Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

« previous next »
Pages: 1 ... 22 23 [24] 25 26 ... 38

Author Topic: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?  (Read 60540 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Last Tradhican

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6293
  • Reputation: +3330/-1939
  • Gender: Male
Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
« Reply #345 on: March 14, 2022, 12:33:37 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • -
    Logged

    Offline Mark 79

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 12495
    • Reputation: +8275/-1581
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #346 on: March 14, 2022, 12:34:17 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Mark 79 on March 14, 2022, 11:52:20 AM
    Unclear why you'd use NBC News as your serious evidence.

    I found the relevant article.  No surprise that NBC News sensationalizes a rather weak article.

    I'll do a deeper review, but my preliminary read finds that the "meta-analysis" makes a great show talking about THC as a CB1 agonist, but both pure THC and whole plant MJ stimulate all the endocannabinoid receptors (though in greatly varying degrees), some of which counterbalance CB1 effects. Then throughout the paper the authors mention "CB1 agonist," but do not make clear whether they used a pharmaceutical or the plant or both. I have already mentioned that MJ patients consistently report inferior benefit from pharmaceutical monotherapies.

    The study also confesses the "heterogeneity" of the subjects involved, so admit that the subjects and their dosages were so diverse that numerous confounding factors (race, age of use, concurrent alcohol or other substances, etc.) undercut their admittedly "low" Confidence Intervals.

    It's interesting, but weak. I'll do a deeper review.
    Quote from: Mark 79 on March 14, 2022, 12:30:06 PM

    I should also mention that:

    • people die from aspirin, but that doesn't stop us from using it medically

    • the meta-analysis confined itself to chronic use

    So,

    • even if (BIG "if") the article is on target, "low" risk with chronic use may be overcome by huge benefit

    • even if (BIG "if") chronic use has low risk, acute ("recreational") use may even be risk-free.

    I'll add this—MJ is more studied than any drug in the pharmacy and still questions remain, so we have a choice:
    make practices in accord with the preponderance of the best available evidence
    OR
    as the rabies faction here, completely ignore the evidence.

    For the umpteenth time, trying to return to "evidence."
    Logged

    Offline Meg

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 6790
    • Reputation: +3467/-2999
    • Gender: Female
    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #347 on: March 14, 2022, 12:41:05 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!2
    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on March 14, 2022, 10:21:18 AM
    It's kind of bleeding into manichean territory where some things in God's creation can be inherently evil...

    It's not inherently evil, any more than arsensic or digitalis are inherently evil. Both are natural substances, and poisonous. But they can be used for good, in the right situation. But who can doubt that arsenic, a natural substance, has been used for ill-purposes? Just because something is natural, it doesn't mean it's always good. 

    Pot can cause serious side-effects, which will be downplayed or denied by pothead activists. Oh well. 
    Logged
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

    Offline Mark 79

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 12495
    • Reputation: +8275/-1581
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #348 on: March 14, 2022, 12:44:02 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
    • And anti-MJ anti-sede rabid dogs downplay the preponderance of the evidence.
    Logged

    Offline DigitalLogos

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 8304
    • Reputation: +4718/-754
    • Gender: Male
    • Slave to the Sacred Heart
      • Twitter
    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #349 on: March 14, 2022, 12:56:53 PM »
  • Thanks!2
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Meg on March 14, 2022, 12:41:05 PM
    It's not inherently evil, any more than arsensic or digitalis are inherently evil. Both are natural substances, and poisonous. But they can be used for good, in the right situation. But who can doubt that arsenic, a natural substance, has been used for ill-purposes? Just because something is natural, it doesn't mean it's always good.

    Pot can cause serious side-effects, which will be downplayed or denied by pothead activists. Oh well.
    That comparison is just straight up stupid. Pot is not at all comparable to arsenic, not even in the same class. Stop being ridiculous. 
    Logged
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

    Online Pax Vobis

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 12186
    • Reputation: +7695/-2347
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #350 on: March 14, 2022, 12:59:52 PM »
  • Thanks!2
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote
    What is the purpose of smoking marijuana for recreation, confusing the mind?
    1.  Define recreation.
    2.  Define the type of MJ you're talking about.

    What's the purpose of ice cream, getting fat?
    What's the purpose of a living room couch, slothfulness?
    What's the purpose of a birthday cake, prideful celebrations?
    What's the purpose of a dishwashing machine, laziness?
    What's the purpose of a nice wristwatch, vanity?
    Etc
    Etc
    Etc
    Logged

    Offline Last Tradhican

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 6293
    • Reputation: +3330/-1939
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #351 on: March 14, 2022, 01:04:40 PM »
  • Thanks!2
  • No Thanks!1
    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 14, 2022, 10:18:26 AM
    Your problem is you see sin under every stone.  You always assume the worst case.
    I see an occasion of sin, a big difference my friend. Like I said, we are from two different worlds, different places, having lived totally different lives.

    It is not a sin to allow one's daughter to go out on a "date" with a stranger that the parents have never seen.
    It is not a sin for your children to go with their friends on Summer break to Florida.
    It is not a sin for a husband to go help the neighbors 20 year old daughter whenever she calls
    It is not a sin to have one's daughter clean homes of men.
    It is not a sin to leave your daughter alone to play with boys
    It is not a sin for one's daughter to smoke marijuana at a "party" with "friends" the parents do not even know.
    It is not a sin to leave one's door or garage open at night
    It is not a sin to swim in black water that is home to Gators, Snapping Turtles and venomous snakes.
    It is not a sin to work on electrical appliances with power connected.

    All of these examples are dangerous occasions of sin or physical harm. Whether something is a sin or not isn't the sole determinant of whether it is wise to do. Nature never forgives, we have a fallen nature.


    Logged

    Online Pax Vobis

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 12186
    • Reputation: +7695/-2347
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #352 on: March 14, 2022, 01:12:49 PM »
  • Thanks!3
  • No Thanks!0
    • LT, if you stick to one topic, we might get somewhere.
    Logged

    Offline Last Tradhican

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 6293
    • Reputation: +3330/-1939
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #353 on: March 14, 2022, 01:14:53 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!1
    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 14, 2022, 12:59:52 PM
    1.  Define recreation.
    2.  Define the type of MJ you're talking about.

    What's the purpose of ice cream, getting fat?
    What's the purpose of a living room couch, slothfulness?
    What's the purpose of a birthday cake, prideful celebrations?
    What's the purpose of a dishwashing machine, laziness?
    What's the purpose of a nice wristwatch, vanity?
    Etc
    Etc
    Etc
    You answered a question with questions. I asked first. Think about it more and take a real response to the new thread that I started on the same question/subject.
    Logged

    Offline Last Tradhican

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 6293
    • Reputation: +3330/-1939
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #354 on: March 14, 2022, 01:22:27 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!1
    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 14, 2022, 01:12:49 PM
    LT, if you stick to one topic, we might get somewhere.
    You said about me : "Your problem is you see sin under every stone, you always assume the worst case."  Also your defense of recreational usage of MJ to me has all been about whether it is a sin or not.  So I am just responding to the topic that you brought up and  I even responded with examples. It is you that made the subject and I responded. Recreational marijuana usage is even in one of my examples. It is all related:


    Quote
    All of these examples are dangerous occasions of sin or physical harm. Whether something is a sin or not isn't the sole determinant of whether it is wise to do. Nature never forgives, we have a fallen nature.

    Logged

    Online Pax Vobis

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 12186
    • Reputation: +7695/-2347
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #355 on: March 14, 2022, 01:32:21 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
    • A dangerous/proximate occasion to sin = a sin.  Smoking MJ could be a proximate occasion to sin, or not, just like alcohol.  Depends on the person/circuмstance.

    Your problem is you can't accept the idea of "it depends", which is the basis for moral theology.  You're looking for a 'yes or no'.  That's not reality.
    Logged

    Offline Last Tradhican

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 6293
    • Reputation: +3330/-1939
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #356 on: March 14, 2022, 01:40:38 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!1
    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 14, 2022, 01:32:21 PM
    A dangerous/proximate occasion to sin = a sin.  Smoking MJ could be a proximate occasion to sin, or not, just like alcohol.  Depends on the person/circuмstance.

    Your problem is you can't accept the idea of "it depends", which is the basis for moral theology.  You're looking for a 'yes or no'.  That's not reality.
    Your idea of idea of "it depends, which is the basis for moral theology", is good for nothing in all of those real world examples I gave you, sooner or later all of those people will fall if they keep tempting nature. To be blunt, the daughters of all the parents who tempt fate with those occasions I posted, will sooner or later be seduced. Specially if MJ and alcohol is involved. That's my personal experience.
    Logged

    Online Pax Vobis

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 12186
    • Reputation: +7695/-2347
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #357 on: March 14, 2022, 01:47:40 PM »
  • Thanks!3
  • No Thanks!0
    • We're talking ONLY about MJ, not dating, not your daughters, not women, not men, not parties, not marriage, etc, etc.  For the 2nd time, if you stay on topic, we might get somewhere.
    Logged

    Offline Gloria Tibi Domine

    • Supporter
    • *
    • Posts: 137
    • Reputation: +109/-69
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #358 on: March 14, 2022, 02:00:37 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!1

    • Right DL, not real catholic of you to be partial to Mark 79 and not "sanction" his rotten comments.

    Your tactic of intimidation isn't working.   As for my statement, Double.  


    Quote from: Gloria Tibi Domine on Yesterday at 10:09:00 PM
    Quote
    Mark 79, you are truly rotten. Let the vaccination start with you. No justification for your response to LT-except that you don't like the response.
    In your case, I support mandatory vaccination.

    :facepalm: title=facepalm Cursing people eh? Not real Catholic of you.

    "And whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council. And whosoever shall say, Thou Fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."
    [Matthew 5:22]
    Logged

    Offline Mark 79

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 12495
    • Reputation: +8275/-1581
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #359 on: March 14, 2022, 02:03:01 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 14, 2022, 01:04:40 PM
    I see an occasion of sin.…

    Your illogic demands that we return to doctors examining and treating only fully clothed patients, never undressing them even for surgery. After all, seeing even an ankle definitely leads to fornication. Even clothed patients are problematic because a pretty face can be attractive, so let's demand that doctors only examine and treat from afar only patients veiled and in hijabs.

    :facepalm:



    Uh oh! Never mind. Those eyes are looking pretty sexy.

    Best that nobody sees anyone ever.

    You see, there is a place for absolutism, but you have misplaced your hysterical rabid absolutism.
    Logged
    Pages: 1 ... 22 23 [24] 25 26 ... 38
    « previous next »