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http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Life-as-a-Seminarian-was-like-movie-Platoon "into a NEW THREAD" per the instructions of Matthew:
Posted Aug 22, 2014, 6:15 am by Columba Columba said:Scions of multi-generational Satanic families are genetically bred for elite qualities, like the extincted Catholic aristocracy of the past. These scions are educated using traditional satanic methods, scientifically advanced techniques, and combinations thereof kept secret under the National Security Act.
All significant modern centers of power are personally led or substantially controlled by members of these families. Emergent centers of power are targeted and almost always successfully compromised. Therefore, any successor to the SSPX gaining traction would certainly be targeted. Gutman/Krah influence and the liberalization cited by +Williamson indicate successful penetration and compromise of the SSPX, in my opinion.
This is my current understanding based upon my research. Catholics of the Fifteenth Century had a similar understanding relevant to their conditions and time period. The Church traditionally views families exhibiting possible Marrano qualities with greater suspicion than others even though saints might certainly emerge from such families.
Catholics who understand that religious organizations are routinely targeted and compromised by highly competent satanic agents are prepared to resist such compromise. Organizations led without such an understanding are almost certain to be compromised.
I never suggested torture and so I do not see why you keep raising the topic. Torture is no more associated with Inquisition than it is with any other form of Western governance during the middle ages. It is still widely used in most parts of the world and in the West, at least, by criminal organizations. Extraordinary rendition is torture.
Unlike the XSPX, an uncompromised Trad society could directly oppose the Satanic power structure like Catholic institutions of the past. Believe it or not, this was once a primary purpose of the Church in the world.
For centuries, the Malleus Maleficarum was the most widely published book in Christendom after the Bible, but it is no longer studied or taken seriously. Classic works such as these should be restored and modern anti-satanic texts should be written for teaching in classes of high-schoolers and adults. Anti-satanic resistance would invite persecution, but exposing the truth would enable Catholics to once again start landing some defensive blows instead of continuing to flail away blindly.
Such a restoration would be rejected by most Catholics today because we have not yet "hit bottom." However, formation of an initial core could, if God wills it, strike the sparks necessary for bringing about a raging conflagration.
Private Messenger 3 (Himagain) said:On page 25 of the thread "Life as a Seminarian was like movie Platoon" you mention the Malleus Maleficarum as what was once "the most widely published book in Christendom after the Bible". I'd not remembered hearing of that before, so looked it up. I find sources ranging from dubious to diabolical.
There seems to be some agreement that it was banned by the Vatican within a few years of it's original publication.
What is your sourcing for it's legitimacy as a generally accepted Catholic text?
And, do you have any suggestion(s) on where online one may read a true copy, faithfully translated to English?
And any other sources with faithful commentary on the text you care to share?
Thank you for any information you might conveniently forward, and for bringing this docuмent to my attention.
Columba Post in reference to above:Private Messenger 3, you are the third person to send me a private message regarding my quoted post above. I will begin by answering your request since it was the most specific and doing so will partially address requests of the other two private messengers.
A PDF version of the Malleus Maleficarum (Hammer of Witches) was put out by a self-described "pagan" Wicasta Lovelace in 2000. It is an online transcription of the 1928 English translation made by English Catholic researcher Montague Summers. Wicasta Lovelace's Malleus Maleficarum website was taken down a few days ago. I don't know if there is any connection to my mentioning the anti-witchcraft manual in an August 16 post on this thread, but the last Wayback Machine archive of the site was taken August 14 and now the site appears gone for good:
http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org . The PDF is archived and downloadable from here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140711174303/http://www.malleusmaleficarum.org/downloads/MalleusAcrobat.pdfIf it ever becomes unavailable from the archive, I have a copy saved for upload to Cathinfo.
The authors, Dominican Fathers Heinrich Kramer and James Sprenger, were authorized by Pope Innocent VIII's bull Summis Desiderantes Affectibus to serve as high inquisitors against witchcraft and heresy two years before publishing Malleus Maleficarum.
Malleus Maleficarum was certified for orthodoxy by a Letter of Approbation from the theological faculty of University of Cologne in 1487.
"The argument was made in the nineteenth century by a scholar hostile to what the Malleus stood for that the approbation was a forgery by Institoris and that Sprenger had nothing to do with the composition. The evidence for this is in my view very tenuous (and the main argument is clearly invalid). Nonetheless, once the argument was put forward, it took on a life of its own, and people continue to advance arguments in favor of the idea that Sprenger's involvement was a falsification perpetrated by Institoris, despite the fact that this argument was vitiated from the start."
http://johnwmorehead.blogspot.com/2008/04/mackay-malleus-maleficarum-in.htmlIt is widely reported that the book was placed on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum in 1490, but that is not possible since '[t]he first Roman "Index of Prohibited Books" (Index librorum prohibitorum) [was] published in 1559 under Paul IV.'
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07721a.htmI cannot find a listing of Malleus Maleficarum on any official Index Librorum Prohibitorum. If anyone can, please post that information.
The book goes to great length proving the existence of witches and offensively alleges that women are weak in certain ways making them more susceptible to the temptation of witchcraft. Indeed the Malleus Maleficarum contains much to offend refined sensibilities such that many Catholics consider it to be a grave embarrassment best covered up, denied, and forgotten about. The Catholic Encyclopedia lambasts the book as "disastrous," but nevertheless does reluctantly admit that "the pope must no doubt be considered to affirm the reality of these alleged phenomena."
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Posted Aug 22, 2014, 5:54 pm by HimagainColumba, Thanks for this information!
I went ahead and put this on my hard drive - there've been interesting docuмents turning up absent from the 'Net recently, so better safe than sorry.
726 Pages!!! Whoa! And to think that the witch who put this up actually transcribed the text and coded the HTML links by hand rather than OCR scanning - amazing - particularly since she has apparently seen fit to pull it down now.
Maybe she'll just use another site to post this for the purpose of pushing back against the oppression of the poor witches and queers in this 21st century.
However, I'm still not sure of the status of this text in the church of the 15th Century and thereafter, so I think that's worth looking into more.
Thanks again!
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Posted 8/23/2014, 3:26 pm by Columba Himagain said:
However, I'm still not sure of the status of this text in the church of the 15th Century and thereafter, so I think that's worth looking into more.
I have found much false rumor mongering and casting of aspersion against the Malleus Maleficarum from those anxious about the acceptance of Catholics by the world and by enemies of the Faith, but I have found no legitimate charge against this first non-Bible blockbuster, bestseller in history. See below the the papal bull confirming the heroic, indispensable, and selfless mission of authors Frs. Kramer and Sprenger, Hammers of Witches.
THE BULL OF INNOCENT VIII
Innocent, Bishop, Servant of the servants of God, for an eternal remembrance.
Desiring with the most hearfelt anxiety, even as Our Apostleship requires, that the Catholic faith should especially in this Our day increase and flourish everywhere, and that all heretical depravity should be driven far from the frontiers and bournes of the Faithful, We very gladly proclaim and even restate those particular means and methods whereby Our pious desire may obtain its wished effect, since when all errors are uprooted by Our diligent avocation as by the hoe of a provident husbandman, a zeal for, and the regular observance of, Our holy Faith will be all the more strongly impressed upon the hearts of the faithful.
It has indeed lately come to Our ears, not without afflicting Us with bitter sorrow, that in some parts of Northern Germany, as well as in the provinces, townships, territories, districts, and dioceses of Mainz, Cologne, Tréves, Salzburg, and Bremen, many persons of both sexes, unmindful of their own salvation and straying from the Catholic Faith, have abandoned themselves to devils, incubi and succubi, and by their incantations, spells, conjurations, and other accursed charms and crafts, enormities and horrid offences, have slain infants yet in the mother's womb, as also the offspring of cattle, have blasted the produce of the earth, the grapes of the vine, the fruits of the trees, nay, men and women, beasts of burthen, herd-beasts, as well as animals of other kinds, vineyards, orchards, meadows, pasture-land, corn, wheat, and all other cereals; these wretches furthermore afflict and torment men and women, beasts of burthen, herd-beasts, as well as animals of other kinds, with terrible and piteous pains and sore diseases, both internal and external; they hinder men from performing the sɛҳuąƖ act and women from conceiving, whence husbands cannot know their wives nor wives receive their husbands; over and above this, they blasphemously renounce that Faith which is theirs by the Sacrament of Baptism, and at the instigation of the Enemy of Mankind they do not shrink from committing and perpetrating the foulest abominations and filthiest excesses to the deadly peril of their own souls, whereby they outrage the Divine Majesty and are a cause of scandal and danger to very many. And although Our dear sons Henry Kramer and James Sprenger, Professors of Theology, of the Order of Friars Preachers, have been by Letters Apostolic delegated as Inquisitors of these heretical pravities, and still are Inquisitors, the first in the aforesaid parts of Northern Germany, wherein are included those aforesaid townships, districts, dioceses, and other specified localities, and the second in certain territories which lie along the borders of the Rhine, nevertheless not a few clerics and lay folk of those countries, seeking too curiously to know more than concerns them, since in the aforesaid delegatory letters there is no express and specific mention by name of these provinces, townships, dioceses, and districts, and further since the two delegates themselves and the abominations they are to encounter are not designated in detailed and particular fashion, these persons are not ashamed to contend with the most unblushing effrontery that these enormities are not practised in these provinces, and consequently the aforesaid Inquisitors have no legal right to exercise their powers of inquisition in the provinces, townships, dioceses, districts, and territories, which have been rehearsed, and that the Inquisitors may not proceed to punish, imprison, and penalize criminals convicted of the heinous offences and many wickednesses which have been set forth. Accordingly in the aforesaid provinces, townships, dioceses, and districts, the abominations and enormities in question remain unpunished not without open danger to the souls of many and peril of eternal damnation.
Wherefore We, as is Our duty, being wholly desirous of removing all hindrances and obstacles by which the good work of the Inquisitors may be let and tarded, as also of applying potent remedies to prevent the disease of heresy and other turpitudes diffusing their poison to the destruction of many innocent souls, since Our zeal for the Faith especially incites us, lest that the provinces, townships, dioceses, districts, and territories of Germany, which We had specified, be deprived of the benefits of the Holy Office thereto assigned, by the tenor of these presents in virtue of Our Apostolic authority We decree and enjoin that the aforesaid Inquisitors be empowered to proceed to the just correction, imprisonment, and punishment of any persons, without let or hindrance, in every way as if the provinces, townships, dioceses, districts, territories, yea, even the persons and their crimes in this kind were named and particularly designated in Our letters. Moreover, for greater surety We extend these letters deputing this authority to cover all the aforesaid provinces, townships, dioceses, districts, territories, persons, and crimes newly rehearsed, and We grant permission to the aforesaid Inquisitors, to one separately or to both, as also to Our dear son John Gremper, priest of the diocese of Constance, Master of Arts, their notary, or to any other public notary, who shall be by them, or by one of them, temporarily delegated to those provinces, townships, dioceses, districts, and aforesaid territories, to proceed, according to the regulations of the Inquisition, against any persons of whatsoever rank and high estate, correcting, mulcting, imprisoning, punishing, as their crimes merit, those whom they have found guilty, the penalty being adapted to the offence. Moreover, they shall enjoy a full and perfect faculty of expounding and preaching the word of God to the faithful, so often as opportunity may offer and it may seem good to them, in each and every parish church of the said provinces, and they shall freely and lawfully perform any rites or execute any business which may appear advisable in the aforesaid cases. By Our supreme authority We grant them anew full and complete faculties.
At the same time by Letters Apostolic We require Our venerable Brother, the Bishop of Strasburg (Albrecht von Bayern, 1478-1506 - ed.), that he himself shall announce, or by some other or others cause to be announced, the burthen if Our Bull, which he shall solemnly publish when and so often as he deems it necessary, or when he shall be requested so to do by the Inquisitors or by one of them. Nor shall he suffer them in disobedience to the tenor of these presents to be molested or hindered by any authority whatsoever, but he shall threaten all who endeavour to hinder or harass the Inquisitors, all who oppose them, all rebels, of whatsoever rank, estate, position, pre-eminence, dignity, or any condition they may be, or whatsoever privilege or exemption they may claim, with excommunication, suspension, interdict, and yet more terrible penalties, censures, and punishment, as may seem good to him, and that without any right of appeal, and if he will he may by Our authority aggravate and renew these penalties as often as he list, calling in, if so please him, the help of the secular arm. Non obstantibus... Let no man therefore... But if any dare to do so, which God forbid, let him know that upon him will fall the wrath of Almighty God, and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul.
The Bull of Innocent VIII Given at Rome, at S. Peter's, on the 9 December of the Year of the Incarnation of Our Lord one thousand four hundred and eighty-four, in the first year of Our Pontificate. The translation of this Bull is reprinted by permission from "The Geography of Witchcraft," by Montague Summers, pp. 533-6 (Kegan Paul).
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Posted 8/23/2014, 6:31 pm by Matthew (Admin)Columba, and anyone else talking about the Malleus Malificarum --
Please copy-paste these posts into a NEW THREAD as soon as possible.
I'll give you to the end of the day Sunday to do this, then I'm purging this thread.
It's been totally hijacked and derailed.
I'm going to clean it up, but I'd hate to lose the information about the Malleus which seems interesting at the very least.
I don't have time (or at least I don't want to spend the time) moving/re-posting, so I'll ask someone here to do it.
Anyhow, at the stroke of midnight after Sunday, consider a bunch of the off-topic material in this thread as good as gone. I want to keep it focused on the matter at hand.
Just to be clear: The Malleus Maleficarum is perfectly suitable material for CathInfo. In its own thread.
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PM to Columba From Himagain 8/24/2014, 10:57 amBull of Innoc. III
Matthew is annoyed that we are discussing this in his thread, so I'll avoid agitating him further by directly PM'ing my response on this matter.
The Bull you publish does not even contemplate the publication of Malleus, let alone commission, authorize or in any way affirmatively sanction it.
The faculties granted were for the purposes of conducting Inquisition in the areas described by the parties mentioned. It is clear to me that historical and contemporary figures misuse that Bull by inferring authorization it does not contain. That misuse seems to have misled people through the centuries to conclude that Malleus has an authority which it seems never to have been granted.
Malleus may not have made a List of Forbidden Books that did not exist yet, but neither have I seen any particular docuмentation conferring any status as an authoritative docuмent of the Church.
If you could direct me to any such docuмent, I would be glad to know of it.