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Offline Nadir

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Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
« Reply #150 on: January 02, 2022, 11:38:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Clarinha on January 02, 2022, 03:16:27 PM
    I am told that CBD is sinful because it still equates to self-medication. 
    Told by whom?
    Self-medication is sinful? First time I’ve heard this. Do I need to confess this?
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #151 on: January 02, 2022, 11:46:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on January 02, 2022, 04:13:35 PM
    Definitely safer. You won't risk getting a downthumb for disagreeing with the absolute expert on the subject (Mark).
    Meg, I just dt’d you for the plain silliness of referring to DT’s.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #152 on: January 02, 2022, 11:56:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on January 02, 2022, 11:38:15 PM
    Told by whom?
    Self-medication is sinful? First time I’ve heard this. Do I need to confess this?
    Naw I think this argument is especially ridiculous because of the crisis of authority in the medical industry. I want someone to tell me that taking Vitamin D or Zinc is a sin.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #153 on: January 03, 2022, 12:55:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on December 31, 2021, 02:51:40 PM
    Recreationally, I'd rather see someone smoke MJ than drink alcohol. In no rational world is that a call for anyone lay around smoking weed all day and then spend all night at an orgy.
    There is no comparison between today's marijuana and alcohol. Today's marijuana knocks the tar out of you. There is no "social drinking", or a drink to "unwind" at the end of the day, with today's marijuana, there is only getting super smashed.


    P.S.- What I see on this thread is an anonymous man who I know nothing about (Mark79) bullying Meg (who I know from herCI postings since I came here).  Maybe I should just have ignored it, since no one reads this stuff anyways. But, that's just me.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #154 on: January 03, 2022, 08:20:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on January 02, 2022, 06:22:06 PM
    That's the Protestant "throw the baby out with the bath water" game...
    Let me know when you run out of straw.  I know a source that can get it for you cheap.  :jester:
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #155 on: January 03, 2022, 08:42:35 AM »
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    • Comparing casual use of alcohol, like drinking wine with a meal, compared with smoking today's marijuana, is like comparing an Olympic dive pool with a home or hotel pool. In the home/hotel pool a small child could play on the steps, a non-swimmer can stand in the shallow end, and a swimmier can swim across the deep end. In an Olympic diving pool, you only have a deep end 17 foot deep, you either swim, or don't jump in. With marijuana you either get wasted out of your mind or you do not smoke it.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #156 on: January 03, 2022, 08:49:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on December 31, 2021, 01:39:30 PM
    I have a sibling who has been addicted to marijuana for 30 years. I can attest that the above is true. Except that I would add that extreme laziness and lack of motivation to do ANYTHING is one of the main problems with marijuana use. At this time my sibling is in danger of being homeless......again. We've taken him in to live with us several times, but he never changes. He won't give up the pot.
    I didn't read anything on this thread, so I didn't realize that many others said the same thing, like Meg above. Nothing else needed to be said, I'd bet everyone on CI could write 20 different stories like the above about people that they have known. It is called reality, where the rubber meets the road, the real world. Mark79 lives in the manuals and theories, Meg lives in the real world. Mark knows NOTHING about the potency of today's marijuana, that in and of itself dismisses his advocating the use of marijuana for recreation instead of alcohol. 
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #157 on: January 03, 2022, 08:54:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 03, 2022, 08:42:35 AM
    Comparing casual use of alcohol, like drinking wine with a meal, compared with smoking today's marijuana, is like comparing an Olympic dive pool with a home or hotel pool. In the home/hotel pool a small child could play on the steps, a non-swimmer can stand in the shallow end, and a swimmier can swim across the deep end. In an Olympic diving pool, you only have a deep end 17 foot deep, you either swim, or don't jump in. With marijuana you either get wasted out of your mind or you do not smoke it.

    I don't believe that is true.  I've heard of people doing micro-doses, Mark mentioned titration, and I also hear it depends on the strain. Regardless, we're speaking about the moral principles involved, namely, that if you take something that causes you to entirely lose control of your higher faculties, then it's a grave sin to do it without a proportionately serious reason.  This is more a practical consideration, whether it's possible to take a smaller does that does not have this effect.  I believe the answer is yes, and under those circuмstances, a less grave reason would suffice taking it.  There are of course extrinsic considerations are well, such as the legality (assuming it's a just law) and whether you'd jeopardize your job (I would since they do random drug testing at my workplace).  So for me to take even a tiny hit that did not impair my faculties would be a grave sin, since I would be jeopardizing being able to support my family.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #158 on: January 03, 2022, 09:28:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on January 02, 2022, 11:46:04 PM
    Meg, I just dt’d you for the plain silliness of referring to DT’s.

    Hey, whatever makes you happy Nadir. 
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #159 on: January 03, 2022, 09:29:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 03, 2022, 08:49:31 AM
    I didn't read anything on this thread, so I didn't realize that many others said the same thing, like Meg above. Nothing else needed to be said, I'd bet everyone on CI could write 20 different stories like the above about people that they have known. It is called reality, where the rubber meets the road, the real world. Mark79 lives in the manuals and theories, Meg lives in the real world. Mark knows NOTHING about the potency of today's marijuana, that in and of itself dismisses his advocating the use of marijuana for recreation instead of alcohol.

    Thank you LT. 
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #160 on: January 03, 2022, 09:42:43 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 03, 2022, 12:55:18 AM
    There is no comparison between today's marijuana and alcohol. Today's marijuana knocks the tar out of you. There is no "social drinking", or a drink to "unwind" at the end of the day, with today's marijuana, there is only getting super smashed.


    P.S.- What I see on this thread is an anonymous man who I know nothing about (Mark79) bullying Meg (who I know from herCI postings since I came here).  Maybe I should just have ignored it, since no one reads this stuff anyways. But, that's just me.


    Mark79 has always been a bully, but he is lauded for it here, presumably because he's just being a "real man."

    I agree that there's no comparison between pot and alcohol. Pot is also highly addictive nowadays. Not if it was in the 60's and 70's. 
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #161 on: January 03, 2022, 09:45:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on January 03, 2022, 09:28:46 AM
    Hey, whatever makes you happy Nadir.
    What is a DT and a dt'd? 
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #162 on: January 03, 2022, 09:47:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 03, 2022, 09:45:40 AM
    What is a DT and a dt'd?

    Pretty sure it means "downthumb." Apparently, some here think that we aren't supposed to talk about being downthumbed.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #163 on: January 03, 2022, 09:58:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on January 03, 2022, 09:42:43 AM

    Mark79 has always been a bully, but he is lauded for it here, presumably because he's just being a "real man."
    I do not know anything about him likely because what he writes is not a subject that concerns me or I do not need to go deeper on.  I only look into subjects that affect me directly, the health, welfare, and salvation of my family. Whether the VatII popes are popes or Antartica is an alien living place, or the Earth is round or flat has no effect on my family. (on the contrary, those subjects would be stealing precious time from my vocation, my family, like if I watched TV, or had a 6 pack every night. With all the children we have to raise, my wife and I do not have time to waste. For me it is already too much what I post here).

    Bullies are always lauded by people who do not want to be bullied themselves. Unfortunately, the cowards are the majority. The crowd is a terrible thing.
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    Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
    « Reply #164 on: January 03, 2022, 10:03:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on January 03, 2022, 09:47:53 AM
    Pretty sure it means "downthumb." Apparently, some here think that we aren't supposed to talk about being downthumbed.
    Some people think one can turn black into white by posting down thumbs, it is like media voting polls.  The truth always rises to the top, no matter the opinion of the crowd. So just give it time.  It is obvious that Mark79 is down voting you here. People just won't say it, because they are afraid of him retaliating by doing what he is doing to you. 
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