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Offline Nadir

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Re: Margaret SANGER interviewed by Mike Wallace
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2018, 02:40:23 PM »
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  • If Sanger was after nigerians, why is their population booming( at least doubled)  in last 50 years in America? Have you ever heard of welfare mothers who get more $ for each new child? :confused:

    It is birthrate of Europeans that is way down...
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    Nigeria - Crude birth rate
    38.9
    (per 1,000 people)
    in 2016
    per 1,000 people in 2016.

    In 2016, birth rate for Nigeria was 38.9 per 1,000 people.
    Birth rate of Nigeria fell gradually  from 45.9 per 1,000 people in 1967 to 38.9
    https://knoema.com/atlas/Nigeria/Birth-rate

    The birthrate of Europeans is way down because generally children in Europe are not valued by Europeans. They prefer to focus on material possessions.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


    Offline Stanley N

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    Re: Margaret SANGER interviewed by Mike Wallace
    « Reply #16 on: November 04, 2018, 03:24:41 PM »
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  • In its full context, this quote comes across a little differently than it does on its own.

    Sanger promoted abortion and contraception, clear evils. We don't need to skew her quotes to show that, and we shouldn't be playing loose with the truth.


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    Re: Margaret SANGER interviewed by Mike Wallace
    « Reply #17 on: November 04, 2018, 03:50:18 PM »
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  • Sanger promoted abortion and contraception, clear evils. 

    Not alone, but as part of a "eugenics" program.  Then you take the lists of people she identified as inferior races, including Black people, and the logic is inescapable.  Add to this her infamous "Negro Project" and the fact that she concentrated her efforts on opening birth control clinics in Black areas, and there's no escaping the charge.

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    Re: Margaret SANGER interviewed by Mike Wallace
    « Reply #18 on: November 04, 2018, 03:51:16 PM »
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  • This is why Pius XII's reference to permitting NFP for "eugenics" reasons was so incredibly scandalous.

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    Re: Margaret SANGER interviewed by Mike Wallace
    « Reply #19 on: November 04, 2018, 04:29:14 PM »
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  • Not alone, but as part of a "eugenics" program.  Then you take the lists of people she identified as inferior races, including Black people, and the logic is inescapable.  Add to this her infamous "Negro Project" and the fact that she concentrated her efforts on opening birth control clinics in Black areas, and there's no escaping the charge.
    It seems like making distinctions among evils, but her "eugenics" views were somewhat complicated, and not necessarily identical to nαzι eugenics.

    The quote I'm discussing was made in the context of the "Negro Project", I think. The full quote is: "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

    I know some people take this to mean she wanted to hide what she really believed, but it can also be taken as she foresaw a false allegation and tried to take actions to avoid it, by hiring black ministers to be intermediaries with the community. The latter is, I think, the mainstream interpretation, so it's a tough sell to insist that it absolutely must mean she was hiding what she really believed.


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    Re: Margaret SANGER interviewed by Mike Wallace
    « Reply #20 on: November 04, 2018, 04:36:51 PM »
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  • It seems like making distinctions among evils, but her "eugenics" views were somewhat complicated, and not necessarily identical to nαzι eugenics.

    The quote I'm discussing was made in the context of the "Negro Project", I think. The full quote is: "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

    I know some people take this to mean she wanted to hide what she really believed, but it can also be taken as she foresaw a false allegation and tried to take actions to avoid it, by hiring black ministers to be intermediaries with the community. The latter is, I think, the mainstream interpretation, so it's a tough sell to insist that it absolutely must mean she was hiding what she really believed.

    No, there were other quotes about the Negro project.  You're obsessed with that one quote in particular, and the case against Sanger does not rest on that one quotation.  Sanger's eugenics was similar enough to Hitler's to warrant Hitler giving her an award.

    You need to stop trying to defend Sanger.  You're like all these Modernists who try to curry favor by acting like you're "fair and balanced" ... unlike all of Sanger's other critics.

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    Re: Margaret SANGER interviewed by Mike Wallace
    « Reply #21 on: November 04, 2018, 05:06:34 PM »
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  • No, there were other quotes about the Negro project.  You're obsessed with that one quote in particular, and the case against Sanger does not rest on that one quotation.  Sanger's eugenics was similar enough to Hitler's to warrant Hitler giving her an award.

    You need to stop trying to defend Sanger.  You're like all these Modernists who try to curry favor by acting like you're "fair and balanced" ... unlike all of Sanger's other critics.
    The first thing I care about is truth. I am not "trying to defend Sanger", and paring down that one quote to make it sound like something else is dishonest.

    If there are "other quotes", then USE THEM. We shouldn't mangle quotes just to make a case easier, or dismiss lies just because we're fighting on the side of the angels.

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    Re: Margaret SANGER interviewed by Mike Wallace
    « Reply #22 on: November 04, 2018, 07:10:21 PM »
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  • If Sanger's intent was to kill nigerians in America, it sure didn't work.... :fryingpan:
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    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    Re: Margaret SANGER interviewed by Mike Wallace
    « Reply #23 on: November 04, 2018, 09:03:34 PM »
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  • If Sanger's intent was to kill nigerians in America, it sure didn't work.... :fryingpan:
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    This might come as a shock to you, but most Negros have no connection with Nigeria. 
    Sanger's Negro Project was directed at people with very dark skin, regardless of their origin.    :(
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    Could be Haiti or the Dominican Republic or Puerto Rico. Could be the Congo or South Africa or Gabon or Cameroon. 
    Could be the Gold Coast, or Algeria, or Mozambique, or Zimbabwe, or Liberia, or Senegal, or Chad, or Tanzania, or Angola, or Botswana, or Kenya, or you name it. 
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    And as for whether it was effective, try imagining what their population would have been today WITHOUT Sanger's eugenics agenda in action.
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    Re: Margaret SANGER interviewed by Mike Wallace
    « Reply #24 on: November 04, 2018, 09:18:32 PM »
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    Don't think so?
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    Margaret Sanger thought so. She and her ideology founded Planned Parenthood. This is a direct quote from her:
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    Re: Margaret SANGER interviewed by Mike Wallace
    « Reply #25 on: November 05, 2018, 09:20:04 PM »
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  • Discussions like this invariably fail to take into consideration the crucial context of the racial-political climate Sanger was operating in, and usually the whole thing devolves depressingly into the modern neocon gambit of attempting to smear the left with the left's own invented modern evil of "racism." Every time I hear the familiar D'Souzan mantra "The Liberals are the Real Racists!" I can hear its inevitable sequel "The Liberals are the Real Homophobes / Transphobes!" reverberating from a decade or two into the future.

    As noted earlier in the thread, Margaret Sanger was a shiksa frontwoman for the Jєωιѕн NWO depopulation program which, now as ever, has Christendom (Europe and its outposts) as its main target. Sanger's promises to eradicate the Negro race, therefore, don't strike me as springing from any genuine wellspring of anti-black bigotry on her part, but rather as a sales pitch to a white audience made so desperate by the disastrous fallout of the cινιℓ ωαr and Reconstruction and the whole fool's errand of attempting to integrate a huge population of Africans into a fundamentally Western European society, that they were willing to listen to anyone offering a solution... even if it was a monstrous solution.

    President James Garfield once stated that he had "a strong feeling of repugnance when I think of the negro being made our political equal and I would be glad if they could be colonized, sent to heaven, or got rid of in any decent way." This quotation succinctly sums up the desperation engendered by the problem of the emancipated and enfranchised negro. By the time Planned Parenthood was founded in 1916 things had only gotten worse. Less than a decade earlier, in 1909, the NAACP was founded. The Jєωs had already begun their ongoing program of militarizing the unassimilable negro element as proxy warriors against the white American majority. The uniquely Jєωιѕн dictum, made famous by Rahm Emanuel, "Never let a good crisis go to waste," perfectly describes what the Jєωs were doing during America's burgeoning racial crisis and, as per usual, they controlled both sides to ensure an outcome of maximum benefit to themselves. The NAACP was the stick; Planned Parenthood was the carrot. So many were seduced by Sanger's poisonous promise to get rid of the negro problem, even though it was in a decidedly indecent way.

    Anyway, it's no surprise that the nation that had, in 1913, just handed its entire economy over to a cartel of (((International Bankers))) was unable to spot Jєωιѕн trickery at work in the exacerbation of, and proposed solutions to, its very real (and still unresolved) racial crisis.


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    Re: Margaret SANGER interviewed by Mike Wallace
    « Reply #26 on: November 05, 2018, 11:45:34 PM »
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    This might come as a shock to you, but most Negros have no connection with Nigeria.
    Sanger's Negro Project was directed at people with very dark skin, regardless of their origin.    :(
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    Could be Haiti or the Dominican Republic or Puerto Rico. Could be the Congo or South Africa or Gabon or Cameroon.
    Could be the Gold Coast, or Algeria, or Mozambique, or Zimbabwe, or Liberia, or Senegal, or Chad, or Tanzania, or Angola, or Botswana, or Kenya, or you name it.
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    And as for whether it was effective, try imagining what their population would have been today WITHOUT Sanger's eugenics agenda in action.
    The above post is the best evidence yet that the Roll Laughs( as well as MJ & Wine) Emoticons be restored ASAP.... :fryingpan:
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    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Re: Margaret SANGER interviewed by Mike Wallace
    « Reply #27 on: November 06, 2018, 06:02:48 AM »
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  • BTNYC hits the nail on the head.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Re: Margaret SANGER interviewed by Mike Wallace
    « Reply #28 on: November 09, 2018, 02:05:05 PM »
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  • There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Re: Margaret SANGER interviewed by Mike Wallace
    « Reply #29 on: November 09, 2018, 04:07:19 PM »
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  • Here in Phoenix, there is one, only one book of the autobiography of Margaret Sanger.  It is not on the library shelf.  You must know what you are asking for and you are put on a list.

    From my understandings, Margaret had "The Race Betterment League".  When war with Hitler was about, Margaret was told to change the name, "Race Betterment League", and not only that, she was advised to put a man in charge.  So, we get Planned Parenthood.  It was thought that in this way the eugenics could hide with the so called  birth control people and who would know different.