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Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
« Reply #95 on: January 02, 2022, 12:07:44 PM »
Apparently, and surprisingly, this is a hotly debated issue?

Well, that being the case, I'll just make my comment and move on:

There's nothing wrong with having a few drinks and getting a LITTLE tipsy (Even the Bible says "Wine doth gladden the heart," and therefore being a little tipsy can't even be a venial sin).

Drinking would become venial when done intemperately, or mortal when done to the point of surrendering the rational faculty.

But as regards marijuana -and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong- for the last 30 years, the strength of it is such that, unlike alcohol, your faculty is severely modified and distorted after only a couple puffs.  Even for daily user addicts who are accustomed to its effects, its not that it no longer has a severe affect upon them, or that they have become tolerant to it, but rather that they have become acccustomed to long-term distortion of their rational faculty.

I believe they are AT LEAST in the same (or worse) state of mind as a drunken man, and nobody disputes that total drunkenness is mortal. 

As for the real or alleged health benefits of marijuana, I find that completely irrelevant to the question of its morality (and besides, it is available in non-euphoric form anyway).

Crack, speed, and meth are probably good for weight loss, since they speed the metabolism and suppresses the appetite, but that doesn't make them moral.

Flame away!

PS: I think modern man is afflicted by misery, and this accounts for even some Catholics defending marijuana use: They want something to kill the pain, and take a break from reality.  But if true, doesn't that prove the point?

Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
« Reply #96 on: January 02, 2022, 12:14:18 PM »
It is a good thing that some strains of MJ are stronger than others-- just like beer is less toxic than wine. It just means one has to smoke less to get the effect...


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Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
« Reply #97 on: January 02, 2022, 12:24:52 PM »
Apparently, and surprisingly, this is a hotly debated issue?

Well, that being the case, I'll just make my comment and move on:

There's nothing wrong with having a few drinks and getting a LITTLE tipsy (Even the Bible says "Wine doth gladden the heart," and therefore being a little tipsy can't even be a venial sin).

Drinking would become venial when done intemperately, or mortal when done to the point of surrendering the rational faculty.

But as regards marijuana -and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong- for the last 30 years, the strength of it is such that, unlike alcohol, your faculty is severely modified and distorted after only a couple puffs.  Even for daily user addicts who are accustomed to its effects, its not that it no longer has a severe affect upon them, or that they have become tolerant to it, but rather that they have become acccustomed to long-term distortion of their rational faculty.

I believe they are AT LEAST in the same (or worse) state of mind as a drunken man, and nobody disputed that total drunkenness is mortal. 

As for the real or alleged health benefits of marijuana, I find that completely irrelevant to the question of its morality (and besides, it is available in non-euphoric form anyway).

Crack, speed, and meth are probably good for weight loss, since they speeds the metabolism and suppresses the appetite, but that doesn't make them moral.

Flame away!

PS: I think modern man is afflicted by misery, and this accounts for even some Catholics defending marijuana use: They want something to kill the pain, and take a break from reality.  But if true, doesn't that prove the point?
This is true, especially today.  Years ago, weed wasn't all that potent.  Years of increasing the thc through careful breeding has produced a far more intense and immediate high. 

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Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
« Reply #98 on: January 02, 2022, 01:08:46 PM »
Apparently, and surprisingly, this is a hotly debated issue?

Well, that being the case, I'll just make my comment and move on:

There's nothing wrong with having a few drinks and getting a LITTLE tipsy (Even the Bible says "Wine doth gladden the heart," and therefore being a little tipsy can't even be a venial sin).

Drinking would become venial when done intemperately, or mortal when done to the point of surrendering the rational faculty.

But as regards marijuana -and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong- for the last 30 years, the strength of it is such that, unlike alcohol, your faculty is severely modified and distorted after only a couple puffs.

See, that's a practical consideration, not a moral one.  Whatever amount it takes for you to lose control of your faculties would be grave sin without proportionate justification.  But I read about the phenomenon of micro-dosing where you can in fact take amounts that you can barely even feel to alleviate certain conditions.  If you could take enough micro-doses to make youself feel a bit tipsy but not "high," I can see no morally-relevant difference between that and having a couple glasses of wine to make you a bit tipsy.  I did include that caveat and distinction in my previous post, that, assuming you can take an amount that would get you tipsy but not high.  So the rational principle has to do with whether or not you lose control of your faculties.

Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
« Reply #99 on: January 02, 2022, 01:11:32 PM »
Anecdotal evidence in scientific inquiry is only useful in identifying possible research leads.

In the case of your (plural) pothead relatives, that research lead shibboleth has been so thoroughly examined and your (plural) hypothesis rejected that the medical establishment has begrudgingly acknowledged that the medical benefits outweigh the medical risks per se.

Certainly there are some people of weakened mental makeup, perverted morality, and/or raised in dysfunctional families. Such people are indeed at increased risk of MJ and alcohol and pornography abuse and more likely to have marital breakup, criminality, and sinfulness. Consideration of such propensities should be part of the risk/benefit calculus before embarking on MJ use.

I advocate MJ's proper medical use. Recreationally, I'd rather see someone smoke MJ than drink alcohol. In no rational world is that a call for anyone lay around smoking weed all day and then spend all night at an orgy.

Put in laymen’s terms: those people were already crap people without the pot. It would’ve made not too much difference. 

Thanks, Mark. For your balanced assessment. 

On a side note, SSPX priests classify the use of CBD, Delta 8 and THC all in one. With a doctor’s prescription it is licit. Otherwise, all are potentially mortally sinful. 

Interestingly, the exhaustive list given earlier in this thread could be equally applied in the same fashion to the witchbox (Internet).