class. So far, other identified endocannabinoids include 2-arachidonylyglycerol (“2-AG”), 2-arachidonyl glyceryl ether (noladin ether), O-arachidonyl ethanolamine (“OAE” or virodhamine), and N-arachidonyl dopamine (NADA). While “your” government tells you there is no medical use for marijuana, Big Pharma has been developing proprietary variations of endocannabinoids and marijuana’s chemicals to sell you.

    The receptor subtypes

    In man the endocannabinoids bind to endocannabinoid receptors of different subtypes distributed throughout our many organ systems. The best characterized of these receptor subtypes are the CB1 and CB2 receptors, however there are likely at least three additional subtypes that are temporarily and not very cleverly named “non-CB1/non-CB2” receptors.

    CB1 receptors

    CB1 receptors are most widely found in the brain, but are not found in the brainstem, the medulla, where our important respiratory and heart control centers are located. It is thought that the absence of cannabinoids receptors in the brainstem accounts for the enormous safety of marijuana. Cannabinoids, unlike opiates, cannot depress the brainstem’s control centers of respiratory and heart function. CB1 receptors are not limited to the brain, but are also widely distributed in the pituitary, thyroid, adrenals, liver, lung, kidney, gut, pain receptors, and even our reproductive systems. Endocannabinoids are suspected to play a role in regulating the implantation of newly conceived babies. There appears to be an optimum level of endocannabinoids for fertility. If levels are too high or too low the baby will not implant properly or grow in the mother’s womb.

    A strain of laboratory mice without CB1 receptors, known as “CB1 knockout mice,” suffer from severe memory problems and die early from stroke and heart attack. These observations in mice correlate with research in humans showing the importance of cannabinoids in modulating memory, cardiovascular function, and nerve-protecting effects.

    It is well known that cannabis affects appetite, gives you “the munchies,” and also makes you happy. Research aimed at the role of cannabis in appetite led to the development of very potent appetite suppressants. A drug that blocks CB1 receptors, Rimonabant, was a very effective and widely prescribed appetite suppressant in Europe. Despite its effectiveness in dieting, Rimonabant was pulled from the market. Why? Big Pharma’s drug so completely blocked patients’ natural endocannabinoids that patients were deprived of not only their craving for food, but also deprived of their mental health. Because Rimonabant blocked the mood stabilizing effects of natural endocannabinoids, Rimonabant users were committing ѕυιcιdє in significant numbers.

    What do we learn from these observations? Endocannabinoids maintain our physical health and mental stability. Yes, Divine Providence at work—happy minds and healthy bodies require marijuana-like chemicals!

    CB2 receptors

    CB2 receptors are also widely distributed, most notably throughout the immune system (T-cells, B-cells, macrophages, monocytes, etc.) and hematopoietic (blood-making) system of the spleen, liver, tonsils, thymus, and bone marrow. CB2 receptors are found in the brain, but unlike CB1 receptors that are mostly observed on neurons, the nerve cells, CB2 receptors are found primarily on microglia, the support and immune cells of the brain and spinal cord. CB2 receptors are also prevalent in the gastrointestinal tract and bone. Stimulation of CB2 receptors by endocannabinoids and by marijuana’s phytocannabinoids, especially cannabidiol (“CBD”), appears to down-regulate both the immune system and pain receptors. Endocannabinoids also help to maintain bone mass, preventing osteoporosis.

    It is likely that such down-regulated CB2 receptor activity in pain receptors, the immune system, and the gut explains the observed effectiveness of marijuana in reducing inflammation and pain, especially in inflammatory bowel diseases like Crohn’s Disease and ulcerative colitis, and in neuropathic pain, pain due to disorders of pain receptors. Effects on microglial cells may explain not just the palliative (symptom reduction) effects of marijuana, but also the curative effects observed by some researchers in Alzheimer’s Disease, multiple sclerosis, and a particularly aggressive type of brain cancer, glioblastoma multiforme. Researchers have observed that cannabinoids reduce the hallmark amyloid deposition and neurofibrillatory tangles of Alzheimer’s Disease, the demyelination of multiple sclerosis, and numerous types of cancers.

    Future developments

    As the term “non-CB1/non-CB2 receptors” implies, there are a variety of other receptors that remain to be characterized and their roles elucidated. And so there are…




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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #425 on: March 29, 2022, 03:29:53 PM »
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  • This was an excellent post by Tradman:

    Recreational use of Marijuana


    1. Opens the soul to demonic influence.
    2. Weakens moral judgement
    3. Promotes immorality
    4. Fosters narcissism
    5. Leads to moral pessimism
    6. Is socially and morally divisive
    7. Promotes laziness toward Catholic works
    8. Promotes disobedience to priests and the Church
    9. Promotes disobedience to secular authority
    10.  Is a safety issue for children who's parents use.
    11. Causes neglect, and abuse of children by parents who use
    12. Dulls sense of guilt and is counter to Sacrament of Confession
    13. Profanes the reception of the Eucharist
    14. Is falsely equated with moderate use of alcohol
    15. Often leads to use of other drugs
    16. Promotes secrecy and leads to animosity
    17. Promotes other crime
    18. Often destroys relationships
    19. Impedes the desire to attain heaven
    20. Leads to a liberal and worldly mindset
    21. Retards emotions
    22. Wastes opportunities for good
    23 Impedes Christ's mandate to evangelize
    24 Denies Scripture's command to stay sober
    25 Denies the modest conduct of Our Lady
    26 Leads to the unforgivable sin of despair
    27 Is often its own object of worship
    28. Causes certain kinds of brain damage
    29. Often leads to other addictions
    30. Inhibits holiness
    31. Is well founded in paganism, abhorred in Christendom
    32. Is proven by all the above to be a "sacrament" of the diabolic
     
    This list is by no means exhaustive, barely even scratches the surface. After it exceeded 21, I figured this was enough to get the picture.  If anyone disagrees, present your argument.  Whatever you do, don't smoke weed, rather, do penance for the salvation of souls.

    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #426 on: March 29, 2022, 03:30:09 PM »
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  • Thank you, Tradman. 
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #427 on: March 29, 2022, 03:39:45 PM »
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  • This was an excellent post by Tradman:

    Recreational use of Marijuana

    Most of this is utter BS.  Same things could be said about alcohol.  None of it addresses whether it's a sin.  Don't smoke pot and mind your own business.


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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #428 on: March 29, 2022, 03:47:58 PM »
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  • Most of this is utter BS.  Same things could be said about alcohol.  None of it addresses whether it's a sin.  Don't smoke pot and mind your own business.
    One can also say "smoke pot and mind your own business" to the defenders of recreational use of marijuana, but that isn't going to stop them from advertising here.  So, the 99% of Trads who are against recreational use of MJ are going to come forward, as Viva has.

    Here is the answer to your comment "None of it addresses whether it's a sin":

    The short of it:
    In conclusion, therefore, the use of marijuana, like any hard or soft drug, must be considered a mortal sin. If on occasion some people might be in ignorance as to the gravity of this sin, it is clearly evident that the matter is objectively serious. Consequently, it must be confessed as a mortal sin, and a person is obliged to confess drug abuse under pain of a bad or sacrilegious confession. If he forgot to confess the sin, he must then confess it at the first possible opportunity that he has. The priest who claimed that this was not a mortal sin has fallen into the trap of laxity.

    The entire article:

    Is smoking marijuana a sin?

     
     “Neither the effeminate, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards...will possess the kingdom of God” (I Cor. 6:10). Drunkenness is a deliberate excess in the use of intoxicating drink or drugs to the point of forcibly depriving oneself of the use of reason for the sake of gratifying an inordinate desire for such drink and not for the sake of promoting health. This is contrary to the virtue of temperance, and specifically sobriety. Sobriety regulates man’s desire and use of intoxicants, and is vitally necessary for an upright moral life.
     
     The evil of intoxication lies in the violence committed against one’s nature by depriving it of the use of reason. He deprives himself of that which makes him specifically human — his ability to think. The drunk, or in this case the drug user, desires this loss of reason because of the feeling of liberation which accompanies it precisely from this lack of control of the will over the reason. It is unnatural, contrary to sleep, which also deprives one of the use of reason but in a natural manner.
     
     Drug use gives an illicit means of escape. Besides being a sin, it also manifests an immaturity on the part of the user. Through an act of violence against himself, he escapes from the responsibility of decision making and control in his life. When this deprivation is complete, e.g., actions totally contrary to normal behavior, incapability of distinguishing between good and evil, etc., it is a grave sin. “In vino veritas,” said the Romans, not without reason. Any state short of complete drunkenness, without sufficient reason, is of itself venially sinful, but even in this case it may be a mortal sin if it causes scandal, injury to health, harm to one’s family, etc. It is important also to note that a man is responsible for all the sinful actions committed while intoxicated which he had, or ought to have, foreseen.
     
     According to Jone-Adelman in Moral Theology, the use of drugs in small quantities and only occasionally is a venial sin if done without sufficient reason. This could be the case, for example, with sleeping pills. Obviously, deprivation of the use of reason through narcotics is to be judged as alcohol. The use of most drugs is complicated by the fact that they are illegal. This also signifies the will of the user to break the law, an offense against social justice. This compounds the sin. The speed with which a drug alters one’s consciousness also aggravates its use. This rapidity risks a greater potential to deprive oneself of the use of reason and thus to pass on to stronger intoxicants for increased effect.
     
     Therefore, adding to the violation of the virtue of justice, the grave scandal caused, the grave danger of addiction, and the stronger consciousness-altering ability of marijuana, it is difficult to excuse one of mortal sin. Moreover, experience tells us that its use is frequently an occasion of mortal sin, especially sins of the flesh and the use of narcotic drugs. But to willingly and knowingly place oneself in an unnecessary proximate occasion of mortal sin is to commit a mortal sin.  Fr. James Doran, September 1993
     
     Is it a mortal sin to use drugs?
     
     The old text books [on moral theology] do not speak of this new problem of the modern world. However, the immorality of drug abuse can be clearly deduced from the principles which allow an evaluation of the malice of alcohol abuse. The distinction is made between imperfect drunkenness, the fact of making oneself tipsy deliberately, which can only be a venial sin, and perfect drunkenness, which is drinking until one is drunk. This is a mortal sin because a drunken person loses the use of reason. This is St. Thomas Aquinas’s response to the objection that the quantity of wine drunk is but a circuмstance, which cannot make a venial sin into a mortal sin:
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    With regard to drunkenness we reply that it is a mortal sin by reason of its genus: for that a man, without necessity, and through the mere lust of wine, makes himself unable to use his reason, whereby he is directed to God and avoids committing many sins, is expressly contrary to virtue. That it be a venial sin is due to some sort of ignorance or weakness, as when a man is ignorant of the strength of the wine, or of his own unfitness, so that he has no thought of getting drunk, for in that case the drunkenness is not imputed to him as a sin, but only the excessive drink…." (Summa Theologica, I-II, q. 88, art. 5, ad1)

     The consumption of illegal drugs, even those called soft drugs, is comparable not to becoming tipsy on a little wine but to perfect drunkenness. For these drugs have their effect by causing a “high,” that is, an emotional experience when a person escapes from the demands of reality. For a brief period he lives in an unreal, euphoric world. All the other effects, such as relaxation, come as a consequence of this “high,” or unreal euphoria. If this state does not always prohibit all use of reason, it most certainly does always impede the most important use of reason, which St. Thomas just explained to us “whereby he is directed to God and avoids committing many sins.” All drugs deaden the conscience, and obscure the practical judgment as to right and wrong and what we must do. With respect to morality, their effect is consequently equivalent to the removal of the use of reason, and is a practical refusal to direct all of man’s acts to God through reason.
     
     Drug abuse is consequently much worse than the pure seeking of pleasure or relaxation that some claim it to be. It is a denial of the natural and supernatural order, according to which God has created us in His image and likeness that our acts might be ordered to His honor and glory. Moreover, it goes without saying that the abuse of drugs is directly opposed to the Catholic spirit, which spirit of sacrifice, the practical application of the spirit of the cross, is essential to the living of our faith.
     
     As previously mentioned, the principal evil of drug abuse is the destruction of moral conscience. It follows that the atrocious consequences of drug abuse are inseparable from it, and are willed together with the drugs themselves. This includes the breaking of the law in the consumption of drugs; and in the means of obtaining them, such as theft; and in the effort to sell them in turn to others, often minors or children. Other consequences include the incredible self-indulgence which accompanies the almost insatiable desire for always more titillating experiences, sins of blasphemy, the often satanic rock music, and the sins against purity and chastity, which are the consequence of the loss of shame and conscience.
     
     Sins against charity and justice abound, such as disobedience to parents and refusal to do one’s duty at school or work, not to mention the bad company-keeping which is the breeding ground of all vices. Long term results are also willed in their cause, and they include such things as emotional and physical addiction, the passage from soft to hard drugs, the damage done to the body and to general health by prolonged drug use, culminating in the “fried” brains of the person who cannot even reason clearly, let alone make a moral judgment. It is a mortal sin to place one’s physical and spiritual health in such proximate danger, even if a person is to pretend that he is immune from this danger and that “it could not happen to me.”
     
     Even the often liberal and ambiguous
    Catechism of the Catholic Church, published in 1994 in application of the principles of Vatican II, acknowledges this:
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    The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law." (§2291)

     This does not, however, exclude the use of narcotic drugs for therapeutic reasons. Their use, under medical supervision, is justified by a sufficiently grave and proportionate reason, even if they do deprive a person temporarily of the use of reason. (Cf. Merkelbach, Summa Theologiae Moralis, II, 925). For it is not the loss of reason which is willed. It is only an indirect consequence, so that there is not necessarily a disorder with respect to the final end of man. The typical example is pain control.
     
     In conclusion, therefore, the use of marijuana, like any hard or soft drug, must be considered a mortal sin. If on occasion some people might be in ignorance as to the gravity of this sin, it is clearly evident that the matter is objectively serious. Consequently, it must be confessed as a mortal sin, and a person is obliged to confess drug abuse under pain of a bad or sacrilegious confession. If he forgot to confess the sin, he must then confess it at the first possible opportunity that he has. The priest who claimed that this was not a mortal sin has fallen into the trap of laxity.
     
    Fr. Peter Scott, January 1999    https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/smoking-marijuana-sin-3188



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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #429 on: March 29, 2022, 03:53:36 PM »
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  • The endocannabinoid system—whazzat?

    Your body makes, uses, and needs marijuana-like chemicals called “endocannabinoids.” Your physical and mental health require these endocannabinoids. Members of the Animal Kingdom, from sponges to men, have nerve and other organ receptors that respond to endocannabinoids. A basic understanding of the nervous system illustrates how these endocannabinoids work.

    The basics

    The nervous system works using the movement of chemicals and electricity. In its most simplified fashion, electrochemical activity usually proceeds along the “wires” (axons) of nerve cells (“neurons”) to the tip where special chemicals (“neurotransmitters”) are released into a space between neighboring neurons. The space is called a “synapse”. The neurotransmitter is released from a “presynaptic” neuron, and then diffuses across the synapse to bind to receptors in the neighboring “postsynaptic” neuron.

    Neurotransmitters fit specific receptors to activate (or block) those receptors, sort of like a key in a lock. Our own bodies make endocannabinoids that fit our endocannabinoid receptors. Marijuana works because many of marijuana’s chemicals are like “keys” that fit and activate our different endocannabinoid “locks.” Marijuana’s chemicals are “phytocannabinoids,” plant cannabinoids.



    Endocannabinoids are unique in a few respects. Most neurotransmitters are synthesized in advance by the presynaptic neurons to be stored in tiny packets (“vesicles”) in the cells to be available when needed. Endocannabinoids are not synthesized in advance and stored, but are synthesized on demand for immediate release. Also, it is not the presynaptic neurons but the postsynaptic neurons that synthesize the endocannabinoids. This means that the endocannabinoids are released into the synapse and then diffuse backwards to affect the presynaptic neuron. In a sense, the chemicals go against the flow of “electricity” to modulate the flow of “electricity,” hence endocannabinoids are sometimes classed as “neuromodulators.” Similar chemical interactions also occur in the organs outside of the nervous system.
    The chemicals

    Endocannabinoids are fats (“lipids”), so are able to diffuse quickly through lipid-laden tissues and membranes. In 1992 Anandamide, also known as N-arachidonylethanolamine or “AEA”, was the first endocannabinoid identified and was named from the Sanskrit word “ananda” (“bliss”) joined with “amide,” the name of its general chemical class. So far, other identified endocannabinoids include 2-arachidonylyglycerol (“2-AG”), 2-arachidonyl glyceryl ether (noladin ether), O-arachidonyl ethanolamine (“OAE” or virodhamine), and N-arachidonyl dopamine (NADA). While “your” government tells you there is no medical use for marijuana, Big Pharma has been developing proprietary variations of endocannabinoids and marijuana’s chemicals to sell you.

    The receptor subtypes

    In man the endocannabinoids bind to endocannabinoid receptors of different subtypes distributed throughout our many organ systems. The best characterized of these receptor subtypes are the CB1 and CB2 receptors, however there are likely at least three additional subtypes that are temporarily and not very cleverly named “non-CB1/non-CB2” receptors.

    CB1 receptors

    CB1 receptors are most widely found in the brain, but are not found in the brainstem, the medulla, where our important respiratory and heart control centers are located. It is thought that the absence of cannabinoids receptors in the brainstem accounts for the enormous safety of marijuana. Cannabinoids, unlike opiates, cannot depress the brainstem’s control centers of respiratory and heart function. CB1 receptors are not limited to the brain, but are also widely distributed in the pituitary, thyroid, adrenals, liver, lung, kidney, gut, pain receptors, and even our reproductive systems. Endocannabinoids are suspected to play a role in regulating the implantation of newly conceived babies. There appears to be an optimum level of endocannabinoids for fertility. If levels are too high or too low the baby will not implant properly or grow in the mother’s womb.

    A strain of laboratory mice without CB1 receptors, known as “CB1 knockout mice,” suffer from severe memory problems and die early from stroke and heart attack. These observations in mice correlate with research in humans showing the importance of cannabinoids in modulating memory, cardiovascular function, and nerve-protecting effects.

    It is well known that cannabis affects appetite, gives you “the munchies,” and also makes you happy. Research aimed at the role of cannabis in appetite led to the development of very potent appetite suppressants. A drug that blocks CB1 receptors, Rimonabant, was a very effective and widely prescribed appetite suppressant in Europe. Despite its effectiveness in dieting, Rimonabant was pulled from the market. Why? Big Pharma’s drug so completely blocked patients’ natural endocannabinoids that patients were deprived of not only their craving for food, but also deprived of their mental health. Because Rimonabant blocked the mood stabilizing effects of natural endocannabinoids, Rimonabant users were committing ѕυιcιdє in significant numbers.

    What do we learn from these observations? Endocannabinoids maintain our physical health and mental stability. Yes, Divine Providence at work—happy minds and healthy bodies require marijuana-like chemicals!

    CB2 receptors

    CB2 receptors are also widely distributed, most notably throughout the immune system (T-cells, B-cells, macrophages, monocytes, etc.) and hematopoietic (blood-making) system of the spleen, liver, tonsils, thymus, and bone marrow. CB2 receptors are found in the brain, but unlike CB1 receptors that are mostly observed on neurons, the nerve cells, CB2 receptors are found primarily on microglia, the support and immune cells of the brain and spinal cord. CB2 receptors are also prevalent in the gastrointestinal tract and bone. Stimulation of CB2 receptors by endocannabinoids and by marijuana’s phytocannabinoids, especially cannabidiol (“CBD”), appears to down-regulate both the immune system and pain receptors. Endocannabinoids also help to maintain bone mass, preventing osteoporosis.

    It is likely that such down-regulated CB2 receptor activity in pain receptors, the immune system, and the gut explains the observed effectiveness of marijuana in reducing inflammation and pain, especially in inflammatory bowel diseases like Crohn’s Disease and ulcerative colitis, and in neuropathic pain, pain due to disorders of pain receptors. Effects on microglial cells may explain not just the palliative (symptom reduction) effects of marijuana, but also the curative effects observed by some researchers in Alzheimer’s Disease, multiple sclerosis, and a particularly aggressive type of brain cancer, glioblastoma multiforme. Researchers have observed that cannabinoids reduce the hallmark amyloid deposition and neurofibrillatory tangles of Alzheimer’s Disease, the demyelination of multiple sclerosis, and numerous types of cancers.

    Future developments

    As the term “non-CB1/non-CB2 receptors” implies, there are a variety of other receptors that remain to be characterized and their roles elucidated. And so there are…




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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #430 on: March 29, 2022, 04:21:07 PM »
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  • Catholics promoting the smoking of marijuana for recreation brings to mind a quote from Our Lady to Sister Mary of Agreda "close thy senses to the deceits and fabulations of the world". There is nothing noble about recreational smoking of MJ, it is just another deceit of the world. Catholics, that is real Catholics, should aspire to ennoble their spirit. MJ is debasing, it is a scandal for Catholics to even say they smoke MJ for recreation, especially here on a public forum for all to read for years.


    Mystical City of God by Sister Mary of Agreda Volume 3 page 67 & 68:


    73. Come then, my daughter, come and follow me. And in order that thou mayest imitate me as I desire and that thy understanding may be properly enlightened, thy spirit sufficiently ennobled and prepared, and thy will inflamed, separate thyself from all earthly things as thy Spouse wishes; withdraw thyself from what is visible, forsake all the creatures, deny thyself, close thy senses to the deceits and fabulations of the world (Ps. 39, 5).



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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #431 on: March 29, 2022, 04:45:49 PM »
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  • LT,
    Moral theologians > female mystics, especially those whom your self-interpret.  

    Not only are you a puritan but your arguments are Baptist-style, personal opinions.  :facepalm:

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #432 on: March 29, 2022, 05:09:39 PM »
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  • Although this is off topic, it seems there are contradictory views for many reasons:

    Recreational use of Marijuana


    1. Opens the soul to demonic influence.
    2. Weakens moral judgement
    3. Promotes immorality
    4. Fosters narcissism
    5. Leads to moral pessimism
    6. Is socially and morally divisive
    7. Promotes laziness toward Catholic works
    8. Promotes disobedience to priests and the Church
    9. Promotes disobedience to secular authority
    10.  Is a safety issue for children who's parents use.
    11. Causes neglect, and abuse of children by parents who use
    12. Dulls sense of guilt and is counter to Sacrament of Confession
    13. Profanes the reception of the Eucharist
    14. Is falsely equated with moderate use of alcohol
    15. Often leads to use of other drugs
    16. Promotes secrecy and leads to animosity
    17. Promotes other crime
    18. Often destroys relationships
    19. Impedes the desire to attain heaven
    20. Leads to a liberal and worldly mindset
    21. Retards emotions
    22. Wastes opportunities for good
    23 Impedes Christ's mandate to evangelize
    24 Denies Scripture's command to stay sober
    25 Denies the modest conduct of Our Lady
    26 Leads to the unforgivable sin of despair
    27 Is often its own object of worship
    28. Causes certain kinds of brain damage
    29. Often leads to other addictions
    30. Inhibits holiness
    31. Is well founded in paganism, abhorred in Christendom
    32. Is proven by all the above to be a "sacrament" of the diabolic
     
    This list is by no means exhaustive, barely even scratches the surface. After it exceeded 21, I figured this was enough to get the picture.  If anyone disagrees, present your argument.  Whatever you do, don't smoke weed, rather, do penance for the salvation of souls. 

    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #433 on: March 29, 2022, 05:11:19 PM »
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  • When we pray, we should have our wits.  

    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #434 on: March 29, 2022, 05:12:41 PM »
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