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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
« Reply #225 on: March 10, 2022, 10:46:27 PM »
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
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  • Mark 79, here is your proof. Your own quotes below! Maybe you should ask your job why they test for pot users and show them your PEER REVIEWED EVEIDENCE. Typical crypto Jєω, always using studies to contradict reality and push their agenda.:laugh1::fryingpan:


    I have put my MJ evidence "on the table" in the relevant thread. If you think you can provide peer-reviewed evidence to support your gratuitous opinion, put yours on the table in the relevant thread. Quickly, because I am holding my breath. :laugh2: title=laugh2

    If I didn't have a job that requires testing, I would probably try MJ occasionally. :laugh1:Pathetic. 
    Are you unable to move MJ talk to the dead horse MJ thread?

    In other words, you have no peer-reviewed evidence.

    Will you also justify the laws from the same nation that gave you sodomite marriage and perpetual war and mandates for deadly gene therapy mandates?

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
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  • How timely.



    On September 11, 1973, Chile ridded itself of the Communist Allende regime.

    16 years later, the man who got rid of the Godless communists in Chile, Gen. Augusto Pinochet, freely handed over power to a "democratically elected" leftist.

    Fast forward 32 years.

    Yesterday, the first so-called same-sex marriages occurred in Chile.

    Today, a "democratically elected" Marxist millennial becomes president of the country.

    At this point, this formerly 95%+ Catholic country is anything but.

    :facepalm:

    :'(


    By GloriaTibiDomine's illogic, Chile is doing just fine. After all, it's the law. :laugh2:

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #228 on: March 11, 2022, 09:32:59 PM »
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  • Youtube has deplatformed Russians.  Here is a different link to the video
    https://tinyurl.com/2wbbd4pw
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #229 on: March 11, 2022, 09:42:38 PM »
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  • Your best evidence is interviews of anti-MJ activists? It's Reefer Madness 2022. :laugh2:

    Twits.

    Here, once again, is a tiny fraction of the peer-reviewed evidence against their anecdotes and gratuitous nonsense:



    Start here, my bibliography for a series of 8 articles I wrote about medical marijuana in 2010-2011 when it was an issue in our state:

    Important reviews
    University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
    http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
    Review on clinical studies with cannabis and cannabinoids 2005-2009. Hazecamp A and Grotenhermen F. Cannabinoids 2010;5(special issue):1-21.
    www.cannabis-med.org/data/pdf/en_2010_01_special.pdf
    Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
    http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
    Emerging Clinical Applications for Cannabis and Cannabinoids: A Review of the Recent Scientific Literature, 2000 – 2010. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010.
    http://norml.org/pdf_files/NORML_Clinical_Applications_for_Cannabis_and_Cannabinoids.pdf
    Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base. National Academy of Science Institute of Medicine, 1999
    http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376
    popularized in: Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=R1
    AIDS/HIV
    University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
    http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
    Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7485
    “Marijuana and AIDS” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=86
    ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's Disease)
    Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS)
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7004
    Alzheimer's Disease
    Alzheimer's Disease
    http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7003
    Cachexia. Wasting syndrome
    See sections 3.1 and 3.2 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
    http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
    Cancer
    Gliomas/Cancer
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7008
    “Marijuana and Cancer” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=95
    Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®). National Cancer Institute. 2011.
    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page1
    Cardiovascular disease
    The Potential for Clinical Use of Cannabinoids in Treatment
    of Cardiovascular Diseases. Durst R and Lotan C. Cardiovascular Therapeutics 2011 Feb;29(1):17-22. doi: 10.1111/j.1755-5922.2010.00233.x. Epub 2010 Oct 14.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20946323
    The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in cardiovascular disease. Pacher P, Steffens S. Semin Immunopathol. 2009 Jun;31(1):63-77. Epub 2009 Apr 9.
    http://www.springerlink.com/content/a04103g160h16450/fulltext.pdf
    Cannabinoid receptors in atherosclerosis. Steffens S, Mach F. Curr Opin Lipidol. 2006 Oct;17(5):519-26.
    http://journals.lww.com/co-lipidology/Abstract/2006/10000/Cannabinoid_receptors_in_atherosclerosis.5.aspx
    Cannabinoid receptors in acute and chronic complications of atherosclerosis. Mach F, Montecucco F, Steffens S. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 January; 153(2): 290–298.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2219535/pdf/0707517a.pdf
    Endocannabinoids and cannabinoid receptors in ischaemia-reperfusion injury and preconditioning. Pacher P, Haskó G. Br J Pharmacol. 2008 Jan;153(2):252-62. Epub 2007 Nov 19.
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/sj.bjp.0707582/pdf
    The role of the endocannabinoid system in atherosclerosis. Mach F, Steffens S. J Neuroendocrinol. 2008 May;20 Suppl 1:53-7.
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2826.2008.01685.x/pdf
    Cardiovascular Effects of Cannabis | Medicinal Cannabis Information. Independent Drug Monitoring Unit, United Kingdom, undated
    http://www.idmu.co.uk/canncardio.htm
    Crohns Disease
    Gastrointestinal Disorders
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7009
    Endocannabinoid sysytem
    The Endocannabinoid System as an Emerging Target of Pharmacotherapy. National Institute of Health: Pacher P, Bátkai S, Kunos G. Pharmacol Rev. 2006 Sep;58(3):389-462.
    http://pharmrev.aspetjournals.org/content/58/3/389.full.pdf
    Endocrine disease, diabetes
    The emerging role of the endocannabinoid system in endocrine regulation and energy balance. Pagotto U, Marsicano G, Cota D, Lutz B, Pasquali R. Endocr Rev. 2006 Feb;27(1):73-100. Epub 2005 Nov 23.
    http://fk.uwks.ac.id/elib/Arsip/Departemen/Biokimia/The%20Emerging%20Role%20of%20the%20Endocannabinoid%20System.pdf
    Fibromyalgia
    Nabilone for the Treatment of Pain in Fibromyalgia. Skrabek RQ, Galimova L, Ethans K, Perry D. J Pain. 2008 Feb;9(2):164-73. Epub 2007 Nov 5.
    http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:9gDyCVhqJSMJ:files.meetup.com/404848/2008_Nabilone-for-the-Treatment-of-Pain-in-Fibromyalgia.pdf+Nabilone+for+the+Treatment+of+Pain+in+Fibromyalgia&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjFGavzxEJkBjsOj_YyWPHuo5PRG034PLna8X6n3sXGT696PVuaEH15HF07xVpfV10wLPfon8-nZoD0RcJfU6LInnuqHOGpKDECN4oQ6OWBgGgwXWckH2QB31FTn1BZn0KX9U7A&sig=AHIEtbQlDN8uMzxJIm6KKL0POTJdhmbsvg
    Delta-9-THC based monotherapy in fibromyalgia patients on experimentally induced pain, axon reflex flare, and pain relief. Schley M, Legler A, Skopp G, Schmelz M, Konrad C, Rukwied R. Curr Med Res Opin. 2006 Jul;22(7):1269-76.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16834825
    Fibromyalgia
    http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7007
    Glaucoma
    American Glaucoma Society position statement: Marijuana and the treatment of glaucoma. American Glaucoma Society, Prepared by Henry Jampel, M.D., M.H.S., August 10, 2009
    http://www.americanglaucomasociety.net/associations/5224/files/Marijuana%20and%20Glaucoma%20august%2030_BOD%20Approved%2010.23.09.pdf
    Marijuana and Glaucoma” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=124
    Hepatitis C
    Hepatitis C
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7010
    Marijuana effects, drug levels, DUI
    Marijuana effect and delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol plasma level. Chiang CWN and Barnett G. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1984 Aug;36(2):234-8.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6086207
    Contact highs and urinary cannabinoids excretion after passive exposure to marijuana smoke. Cone EJ and Johnson RE. Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics 1986 Sep;40(3):247-56.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3017628
    Do delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol concentrations indicate recent use in chronic cannabis users? Karschner EL, Schwilke EW, Lowe RH, Darwin WD, Pope HG, Herning R, Cadet JL, Huestis MA. Addiction. 2009 Dec;104(12):2041-8. Epub 2009 Oct 5.
    http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1114
    Developing limits for driving under cannabis. Grotenhermen F, Leson G, Berghaus G, Drummer OH, Krüger HP, Longo M, Moskowitz H, Perrine B, Ramaekers JG, Smiley A, Tunbridge R. Addiction 2007 Dec;102(12):1910-7. Epub 2007 Oct 4.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17916224
    Urinary cannabinoid detection times after controlled oral administration of delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol to humans. Gustafson RA, Levine B, Stout PR, Klette KL, George MP, Moolchan ET, Huestis MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1114-24.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12816908
    Editorial: Practical Challenges to Positive Drug Tests for Marijuana. ElSohly MA. Clin Chem. 2003 Jul;49(7):1037-8.
    http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1037
    Dose related risk of motor vehicle crashes after cannabis use. Ramaekers JG, Berghaus G, van Laar M, Drummer OH. Drug Alcohol Depend. 2004 Feb 7;73(2):109-19.
    http://www.ukcia.org/research/DoseRelatedRiskOfCrashes.pdf
    Tolerance and cross-tolerance to neurocognitive effects of THC and alcohol in heavy cannabis users. Ramaekers JG, Theunissen EL, de Brouwer M, Toennes SW, Moeller MR, Kauert G. Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2011 Mar;214(2):391-401. Epub 2010 Oct 30.
    http://www.cannabistherapyinstitute.com/bills/dui/raemakers.etal.pdf
    Cannabis and Driving: A Scientific and Rational Review. Armentano P. NORML Foundation, Washington DC 2010
    http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7459
    Sex differences in the effects of marijuana on simulated driving performance. Anderson BM, Rizzo M, Block RI, Pearlson GD, O'Leary DS. J Psychoactive Drugs. 2010 Mar;42(1):19-30.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3033009/
    Effects of THC on driving performance, physiological state and subjective feelings relative to alcohol. Ronen A, Gershon P, Drobiner H, Rabinovich A, Bar-Hamburger R, Mechoulam R, Cassuto Y, Shinar D. Accid Anal Prev. 2008 May;40(3):926-34. Epub 2007 Nov 26.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18460360
    Muscle Spasms
    Dystonia
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7006
    “Marijuana and Muscle Spasticity” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=106
    Nausea
    See sections 3.1 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
    http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
    Pain
    University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research—2010 Report to the Legislature
    http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/images/pdfs/CMCR_REPORT_FEB17.pdf
    Chronic Pain
    http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7786
    “Marijuana and Pain” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=77#
    Post traumatic Stress Disorder
    Cannabinoid receptor activation in the basolateral amygdala blocks the effects of stress on the conditioning and extinction of inhibitory avoidance. Ganon-Elazar E, Akirav I. J Neurosci. 2009 Sep 9;29(36):11078-88.
    http://www.jneurosci.org/content/29/36/11078.full.pdf+html
    [Extinction of emotional response as a novel approach of pharmacotherapy of anxiety disorders]. Lehner M, Wisłowska-Stanek A, Płaznik A. Psychiatr Pol. 2009 Nov-Dec;43(6):639-53.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20209877
    The Use of a Synthetic Cannabinoid in the Management of Treatment‐Resistant Nightmares in Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Fraser GA. CNS Neurosci Ther. 2009 Winter;15(1):84-8.
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1755-5949.2008.00071.x/pdf
    Public policy
    Harm reduction-the cannabis paradox. Melamede R. Harm Reduct J. 2005 Sep 22;2:17.
    http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/pdf/1477-7517-2-17.pdf
    Seizures
    See sections 3.7 of Cannabinoids in medicine: A review of their therapeutic potential. Amar MB. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 105 (2006) 1–25.
    http://www.ucla.edu.ve/dmedicin/departamentos/fisiologia/cannabinoidsRevPatologias.pdf
    “Marijuana and Neurological Disorders” in Marijuana As Medicine? – The Science Behind the Controversy. Mack A and Joy J. National Academy of Science. National Academy Press, Washington DC 2000.
    http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9586&page=115





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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #230 on: March 11, 2022, 10:17:08 PM »
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  • Are you unable to move MJ talk to the dead horse MJ thread?

    In other words, you have no peer-reviewed evidence.

    Will you also justify the laws from the same nation that gave you sodomite marriage and perpetual war and mandates for deadly gene therapy mandates?

    The docuмentary I posted is from Russia.  
    please pray for me

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #231 on: March 12, 2022, 01:46:34 AM »
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  • The docuмentary I posted is from Russia. 
    As I said, interviews with anti-MJ activists.

    Infomercials have more objective information that that so-called "docuмentary."

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #232 on: March 12, 2022, 02:19:43 AM »
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  • As I said, interviews with anti-MJ activists.

    Infomercials have more objective information that that so-called "docuмentary."
    Retard didn't even watch it.  Pot has gotten to ya
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #233 on: March 12, 2022, 02:46:55 AM »
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  • Retard didn't even watch it.  Pot has gotten to ya
    The number of people who think they can read hearts, minds, and souls is increasing.

    I gave the hour long video an honest chance, reviewed each section until the end. I already mentioned the interviews of anti-MJ activists. I had not mentioned the even more laughable content, cherry-picked clips of teenagers. Truly it's a 2022 version of the Reefer Madness movie (Yeah, I watched that one too).

    On the matter of retards—who is the retard?

    (a) The guy who spent a few months reading dozens of peer-reviewed articles (every one of those posted above) including the reviews by the Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Science, and the University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research?

    or

    (b) The guy who has nothing but name-calling, lying accusations of MJ use, and a farcical polemic with anti-MJ advocates and purple-hair, nose-ring teens?

    I was quite clear that I do NOT use MJ. I endorse its appropriate medical use and I tolerate its appropriate recreational use, as with alcohol. Some people (e.g., mentally unstable people, people with substance abuse problems) should not use either MJ or alcohol.  So, it isn't "pot" that has "gotten to me"; it is people who cannot back up their opinions that have "gotten to me." 


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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #234 on: March 12, 2022, 10:44:30 AM »
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  • Retard didn't even watch it.  Pot has gotten to ya
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    But I say to you, that whosoever is angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgment. And whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council. And whosoever shall say, Thou Fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 
    Matthew 5:22

    I recant many opinions on the crisis in the Church and moral theology that I have espoused on here from at least 2019-2021 don't take my postings from that time as well as 2022 possibly too seriously.

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #235 on: March 12, 2022, 10:46:50 AM »
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  • The number of people who think they can read hearts, minds, and souls is increasing.

    I gave the hour long video an honest chance, reviewed each section until the end. I already mentioned the interviews of anti-MJ activists. I had not mentioned the even more laughable content, cherry-picked clips of teenagers. Truly it's a 2022 version of the Reefer Madness movie (Yeah, I watched that one too).

    On the matter of retards—who is the retard?

    (a) The guy who spent a few months reading dozens of peer-reviewed articles (every one of those posted above) including the reviews by the Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Science, and the University of California Center for Medical Cannabis Research?

    or

    (b) The guy who has nothing but name-calling, lying accusations of MJ use, and a farcical polemic with anti-MJ advocates and purple-hair, nose-ring teens?

    I was quite clear that I do NOT use MJ. I endorse its appropriate medical use and I tolerate its appropriate recreational use, as with alcohol. Some people (e.g., mentally unstable people, people with substance abuse problems) should not use either MJ or alcohol.  So, it isn't "pot" that has "gotten to me"; it is people who cannot back up their opinions that have "gotten to me."

    Pulling the "I'm smarter than everyone else in the room" thing doesn't really make as good a case as you might think. 

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #236 on: March 12, 2022, 11:30:30 AM »
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  • Pulling the "I'm smarter than everyone else in the room" thing doesn't really make as good a case as you might think.

    Pulling the "I know what is in your heart, mind, and soul" thing doesn't really make as good a case as you might think.

    Pulling the "offering farcical videos" thing doesn't really make as good a case as you might think.

    Pulling the "because Meg says so" thing doesn't really make as good a case as you might think.

    Overcome your ill-will and dyslexia. I never claimed to be smarter, only that I put in the work and I consulted better evidence than activists and purple-haired/nose-ringed teens. 

    If you cared to read and comprehend, you see in this thread that doing the work to find better evidence overcame my initial opinion.


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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #237 on: March 12, 2022, 12:33:01 PM »
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  • Pulling the "I know what is in your heart, mind, and soul" thing doesn't really make as good a case as you might think.

    Pulling the "offering farcical videos" thing doesn't really make as good a case as you might think.

    Pulling the "because Meg says so" thing doesn't really make as good a case as you might think.

    Overcome your ill-will and dyslexia. I never claimed to be smarter, only that I put in the work and I consulted better evidence than activists and purple-haired/nose-ringed teens.

    If you cared to read and comprehend, you see in this thread that doing the work to find better evidence overcame my initial opinion.

    You do not overtly claim to be smarter. But you claim that your studies put an end to all debate. No one is more intelligent than you are on the subject, isn't that correct? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #238 on: March 12, 2022, 12:53:27 PM »
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  • You do not overtly claim to be smarter. But you claim that your studies put an end to all debate. No one is more intelligent than you are on the subject, isn't that correct?
    Are you dyslexic? Or a habitual liar? Importantly those are not "my" studies, they are studies in which several hundred physicians and researchers participated—the work of hundreds over decades. If you want to impugn the dozens of studies I have cited, impugning me does not undercut even one of those studies. To make your case, you need to offer counter-evidence.

    Quote verbatim and link precisely where I "claim that ['my'] studies put an end to all debate."

    I have repeatedly called for substantive counter-evidence from you and the other anti-MJ zealots.

    If the "debate was over," I wouldn't ask for counter-evidence. Evidence made me change my opinion the first time. Stronger counter-evidence could prompt me once again to revise my opinion.

    So far, that counter-evidence ( :laugh2: 'scuuze me for laughing again :laugh2: ) consists of gratuitous assertions, a farcical video, and…[drum roll]… you, Meg, professing that you know the true intent of medical patients. You cannot read their minds, hearts, and souls. You are an ill-willed fraud.

    Besides my lengthy and detailed review of the literature, I have spoken with hundreds of medical MJ patients. Each has suffered for years, even decades, and they are thankful and blessed to have some relief in this life. You are wicked to impugn them.

    Your "not overtly" dodge infers that you imagine that you can read my "covert" purpose. In other words, you persist in imagining that you can read my heart, mind, and soul. Your presumption of such a charism is laughable and likely damaging in your home.

    If you insist on making personal attacks, don't expect that I will not make such honest observations.

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #239 on: March 12, 2022, 01:00:47 PM »
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  • Are you dyslexic? Or a habitual liar? Importantly those are not "my" studies, they are studies in which several hundred physicians and researchers participated—the work of hundreds over decades. If you want to impugn the dozens of studies I have cited, impugning me does not undercut even one of those studies. To make your case, you need to offer counter-evidence.

    Quote verbatim and link precisely where I "claim that ['my'] studies put an end to all debate."

    I have repeatedly called for substantive counter-evidence from you and the other anti-MJ zealots.

    If the "debate was over," I wouldn't ask for counter-evidence. Evidence made me change my opinion the first time. Stronger counter-evidence could prompt me once again to revise my opinion.

    So far, that counter-evidence ( :laugh2: 'scuuze me for laughing again :laugh2: ) consists of gratuitous assertions, a farcical video, and…[drum roll]… you, Meg, professing that you know the true intent of medical patients. You cannot read their minds, hearts, and souls. You are an ill-willed fraud.

    Your "not overtly" dodge infers that you imagine that you can read my "covert" purpose. In other words, you persist in imagining that you can read my heart, mind, and soul. Your presumption of such a charism is laughable and likely damaging in your home.

    If you insist on making personal attacks, don't expect that I will not make such honest observations.

    When have I said that I know the true intent of medical patients? Aren't you the one who thinks you know the true intent?

    When you say that you've spoken to hundreds of MJ patients, how does that work, exactly? You must have been paid to do so. By whom, may I ask? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29