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Traditional Catholic Faith => Fighting Errors in the Modern World => Topic started by: Kephapaulos on March 02, 2025, 09:57:14 PM
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He can be compared to Benito Juárez, or even Oliver Cromwell. From lowliness to power does not always lead to good results I realize. Power can indeed corrupt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0j6qwVlQY0&t=1104s
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I remember learning from one of our members here years ago that Lincoln tried to join the Masons before he died, but I did not know until hearing this video that he had already been trying to do so in his Illinois days.
As a matter of fact, over ten years ago when I was visiting family in Illinois, I saw the place in Ottawa where the first Lincoln Douglas debate was held. There is a Masonic lodge across the street from the park where it is at. I did a little research, and it was there at the time of the debate. Saint Columba Catholic Church a little up the street was around by then I just learned too.
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washington was worse.
and even worse than him was william of orange
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Thomas Di Lorenzo has written extensively on the subject of " Honest Abe." Let's just say he's not a fan.
Many of his essays appear on the Lew Rockwell site:
Happy Worst President’s Day - LewRockwell (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2025/02/thomas-dilorenzo/happy-worst-presidents-day/)
Lincoln as He Really Was - LewRockwell (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/09/thomas-dilorenzo/lincoln-as-he-really-was/)
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I remember learning from one of our members here years ago that Lincoln tried to join the Masons before he died, but I did not know until hearing this video that he had already been trying to do so in his Illinois days.
As a matter of fact, over ten years ago when I was visiting family in Illinois, I saw the place in Ottawa where the first Lincoln Douglas debate was held. There is a Masonic lodge across the street from the park where it is at. I did a little research, and it was there at the time of the debate. Saint Columba Catholic Church a little up the street was around by then I just learned too.
More accurately Masonic temple, not lodge.
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washington was worse.
and even worse than him was william of orange
Did you know that in 1795 Washington donated money equivalent to $1200 in todays $$ to build the first Catholic Church in Virginia?
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washington was worse.
How so?
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He can be compared to Benito Juárez, or even Oliver Cromwell. From lowliness to power does not always lead to good results I realize. Power can indeed corrupt.
100% truth. Has anybody else ever wondered why Lincoln is considered by so many to be one of the greatest presidents/moral men yet a cινιℓ ωαr happened under his watch which he actually pushed for? The same can be said for FDR when he got us involved in a World War under his watch. So many praise FDR as one of the geatest presidents baffles me just like how LBJ gets a free pass on getting us involved in Vietnam yet Nixon (who wasnt anything special) who got us out of it is blamed by most for Vietnam. It truly baffles me how people don't realize these facts.
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washington was worse.
and even worse than him was william of orange
It is believed that Washington converted to Catholicism later in life. Though it hasn't been absolutely proven.
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Did you know that in 1795 Washington donated money equivalent to $1200 in todays $$ to build the first Catholic Church in Virginia?
It is a mystery as to why someone would down vote this post. As Meg mentioned, many believe that Washington converted to the Catholic Church shortly before his death. Though that is not definitive, it has not been disproven either. It is well known that Washington regularly attended Mass (as well as the services of other denominations, and he did donate money to build a Catholic Church. https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/religion/george-washington-and-catholicism (https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/religion/george-washington-and-catholicism)
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It is a mystery as to why someone would down vote this post. As Meg mentioned, many believe that Washington converted to the Catholic Church shortly before his death. Though that is not definitive, it has not been disproven either. It is well known that Washington regularly attended Mass (as well as the services of other denominations, and he did donate money to build a Catholic Church. https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/religion/george-washington-and-catholicism (https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/religion/george-washington-and-catholicism)
If Washington was so Catholic he would have ended the satanic rebellion
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If Washington was so Catholic he would have ended the satanic rebellion
Wasn't that 1776. We are talking about 20 years later. A lot can happen in 20 years.
Please elaborate on why you think he was worse than Lincoln.
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Wasn't that 1776. We are talking about 20 years later. A lot can happen in 20 years.
Please elaborate on why you think he was worse than Lincoln.
Abe didn’t establish the USA
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Ok I was wrong .
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Ok I was wrong .
Huh? I am now confused, which is very easy to do.
Did you read my mind? I was just about to type the following.
So the USA is evil? Or just the 13 colony part? Many things were happening in the US at the same time. Was the Catholic missionaries evil?
What should have been done differently?
Maybe the Catholics who came over should not have talked about religious freedom?
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Huh? I am now confused, which is very easy to do.
Did you read my mind? I was just about to type the following.
Yeah I was wrong. Abe was worse than Washington
that said
YES the USA is evil . Not the colony, the country .
what should have been done differently- not rebel against England
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Yeah I was wrong. Abe was worse than Washington
that said
YES the USA is evil . Not the colony, the country .
what should have been done differently- not rebel against England
How would that have been better? If this country was still English, then wouldn't we have much less Catholicism?
Don't you think that everything happens for a reason that gives better glory to God?
I am not trying to be argumentive. My intent is just to look at the situation from different perspectives and discuss these views, then see which one fits with God's plan. Does anyone else believe that when we die we will see how each situation was at the same time both merciful and just from God's perspective.
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Yeah I was wrong. Abe was worse than Washington
that said
YES the USA is evil . Not the colony, the country .
what should have been done differently- not rebel against England
If England had been a Catholic country in the 18th century, then I would agree that rebellion would be wrong. But of course England was not Catholic by then. A couple of the colonies were Catholic, but most were not, if I recall correctly.
Mexico gained its independence from Spain in 1810. But, IMO, it wasn't a good idea, because that's when freemasons, mainly from the U.S., started causing trouble for Mexico, with helping to incite revolution after revolution. Before Mexico gained independence, it had a higher standard of living than the U.S., but of course that all began to change after the freemasonic revolutions. The freemasons didn't want a strong Catholic country bordering the U.S.
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If England had been a Catholic country in the 18th century, then I would agree that rebellion would be wrong. But of course England was not Catholic by then. A couple of the colonies were Catholic, but most were not, if I recall correctly.
Maryland was Catholic for a moment. They wanted a place to practice religion freely, but the protestants didn't want the same thing. This caused a mass exodus of Catholics from Maryland to Kentucky in about 1812.
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If England had been a Catholic country in the 18th century, then I would agree that rebellion would be wrong. But of course England was not Catholic by then. A couple of the colonies were Catholic, but most were not, if I recall correctly.
Mexico gained its independence from Spain in 1810. But, IMO, it wasn't a good idea, because that's when freemasons, mainly from the U.S., started causing trouble for Mexico, with helping to incite revolution after revolution. Before Mexico gained independence, it had a higher standard of living than the U.S., but of course that all began to change after the freemasonic revolutions. The freemasons didn't want a strong Catholic country bordering the U.S.
thats why i said william of orange was the worst. He rebelled against a true catholic king.
the rebellion was still wrong because they went from bad to even worse
also the pope recognised george iii as king