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Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
« Reply #315 on: March 14, 2022, 09:47:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 14, 2022, 09:25:38 AM
    MJ laws don't stop anyone from getting it, just like guns laws don't stop criminals.  MJ isn't inherently evil, just like guns aren't.
    There's the irony. Owning something that's only purpose is to kill is completely moral, or, at worst amoral. But using a substance that is less harmful than tobacco is inherently immoral. :clown:
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #316 on: March 14, 2022, 10:13:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 14, 2022, 08:16:15 AM
    Open your eyes, think Catholic.  "Those who do not heed the lessons of history, are doomed to repeat it."

    In Jorge Satanyana's case, think "never married… friendships with people who were openly ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and bisɛҳuąƖ… aesthetic Catholic… didn't want to be buried in consecrated land… buried in the Pantheon…."  So "Catholic." 
    :jester:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Santayana

    Apt source for you with your absent understanding of Catholic moral theology, but keep trying.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #317 on: March 14, 2022, 10:18:26 AM »
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    What is the purpose of smoking marijuana, confusing the mind?
    Your problem is you see sin under every stone.  You always assume the worst case. 
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #318 on: March 14, 2022, 10:21:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 14, 2022, 10:18:26 AM
    Your problem is you see sin under every stone.  You always assume the worst case.
    It's kind of bleeding into manichean territory where some things in God's creation can be inherently evil...
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #319 on: March 14, 2022, 11:00:25 AM »
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    In your case, I support mandatory vaccination.
    Come on, Mark, lighten up.  This is uncalled for.  You're having a disagreement on the internet with a fellow catholic, LastTrad, who is a good guy.  If you can't have a passionate debate without giving into sins of hatred/anger, then you should stop posting.  
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #320 on: March 14, 2022, 11:12:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 14, 2022, 11:00:25 AM
    Come on, Mark, lighten up.  This is uncalled for.  You're having a disagreement on the internet with a fellow catholic, LastTrad, who is a good guy.  If you can't have a passionate debate without giving into sins of hatred/anger, then you should stop posting. 
    I thought it was an apt and funny jibe. Since he repeatedly tried to bring my children into his rabid rage, I think he remains a fair target and not at all "a good guy."

    As for Meg, no hypocrisy, it is she who first and publicly announced the information about her husband. I noticed her family life proclamation and her shrew personality, so merely did the math: 2+2=4.

    Our Lord called Pharisees "swine" and worse. I think I am in good company to insult the Pharisees who tout their alleged Catholicity with beams in their eyes.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #321 on: March 14, 2022, 11:20:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on March 14, 2022, 11:12:08 AM
    I thought it was an apt and funny jibe. Since he repeatedly tried to bring my children into his rabid rage, I think he remains a fair target and not at all "a good guy."

    As for Meg, it is she who first publicly provided the information about her husband. I noticed her family life proclamation and her shrew personality, so merely note that 2+2=4.

    Our Lord called Pharisees "swine" and worse. I think I am in good company to insult the Pharisees who tout their alleged Catholicity with beams in their eyes

    No is allowed to disagree with you. You are a bully. And, I suspect, a liberal. 

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #322 on: March 14, 2022, 11:24:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 14, 2022, 11:20:53 AM
    No is allowed to disagree with you. You are a bully. And, I suspect, a liberal.
    Meg, don't play that card. You play the same one in sede threads when your arguments fail to hold water.

    Mark has provided a solid argument for his position which has been met with scorn and strawmen. He hasn't advocated for degenerate usage, and attacks (from both sides) on one's state in life and character are uncharitable and anti-Christ.
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #323 on: March 14, 2022, 11:24:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 14, 2022, 11:20:53 AM
    No is allowed to disagree with you. You are a bully. And, I suspect, a liberal.
    You are welcome to disagree with me and anyone else. That does not insulate you from due criticism.

    Fending off your bitchiness, calumnies, straw man arguments, and willful ignorance does not make me a bully.

    Oh my! A "liberal"?  [breaks into tears]
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #324 on: March 14, 2022, 11:26:48 AM »
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    • An article which shows the possible sides effects of pot, titled:

    "Marijuana may cause impairment even when not high. New analysis of previous research finds that many of the learning and memory problems caused by cannibis consumption can linger for weeks." 

    Marijuana use may cause cognitive impairment even when no longer high (nbcnews.com)
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #325 on: March 14, 2022, 11:32:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 14, 2022, 08:16:15 AM
    That is what they said about abortion and now they have killed just in the USA over 60 million since they made it legal.

    They create the problem, created a drug mafia which they control and give the appearance of fighting, so they can implant their solution, have everybody high and happy so they can be controlled.

    Open your eyes, think Catholic.  "Those who do not heed the lessons of history, are doomed to repeat it."

    I agree. Abortion activists say that illegal abortions (if abortion were made illegal) would only cause more women to die because of the number of 'botched' abortions would increase.

    But some here think that pot is perfectly safe, almost a miracle drug. I don't believe it, no matter how many mainstream liberals and their sources promote it.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #326 on: March 14, 2022, 11:35:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on March 14, 2022, 11:24:13 AM
    Meg, don't play that card. You play the same one in sede threads when your arguments fail to hold water.

    Mark has provided a solid argument for his position which has been met with scorn and strawmen. He hasn't advocated for degenerate usage, and attacks (from both sides) on one's state in life and character are uncharitable and anti-Christ.

    If you were not a sede, would you really have that opinion? Whatever our beloved pet theories are, we should be allowed to disagree. Even strongly. No amount of argument will convince a sede that sedeism may be wrong. It's the same with pot use, evidently. There's nothing traditional about pot use. Only a pretense of it.  

    I believe that Mark 79 is a bully and a brute, and that's not likely to change. 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #327 on: March 14, 2022, 11:39:45 AM »
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    • Quote from: Gloria Tibi Domine on March 13, 2022, 10:09:00 PM
    No, Mark 79, I do not support medical pot. I do not support recreational pot. If church teaching states that using pot in itself isn't sinful, that does not mean I have to support legalizing pot. I live in the real world, not the textbook, where using pot has consequences. Immorality, loose morals and social problems accompany pot use. Your own job prohibits it. The military, civil service jobs prohibit pot use. I don't need studies to confirm experience. LT is on the money. At best, you are naive about the harm pot use does to society one soul at a time.


    Mark 79, you are truly rotten. Let the vaccination start with you. No justification for your response to LT-except that you don't like the response.
    In your case, I support mandatory vaccination.

    I agree. Sad that your post got five downvotes, but I suspect that it's from Mark 79's fellow sedes. They don't want their boy to be 'dissed. 

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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #328 on: March 14, 2022, 11:52:20 AM »
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    • Unclear why you'd use NBC News as your serious evidence.

    I found the relevant article.  No surprise that NBC News sensationalizes a rather weak article.

    I'll do a deeper review, but my preliminary read finds that the "meta-analysis" makes a great show talking about THC as a CB1 agonist, but both pure THC and whole plant MJ stimulate all the endocannabinoid receptors (though in greatly varying degrees), some of which counterbalance CB1 effects. Then throughout the paper the authors mention "CB1 agonist," but do not make clear whether they used a pharmaceutical or the plant or both. I have already mentioned that MJ patients consistently report inferior benefit from pharmaceutical monotherapies.

    The study also confesses the "heterogeneity" of the subjects involved, so admit that the subjects and their dosages were so diverse that numerous confounding factors (race, age of use, concurrent alcohol or other substances, etc.) undercut their admittedly "low" Confidence Intervals.

    It's interesting, but weak. I'll do a deeper review.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #329 on: March 14, 2022, 11:53:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 14, 2022, 11:39:45 AM
    I agree. Sad that your post got five downvotes, but I suspect that it's from Mark 79's fellow sedes. They don't want their boy to be 'dissed.

    Right. MJ is actually a sede issue.


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