Author Topic: Marijuana use sinful for Catholics? (Read 77224 times)

Dingbat · « **Reply #10 on:** December 31, 2021, 12:26:32 PM »

Quote from: Matthew on December 31, 2021, 12:22:05 PM

Marion, Dankward, roscoe, Quo Vadis Domine, etc. are still here. Your argument is invalid.

Actually that plays directly into my argument. Again, you are only banning people for going off on you, not each other. But again, you have no issues throwing insults to people. Clearly it is not an issue that Stanley was being mean, just that he was mean to you. Why is that? Again, you insulted him first. He responded. Before that, the discussion was entirely on the subject matter and not personal.

Matthew · « **Reply #11 on:** December 31, 2021, 12:30:53 PM »

Quote from: Dingbat on December 31, 2021, 12:07:34 PM

there are several other members who have been equally uncharitable to each other and this sets the goalpost for taking them offline as well. I'm not asking for that mind you. But it is definitely convenient that the only person being banned today is being banned for a tiff with the mod.

I have NEVER claimed that I am that kind of detached. No, insulting the mod is going to get you banned, while saying the EXACT SAME THINGS to another member won't get you banned. That is to be expected, par for the course, and would be experienced on ANY OTHER FORUM as well. Including other Traditional Catholic ones.

Since you're new here, I'll repeat my standing challenge:

You show me ONE OTHER FORUM. JUST ONE (with more than 250 members, of course, because new forums are desperate for members/activity so they don't count) where you can EXPLICITLY, OPENLY call out the moderator for serious sin, pride, racism, or other serious evils, and not be banned.

I'm still waiting for someone to answer this challenge, which has probably been out there for 10 years and counting. As expected, *CRICKETS*. Because I'm right, and I know that I'm right about this.

Sorry not sorry, but CathInfo is not going to be held to some standard that no one, not even other Catholic forums, subscribes to. When a person "loses it" and unloads on the moderator, that person is gone-ski. That's all there is to it.

That might seem unfair, but guess what? The world isn't fair. You insult a cop, you might end up tazed and/or in jail. Say the same thing to a homeless man? Nothing will happen. The world isn't fair sometimes.

I dare you to go throw something at Joe Biden at one of his public appearances. Tell me how that works out for you.

Matthew · « **Reply #12 on:** December 31, 2021, 12:37:01 PM »

By the way, Stanley questioning the morality of my "bringing to CathInfo's attention roscoe's long history of posts about Marijuana" is NOT exactly Flat Earth subject matter. He wasn't sticking to the subject at all. He steered the conversation -- off the rails, if you ask me -- to "questioning Matthew's personal morality".

Anyhow, Dingbat, you're just going to have to come to accept Stanley's banning, because I'm not going to argue with you about it. It's my forum and I set the rules.

Mark 79 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 31, 2021, 01:13:06 PM »

At the risk of walking into the “beaten zone”*** of someone else's firefight, I'll point out that there is overwhelming scientific evidence for the medical benefits of marijuana.

Risk? As it has been increasingly legalized, it is no longer a "gateway [to the criminal world] drug." There are some reports that some heart attacks occur within an hour of ingestion, but so far I have seen no confirmation of causality. While enemies of MJ correctly note the presence of carcinogens in MJ smoke (but not vapor), they are confounded because MJ smokers have lower rates of cancer than non-smokers. With "vaping" and "edibles" there is no smoke involved. The period of task impairment is minor and lasts about 20 minutes. After that, MJ use is associated with more cautious (= lower risk) driving. I am not aware of any such studies on pilots.

Benefits are legion: pain, nausea, seizures, cancer, spasticity, bone density, inflammatory bowel disease, auto-immune disorders… etc.

Our inherent endocannabinoid system is quite interesting and helps explain the pharmacologic effects of phytocannabinoids.

Yes, the loss of inhibition is a potential [dose-related] and serious problem. Risk and benefit must be carefully weighed as Catholics have done for two millennia in the case of alcohol.

Lest anyone get suspicious or cast accusations—I am NOT an MMJ patient or recreational user, but I do advocate its appropriate use.

***Machine gunners here know that the "beaten zone" is the impact area of the machine gun’s cone of fire.

Tradman · « **Reply #14 on:** December 31, 2021, 01:21:11 PM »

Quote from: Mark 79 on December 31, 2021, 01:13:06 PM

At the risk of walking into the “beaten zone”*** of someone else's firefight, I'll point out that there is overwhelming scientific evidence for the medical benefits of marijuana.

Risk? As it has been increasingly legalized, it is no longer a "gateway [to the criminal world] drug." There are some reports that some heart attacks occur within an hour of ingestion, but so far I have seen no confirmation of causality. While enemies of MJ correctly note the presence of carcinogens in MJ smoke (but not vapor), they are confounded because MJ smokers have lower rates of cancer than non-smokers. With "vaping" and "edibles" there is no smoke involved.

Benefits are legion: pain, nausea, seizures, cancer, spasticity, bone density, inflammatory bowel disease, auto-immune disorders… etc.

Our inherent endocannabinoid system is quite interesting and helps explain the pharmacologic effects of phytocannabinoids.

Yes, the loss of inhibition is a potential [dose-related] and serious problem. Risk and benefit must be carefully weighed as Catholics have done for two millennia in the case of alcohol.

Lest anyone get suspicious or cast accusations—I am NOT an MMJ patient or recreational user, but I do advocate its appropriate use.

***Machine gunners here know that the "beaten zone" is the impact area of the machine gun’s cone of fire.

Although this is off topic, it seems there are contradictory views for many reasons:

Recreational use of Marijuana

1. Opens the soul to demonic influence.
2. Weakens moral judgement
3. Promotes immorality
4. Fosters narcissism
5. Leads to moral pessimism
6. Is socially and morally divisive
7. Promotes laziness toward Catholic works
8. Promotes disobedience to priests and the Church
9. Promotes disobedience to secular authority
10. Is a safety issue for children who's parents use.
11. Causes neglect, and abuse of children by parents who use
12. Dulls sense of guilt and is counter to Sacrament of Confession
13. Profanes the reception of the Eucharist
14. Is falsely equated with moderate use of alcohol
15. Often leads to use of other drugs
16. Promotes secrecy and leads to animosity
17. Promotes other crime
18. Often destroys relationships
19. Impedes the desire to attain heaven
20. Leads to a liberal and worldly mindset
21. Retards emotions
22. Wastes opportunities for good
23 Impedes Christ's mandate to evangelize
24 Denies Scripture's command to stay sober
25 Denies the modest conduct of Our Lady
26 Leads to the unforgivable sin of despair
27 Is often its own object of worship
28. Causes certain kinds of brain damage
29. Often leads to other addictions
30. Inhibits holiness
31. Is well founded in paganism, abhorred in Christendom
32. Is proven by all the above to be a "sacrament" of the diabolic

This list is by no means exhaustive, barely even scratches the surface. After it exceeded 21, I figured this was enough to get the picture. If anyone disagrees, present your argument. Whatever you do, don't smoke weed, rather, do penance for the salvation of souls.

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