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Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2021, 01:21:56 PM »



            "Dare ga... Marku-nanjuuku san ?"

Offline Mark 79

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Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2021, 01:27:21 PM »


            "Dare ga... Marku-nanjuuku san ?"

はい。 私はT-11マシンガンを撃っている美しい日本の女の子から隠れています。

(Yes. I'm hiding from a beautiful Japanese girl shooting a T-11 machine gun.)


Offline Meg

Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2021, 01:39:30 PM »
Although this is off topic, it seems there are contradictory views for many reasons:

Recreational use of Marijuana


1. Opens the soul to demonic influence.
2. Weakens moral judgement
3. Promotes immorality
4. Fosters narcissism
5. Leads to moral pessimism
6. Is socially and morally divisive
7. Promotes laziness toward Catholic works
8. Promotes disobedience to priests and the Church
9. Promotes disobedience to secular authority
10.  Is a safety issue for children who's parents use.
11. Causes neglect, and abuse of children by parents who use
12. Dulls sense of guilt and is counter to Sacrament of Confession
13. Profanes the reception of the Eucharist
14. Is falsely equated with moderate use of alcohol
15. Often leads to use of other drugs
16. Promotes secrecy and leads to animosity
17. Promotes other crime
18. Often destroys relationships
19. Impedes the desire to attain heaven
20. Leads to a liberal and worldly mindset
21. Retards emotions
22. Wastes opportunities for good
23 Impedes Christ's mandate to evangelize
24 Denies Scripture's command to stay sober
25 Denies the modest conduct of Our Lady
26 Leads to the unforgivable sin of despair
27 Is often its own object of worship
28. Causes certain kinds of brain damage
29. Often leads to other addictions
30. Inhibits holiness
31. Is well founded in paganism, abhorred in Christendom
32. Is proven by all the above to be a "sacrament" of the diabolic
 
This list is by no means exhaustive, barely even scratches the surface. After it exceeded 21, I figured this was enough to get the picture.  If anyone disagrees, present your argument.  Whatever you do, don't smoke weed, rather, do penance for the salvation of souls. 



I have a sibling who has been addicted to marijuana for 30 years. I can attest that the above is true. Except that I would add that extreme laziness and lack of motivation to do ANYTHING is one of the main problems with marijuana use. At this time my sibling is in danger of being homeless......again. We've taken him in to live with us several times, but he never changes. He won't give up the pot.

Offline Tradman

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Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2021, 01:49:42 PM »
I have a sibling who has been addicted to marijuana for 30 years. I can attest that the above is true. Except that I would add that extreme laziness and lack of motivation to do ANYTHING is one of the main problems with marijuana use. At this time my sibling is in danger of being homeless......again. We've taken him in to live with us several times, but he never changes. He won't give up the pot.
Sorry to hear that. My brother, too, was a huge pothead.  He split from his wife, left his 3 kids, wound up in jail multiple times for all types of drug use and now lives in the forest in Oregon somewhere. He believes he is a liaison between the devil and God and is no longer Catholic.  For years I said the daily rosary with him.  What a loss!

Whoever advocates the use of marijuana ought to consider whether the persons who will actually use it won't be tempted to do bigger drugs.  Since no one can do that, people ought to hush up about the use marijuana and it's gateway to hell. 

Offline Mark 79

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Re: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics?
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2021, 02:13:19 PM »
(A) I am not interested in a protracted argument on a matter that is as "settled" as anything gets in medicine.
(B) I carefully distinguished between medical and recreational use.
(C) I noted the risks, physical and spiritual.
(D) The calculation of risk/benefit needs to be individualized.



Although this is off topic, it seems there are contradictory views for many reasons:

Recreational use of Marijuana


1. Opens the soul to demonic influence.
2. Weakens moral judgement
3. Promotes immorality

1-3: Potential loss of inhibition is dose-related, just as it is with alcohol. It is a manageable risk, just as it is with alcohol.


4. Fosters narcissism
5. Leads to moral pessimism

4-5: Gratuitous, subjective, evidence-free assertions that I reject.

6. Is socially and morally divisive

6: Freeing slaves was socially and morally divisive and it was the right thing to do.
 

7. Promotes laziness toward Catholic works

7: Gratuitous, subjective, evidence-free assertion that I reject.

8. Promotes disobedience to priests and the Church

8: Rubbish. There is no authoritative proscription explicit to MJ. MJ must be considered under the same moral theology as alcohol.

9. Promotes disobedience to secular authority

9: What part of "increasingly legalized" and "no longer a gateway to criminal world" don't you understand?

10.  Is a safety issue for children who's parents use.
11. Causes neglect, and abuse of children by parents who use

10-11: Gratuitous, subjective, evidence-free assertion that I reject. Cf. alcohol.

12. Dulls sense of guilt and is counter to Sacrament of Confession

12: Potential loss of inhibition is dose-related, just as it is with alcohol. It is a manageable risk, just as it is with alcohol.

13. Profanes the reception of the Eucharist

13: If an honest risk/benefit assessment makes its use sinless, there is no profanation.

14. Is falsely equated with moderate use of alcohol

14: CORRECT! Medically, alcohol is much less beneficial and much more toxic.
 

15. Often leads to use of other drugs

15: Long argued. Largely related to an illegal substance being obtained from criminals.

16. Promotes secrecy and leads to animosity
17. Promotes other crime
18. Often destroys relationships
19. Impedes the desire to attain heaven
20. Leads to a liberal and worldly mindset
21. Retards emotions

16-21: Gratuitous, subjective, evidence-free assertions that I reject.

22. Wastes opportunities for good

22: Using a beneficial medicine increases opportunities for good.

23 Impedes Christ's mandate to evangelize

23: Gratuitous, subjective, evidence-free assertion that I reject.

24 Denies Scripture's command to stay sober

24: As with alcohol.

25 Denies the modest conduct of Our Lady
26 Leads to the unforgivable sin of despair
27 Is often its own object of worship

25-27: Gratuitous, subjective, evidence-free assertion that I reject.

28. Causes certain kinds of brain damage

28: Benefits certain types of "brain damage," e.g., multiple sclerosis, dystonias, et al.


29. Often leads to other addictions

25: see #15. Argument from Repetition.


30. Inhibits holiness

30: see #'s 1-3, 7-8, 12-13, 22-27. Argument from Repetition.

31. Is well founded in paganism, abhorred in Christendom

31: Pagans also breathe air and eat food. Ad hominem/guilt by association.

32. Is proven by all the above to be a "sacrament" of the diabolic

32: see #'s 1-31
 
This list is by no means exhaustive, barely even scratches the surface. After it exceeded 21, I figured this was enough to get the picture.  If anyone disagrees, present your argument.  Whatever you do, don't smoke weed, rather, do penance for the salvation of souls.

No. Your list is not exhaustive, just exhausting in its repetition of logical fallacies and utter lack of evidence.

Yes. Do penance.