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Offline Last Tradhican

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Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
« Reply #195 on: January 04, 2022, 12:39:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 04, 2022, 11:29:58 AM
    You added the "potent" part in there as a strawan.  Clearly the principle is that it IS a grave sin to lose control of your reason without grave justification, and that it's a venial sin to slightly lose control without proportionate justification. 
    What I wrote I thought could not be any clearer, but, I'll highlight the principle for you and any others that that did not completely understand the principle. I will add in red to explain the examples :



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    It is not about at what point some action first turns into a minor venial sin, or a medium venial sin, or a bad venial sin approaching a minor mortal sin, or a minor mortal sin..... It is about seeking perfection.


    Those two quotes above should be sufficient to answer the question of whether a Catholic can use marijuana for recreational use and all the secular docuмents to the contrary are as nothing. That is why I do not waste my time studying error, it is legion, while the truth is one.

    It is not a sin to not do the rosary every day (But a Catholic (BAC ) should strive towards doing at least one Mystery a day)
    It is not a sin not to go to mass on weekdays (BAC should strive to go every day)
    It is not a sin to arrive late to mass and leave after the Ite. (BAC should strive arrive early to do the rosary &pre-mass prayers, and stay after mass for thanksgiving prayers)
    It is not a sin to not wear a suit and tie to mass (BAC should strive to wear a suit and a tie)
    It is not a sin to wear jeans, t-shirts, flip flops, tank tops, sneakers, to dress bummy to (BAC should strive to wear a suit and a tie)
    It is not a sin to wear a dress that is a few inches above the knee (BAC lady should strive to wear the clothes that Our Lady would approve of. )
    It is not a sin to use NFP to have two children (BAC should strive to have the children God sends them or practice celibacy)
    It is not a sin to have a few drinks every day after work. (BAC should forgo the drinks for other healthier and holier means of using their time)
    It is not a sin to take a toke off of a potent MJ. [ A potency equivalent to having a few drinks every day after work, which is what I assume Mark79 is advocating, he'll have to clear that up. Good luck finding such a person! - (BAC should forgo the tokes for other healthier and holier means of using their time)]
    It is not a sin to send one's children to a public school - (BAC should strive to send their children to a good Catholic school or homeschool.)
    It is not a sin to go to the Novus Ordo (BAC should strive to go to the traditional mass and holy priests.)

    Living the faith goes way beyond the base avoidance of venial sin, it is about seeking perfection. Recreational smoking of marijuana is plebian, trite, vulgar, and uninspired.


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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #196 on: January 04, 2022, 12:48:32 PM »
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    • The above represents NO CHURCH AUTHORITY & is only an opinion. I would like to remind everyone that Charles Manson & OJ Simpson DID NOT SMOKE MARY JUANITA... :popcorn:
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #197 on: January 04, 2022, 01:06:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: G. K. Chesterton, Defensor Fidei, “On American Morals”
    I remember once receiving two American interviewers on the same afternoon; there was a box of cigars in front of me and I offered one to each in turn. Their reaction (as they would probably call it) was very curious to watch. The first journalist stiffened suddenly and silently and declined in a very cold voice. He could not have conveyed more plainly that I had attempted to corrupt an honorable man with a foul and infamous indulgence; as if I were the Old Man of the Mountain offering him hashish that would turn him into an assassin. The second reaction was even more remarkable. The second journalist first looked doubtful; then looked sly; then seemed to glance about him nervously, as if wondering whether we were alone, and then said with a sort of crestfallen and covert smile: "Well, Mr. Chesterton, I'm afraid I have the habit."

    As I also have the habit, and have never been able to imagine how it could be connected with morality or immorality, I confess that I plunged with him deeply into an immoral life. [...]

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    I would therefore venture to say to Miss Avis Carlson that the quarrel in question does not arise from the Yankee Puritans having too much morality, but from their having too little. It does not arise from their drawing too hard and fast a line of distinction between right and wrong, but from their being much to loose and indistinct. They go by associations and not by abstractions. Therefore they classify smoking with vamping or a flask in the pocket with sin in the soul. I hope at least that some of the Fundamentalists will succeed in being a little more fundamental than this. [...]
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #198 on: January 04, 2022, 01:21:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 04, 2022, 12:39:05 PM
    What I wrote I thought could not be any clearer, but, ...

    And what I wrote was clear as well, that perfection (the evangelical counsel, etc.) are not binding under pain of sin.  To conflate this as an unnecessary distinction is contrary to everything the Church has ever taught.  Nor is it an imperfection, for instance, to drink a little wine.  Nor only did Our Lord do it, but He made it the matter for the Holy Mass.  Of course, the Prots claim that it was really grape juice.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #199 on: January 04, 2022, 01:30:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 04, 2022, 11:19:25 AM
    I have said it all along, … [blah, blah, blah] … No Catholic … [blah, blah, blah] … The reason why Catholics who really live the faith … [blah, blah, blah] … Catholics… [blah, blah, blah] … … [blah, blah, blah] … a Catholic… [blah, blah, blah] … It is not a sin … [blah, blah, blah] …

    Yeah, you (plural) are paragons of catholicity.



    More like quintessential Pharisees.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #200 on: January 04, 2022, 01:47:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on January 04, 2022, 01:30:56 PM
    Yeah, you (plural) are paragons of catholicity.



    More like quintessential Pharisees.
    Wow! I am flattered that you would take all that time to put together all that for me. I would never bother losing time like that. Of course it is all just your "convenient" view. 

    Fr. Carl Pulvermacher told us once that one can never lie, even to save the world. I live by that priniciple, and to prove someone right or wrong on a forum by lying, is really puerile. I never think that someone is lying in a discussion, because the subjects are of no importance that I would have to lie, so I assume the person is just mistaken or I misunderstood them.  
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #201 on: January 04, 2022, 01:50:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 04, 2022, 01:47:02 PM
    Wow! I am flattered that you would take all that time to put together all that for me. I would never bother losing time like that. Of course it is all just your "convenient" view.

    Fr. Carl Pulvermacher told us once that one can never lie, even to save the world. I live by that priniciple, and to prove someone right or wrong on a forum by lying, is really puerile. I never think that someone is lying in a discussion, because the subjects are of no importance that I would have to lie, so I assume the person is just mistaken or I misunderstood them. 

    You claimed I said things I never said.

    Such misrepresentation is a species of lie.


    …and certainly gratuitous and sanctimonious denial of 1 accusation make all 18 accusations disappear—right Rabbi?

    In the long run, it is a time-saver to consolidate all your B.S. in one place for later reference.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #202 on: January 04, 2022, 02:02:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 04, 2022, 01:21:04 PM
    And what I wrote was clear as well, that perfection (the evangelical counsel, etc.) are not binding under pain of sin (that's what the examples I gave were for. It is not  sin....).  To conflate this as an unnecessary distinction is contrary to everything the Church has ever taught (my posting was very clear there is nothing to conflate. Moreover I added to it later in red to make it clearer for you) .  Nor is it an imperfection, for instance, to drink a little wine (no kidding? Is that an epiphany?).  Nor only did Our Lord do it, but He made it the matter for the Holy Mass.  Of course, the Prots claim that it was really grape juice. (Why do you feel the need to defend occcasional wine drinking? Perhaps because you drink a little wine every so often and feel like I am stepping on your foot? Who cares?)
    What you wrote was not clear to me. If what you wrote was the above then I agree, with the distinctions above in red.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #203 on: January 04, 2022, 02:06:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 04, 2022, 02:02:05 PM
    What you wrote was not clear to me. If what you wrote was the above then I agree, with the distinctions above in red.

    You Pharisees would do better to correct your own transgressions than to spend so much time scrutinizing, pontificating, and imagining faults in others.

    What business of yours is it whether or not Lad has a glass of wine, Rabbi?

    Quote from: Mark 79 on January 04, 2022, 01:30:56 PM

    Yeah, you (plural) are paragons of catholicity.




    More like quintessential Pharisees.



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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #204 on: January 04, 2022, 02:08:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on January 04, 2022, 01:50:47 PM
    In the long run, it is a time-saver to consolidate all your B.S. in one place for later reference.
    Yes, it is good that you did it, so you can go back and read it from my perspective, that there is no reason to lie about something that means absolutely nothing to me.

    Now, if you came to my house to kill my family and threatened to kill me if I didn't tell you where I hid them, THATS a different story.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #205 on: January 04, 2022, 02:13:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on January 04, 2022, 02:06:33 PM
    You Pharisees would do better to correct your own transgressions than to spend so much time scrutinizing, pontificating, and imagining faults in others.
    Ad-hominems are a good sign to me that something got through.

    The nearer Christ, the Light, comes to a heart, the more it becomes conscious of its faults its imperfections; it will then either turn towards the truth and find peace, or else it will turn against it, because it is not yet ready to give up its loves. 
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #206 on: January 04, 2022, 02:13:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 04, 2022, 02:08:56 PM
    Yes, it is good that you did it, so you can go back and read it from my perspective, that there is no reason to lie about something that means absolutely nothing to me.

    Now, if you came to my house to kill my family and threatened to kill me if I didn't tell you where I hid them, THATS a different story.
    Hilarious!

    Would Fr. Pulvermacher agree that it is OK to lie if something is not important in your perspective?

    Hypocrite. Sanctimoniously proclaim your impeccable honesty only to rationalize misrepresentation in your next breath. Rabbi.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #207 on: January 04, 2022, 02:17:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 04, 2022, 02:13:28 PM
    Ad-hominems are a good sign to me that something got through.
    Yes, I conclude you are a Pharisaical hypocrite.

    You lied, then proudly proclaimed your impeccable honesty, cited your priestly inspiration for your "honesty," then rationalized your lie because you don't consider the matter important (but have spent a few days arguing about this supposedly unimportant-to-you subject).

    You are morally and cognitively disordered, Rabbi.

    Call it ad hominem if you wish. You and your Rebbetzin have earned the appellation, Rabbi.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #208 on: January 04, 2022, 02:30:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on January 04, 2022, 02:17:48 PM
    Yes, I conclude you are a Pharisaical hypocrite.

    You lied, then proudly proclaimed your impeccable honesty, cited your priestly inspiration for your "honesty," then rationalized your lie because you don't consider the matter important (but have spent a few days arguing about this supposedly unimportant-to-you subject).

    You are morally and cognitively disordered, Rabbi.

    Call it ad hominem if you wish. You and your Rebbetzin have earned the appellation, Rabbi.


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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #209 on: January 04, 2022, 02:37:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on January 04, 2022, 02:17:48 PM
    You have earned the appellation, Rabbi.
    Christ was called Rabbi, don't make the mistake of giving that name someone that tells you what you do not want to hear, call them Hypocritical Sanctimonious Rabbi.

    P.S. - By the way, you answered too quick before I was finished with the quote you referenced. Here is what you missed:


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    The nearer Christ, the Light, comes to a heart, the more it becomes conscious of its faults its imperfections; it will then either turn towards the truth and find peace, or else it will turn against it, because it is not yet ready to give up its loves.
    Repent of your promotion of recreational use of MJ on the internet, it will confuse people to use it and destroy their lives, just as it has been doing through all of history.

    "Those who fail to heed the lessons of history, are doomed to repeat it".


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