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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
« Reply #210 on: January 04, 2022, 02:43:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 04, 2022, 02:37:34 PM
    Repent of your promotion of recreational use of MJ on the internet…

    Lying again, Rabbi.

    I advocate ("promote") appropriate and judicious medical use of marijuana.

    I do NOT advocate ("promote") recreational use of marijuana (or alcohol). I TOLERATE such recreational use in NORMAL people.

    Repent your Pharisaism.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #211 on: January 04, 2022, 03:06:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 04, 2022, 02:37:34 PM
    Repent of your promotion of recreational use of MJ on the internet, ...

    You have him confused for me.  :laugh1:  Mark was referring to medical uses.

    I am the one who said that a very tiny (as in micro-dose) of MJ might not be a sin in and of itself ... any more than it might be to drink a little wine to get tipsy and "bring joy to the heart of man" ... absent extrinsic considerations such as jeopardizing your job or breaking the law.  We're not Puritan Protestants here.  Nevertheless, there's a difference between correctly understanding the moral principles involve and "promoting" it.  If I wanted to promote something for relaxation, pain, and anxiety ... that does NOT have any mind-altering effects ... then it would be Kratom.  People use it for managing chronic pain, minimizing withdrawal symptoms after an opiate addiction, extreme anxiety, and it can even help people with addictions to impurity (since it binds to some of the same receptors that cause various types of addictions).  God created these things, and Kratom is a Godsend.  God created so many different medicines that have been derived from nature.  And God also created MJ.  How exactly is it wrong to take MJ for medical reasons but it's OK to take opiates?
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #212 on: January 04, 2022, 03:22:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 04, 2022, 03:06:27 PM
    You have him confused for me.  :laugh1:  Mark was referring to medical uses.

    Quote from: Mark 79 on December 31, 2021, 02:51:40 PM

    Recreationally, I'd rather see someone smoke MJ than drink alcohol. In no rational world is that a call for anyone lay around smoking weed all day and then spend all night at an orgy.



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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #213 on: January 04, 2022, 03:25:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on January 04, 2022, 02:43:48 PM
    Lying again, Rabbi.

    I advocate ("promote") appropriate and judicious medical use of marijuana.

    I do NOT advocate ("promote") recreational use of marijuana (or alcohol). I TOLERATE such recreational use in NORMAL people.

    Repent your Pharisaism.
    Is it just an oversight that you didn't post my entire quote?:


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    Repent of your promotion of recreational use of MJ on the internet, it will confuse people to use it and destroy their lives, just as it has been doing through all of history.

    "Those who fail to heed the lessons of history, are doomed to repeat it".

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    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #214 on: January 04, 2022, 03:27:47 PM »
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    • As I said, morally AND cognitively disordered.

    I have clearly stated and provided evidence that alcohol is more toxic than MJ.

    Why wouldn't I "rather" a less toxic over a more toxic alternative.

    None of that is "promoting" recreational use, only more willing to tolerate a less toxic choice than a toxic choice.

    Sad to say, you have come to a moral and intellectual battle completely disarmed, Rabbi.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #215 on: January 04, 2022, 03:29:05 PM »
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    • Jone's Moral Theology:

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    Since morphine, opium, chloroform and similar
    drugs can also deprive one of the use of his reason temporarily,
    that which was said of intoxicating drinks holds
    also for narcotics (Cf. 165, 4).

    To use narcotics in small quantities and only
    occasionally, is a venial sin if done without a sufficient
    reason. Any proportionately good reason justifies their
    use, e.g., to calm the nerves, dispel insomnia, etc.
    Such use becomes gravely sinful if it creates an habitual craving
    for "dope" which is more difficult to overcome than dipsomania
    and more injurious to health.

    To use drugs in greater quantities so as to lose
    the use of one's reason is in itself a mortal sin; but for
    a good reason it is permissible.

    Such a good reason is had in case of operations, i.e., that the
    patient be rendered insensible to intense pain, or that one might
    remain calm under the knife. In like manner one may administer
    opiates to one who is suffering greatly in order to alleviate his pain.

    So there's a proportionality between the degree of loss of reason vs. justifications for taking them.

    Total loss of reason can be justified for serious reason, e.g. intense pain, hospitalization, etc.

    Slight loss of reason can be justified for less serious reasons, such as "calming the nerves".

    Many medical conditions fall between these two extremes.  So there's a proportionality; the closer you get to complete loss of reason the more serious a justification that is required.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #216 on: January 04, 2022, 03:30:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 04, 2022, 03:25:56 PM
    Is it just an oversight that you didn't post my entire quote?:
    Nothing in your rationalization mitigates your lie.

    Whatever your excuse, I do NOT promote recreational use.

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #217 on: January 04, 2022, 03:44:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on January 04, 2022, 03:27:47 PM
    As I said, morally AND cognitively disordered.

    I have clearly stated and provided evidence that alcohol is more toxic than MJ.

    Why wouldn't I "rather" a less toxic over a more toxic alternative.

    None of that is "promoting" recreational use, only more willing to tolerate a less toxic choice than a toxic choice.
    You are promoting recreational use right on this post, but you do not see it? Here is a comparison between what I wrote and what I read above that you wrote about drinking:



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    LT wrote: It is not a sin to have a few drinks every day after work. (But a catholic should strive to forgo the drinks for other healthier and holier means of using their time)


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    Mark79 wrote: Alcohol is more toxic than MJ. Why would anyone not choose a less toxic over a more toxic alternative? 

    I am telling people to strive for that perfection, you are telling them to switch to pot.  You are promoting recreational use of marijuana as a healthy replacement for liquor.


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    Offline Marion

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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #218 on: January 04, 2022, 03:49:14 PM »
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    • Jone even allows a little bit of Sodomy for the right reason.

    :jester:
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #219 on: January 04, 2022, 04:11:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 04, 2022, 03:44:56 PM
    You are promoting recreational use right on this post, but you do not see it? Here is a comparison between what I wrote and what I read above that you wrote about drinking:




    I am telling people to strive for that perfection, you are telling them to switch to pot.  You are promoting recreational use of marijuana as a healthy replacement for liquor.




    Tolerate recreational MJ and alcohol, not promote either.

    Promote appropriate medical use of MJ and alcohol.

    I did not tell anyone to do anything.

    I merely state verifiable facts.

    Stop lying.

    Quote from: Mark 79 on January 04, 2022, 01:30:56 PM

    Yeah, you (plural) are paragons of catholicity.




    More like quintessential Pharisees.



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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #220 on: January 04, 2022, 04:20:14 PM »
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    • Was Jesus' first public miracle performed purely for medicinal purposes?  Asking for a friend. :cowboy:
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #221 on: January 04, 2022, 08:39:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Bonaventure on January 04, 2022, 04:20:14 PM
    Was Jesus' first public miracle performed purely for medicinal purposes?  Asking for a friend. :cowboy:
    That was the miracle of Our Lord turning vases of water into the finest wine at the wedding feast. People have been drinking wine since the time of Adam and Eve, that's like 7200+ years. On the other hand, according to the "gospel" of your friend, he knows better today, and they were wrong, they should have been smoking marijuana instead for it is less toxic.


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    Mark79 wrote: Alcohol is more toxic than MJ. Why would anyone not choose a less toxic over a more toxic alternative?

    Those that fail to heed the lessons of history, are doomed to repeat it.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #222 on: January 04, 2022, 08:50:53 PM »
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    • ra·tion·al·ize | ˈraSHənlˌīz, ˈraSHnəˌlīz | (British also rationalise)
    verb [with object ]
    • attempt to explain or justify (one's own or another's behavior or attitude) with logical, plausible reasons, even if these are not true or appropriate
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #223 on: January 04, 2022, 10:53:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: roscoe on January 04, 2022, 12:48:32 PM
    The above represents NO CHURCH AUTHORITY & is only an opinion. I would like to remind everyone that Charles Manson & OJ Simpson DID NOT SMOKE MARY JUANITA... :popcorn:
    LOL. Yeah, but did the glove fit? :laugh1:

    Come to think of it, that sounds like a nun from childhood, "Sister Mary Juanita," or was it Sister Mary John? Argh. They were pretty much all Sister Mary + another name. ::) 
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #224 on: March 10, 2022, 10:11:52 PM »
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    • Excellent Docuмentary.  I personally know Catholics, even sedes, who have argued that Marijuana legalization/use can be licit for a Catholic.  This docuмentary, by RT News, is very good, as most of their investigations are.  From the Tube description:

    Addiction, mental illness and ѕυιcιdє - the legacy of cannabis legalisation. Marijuana has become as popular, regular and easily accessible as ever. But as more Americans are using cannabis, numerous studies and evidence confirm that consuming marijuana can be dangerous. In 2012, Colorado became one of the first states to legalise marijuana for recreational use. Unfortunately, it led to more cannabis use and addiction, particularly among young people.

    Johnny Stack from Colorado was one of them. He was only 19 when he committed ѕυιcιdє. His parents are convinced marijuana killed him. Johnny was using cannabis wax with high levels of THC, the primary psychoactive compound of marijuana. THC is responsible for giving you high. In the 1970s, marijuana contained 2% THC, modern marijuana has 20-25% THC.

    The long-lasting adverse effects of cannabis include addiction and mental illness. Johnny developed psychosis. ‘He just couldn’t stop’, his mother says. RT Docuмentary’s reporter goes to Colorado to see how marijuana legalisation has affected the lives of local people. He meets heartbroken parents whose children died because of marijuana and talks to young people fighting addiction.

    [color=var(--yt-endpoint-color,var(--yt-spec-call-to-action))]0:00[/color] Marijuana legalisation in Colorado
    [color=var(--yt-endpoint-color,var(--yt-spec-call-to-action))]1:55[/color] Schizophrenia and cannabis
    [color=var(--yt-endpoint-color,var(--yt-spec-call-to-action))]3:15[/color] Edibles
    [color=var(--yt-endpoint-color,var(--yt-spec-call-to-action))]4:56[/color] Laura Stack lost her son to marijuana
    [color=var(--yt-endpoint-color,var(--yt-spec-call-to-action))]6:41[/color] Addiction to marijuana
    [color=var(--yt-endpoint-color,var(--yt-spec-call-to-action))]9:03[/color] Gateway drug
    [color=var(--yt-endpoint-color,var(--yt-spec-call-to-action))]10:44[/color] Marijuana-involved ER visits
    [color=var(--yt-endpoint-color,var(--yt-spec-call-to-action))]12:47[/color] Recovery programme Natural Highs
    [color=var(--yt-endpoint-color,var(--yt-spec-call-to-action))]14:30[/color] Effects of marijuana on mental health
    [color=var(--yt-endpoint-color,var(--yt-spec-call-to-action))]15:33[/color] The cost of marijuana legalisation
    [color=var(--yt-endpoint-color,var(--yt-spec-call-to-action))]17:45[/color] Did the black market disappear?
    [color=var(--yt-endpoint-color,var(--yt-spec-call-to-action))]20:26[/color] How marijuana works
    [color=var(--yt-endpoint-color,var(--yt-spec-call-to-action))]24:16[/color] The next smoking industry


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