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Re: Leo XIII: The First Liberal Pope Who Went Beyond His Authority
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2021, 01:27:16 AM »
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  • Eugenio Maria Giuseppe Giovanni Pacelli (Pius XII) attended state primary schools and Visconti Institute for his secondary education.  He then studied at the Appolinare Institute of Lateran University and the Gregorian University before ordination in 1901.
     
    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Pius-XII
     
    Giovanni Battista Enrico Antonio Maria Montini (Paul VI) attended the Cesare Arici school run by the Jesuits and received a diploma from the Arnaldo da Brescia public school.  His education was often interrupted by illness.  He entered the seminary in Brescia (reports say that during his seminary formation he was dispensed to lived in the family home because of frail health) and was ordained in 1920.  He concluded his studies in Milan with a doctorate in canon law and later studied at the Gregorian University.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Blessed-Paul-VI
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Paul_VI

    Montini couldn't fit-in, in seminary because he was a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. 
    He was actually on record as being arrested for a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ act in a public urinal in Italy.  He was a jew too.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Leo XIII: The First Liberal Pope Who Went Beyond His Authority
    « Reply #16 on: October 23, 2021, 10:10:51 AM »
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  • Montini couldn't fit-in, in seminary because he was a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. 
    He was actually on record as being arrested for a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ act in a public urinal in Italy.  He was a jew too.




    And below is what you conveniently forgot to include in your post:


    In 1894, aged 18, Pacelli began his theology studies at Rome's oldest seminary, the Almo Collegio Capranica,[13] and in November of the same year, registered to take a philosophy course at the Jesuit Pontifical Gregorian University and theology at the Pontifical Roman Athenaeum S. Apollinare. He was also enrolled at the State University, La Sapienza where he studied modern languages and history. At the end of the first academic year however, in the summer of 1895, he dropped out of both the Capranica and the Gregorian University. According to his sister Elisabetta, the food at the Capranica was to blame.[14] Having received a special dispensation he continued his studies from home and so spent most of his seminary years as an external student. In 1899 he completed his education in Sacred Theology with a doctoral degree awarded on the basis of a short dissertation and an oral examination in Latin.[15]


    Pope Pius XII bio (Jєω-wiki)

    And when one looks at his Jєω-wiki bio, it raises more questions than it answers:

    1. The family (jew) banking background.
    2. The Black Nobility

    For #2, we've discussed the "Black Nobility" on this forum several times, related to the SSPX's connection to the Palavachini family.  It's not good. 

    The Palavacini's are currently known as European high-end mobsters, even though they've done their best to scrub their images clean on the web.



    And let me ask... What happened to the Black Nobility? 

    Perhaps a periti from Menzingen's office of historical propaganda can advise us on this forbidden topic?

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Leo XIII: The First Liberal Pope Who Went Beyond His Authority
    « Reply #17 on: October 23, 2021, 11:11:21 AM »
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  • And below is what you conveniently forgot to include in your post:


    In 1894, aged 18, Pacelli began his theology studies at Rome's oldest seminary, the Almo Collegio Capranica,[13] and in November of the same year, registered to take a philosophy course at the Jesuit Pontifical Gregorian University and theology at the Pontifical Roman Athenaeum S. Apollinare. He was also enrolled at the State University, La Sapienza where he studied modern languages and history. At the end of the first academic year however, in the summer of 1895, he dropped out of both the Capranica and the Gregorian University. According to his sister Elisabetta, the food at the Capranica was to blame.[14] Having received a special dispensation he continued his studies from home and so spent most of his seminary years as an external student. In 1899 he completed his education in Sacred Theology with a doctoral degree awarded on the basis of a short dissertation and an oral examination in Latin.[15]


    Pope Pius XII bio (Jєω-wiki)

    And when one looks at his Jєω-wiki bio, it raises more questions than it answers:

    1. The family (jew) banking background.
    2. The Black Nobility

    For #2, we've discussed the "Black Nobility" on this forum several times, related to the SSPX's connection to the Palavachini family.  It's not good. 

    The Palavacini's are currently known as European high-end mobsters, even though they've done their best to scrub their images clean on the web.



    And let me ask... What happened to the Black Nobility? 

    Perhaps a periti from Menzingen's office of historical propaganda can advise us on this forbidden topic?

    Hard to imagine the food being bad at any Italian institution, including a seminary.

    But I could be wrong.  I've just always been of the impression that Italians take food seriously, and that they prepare it well.

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    Re: Leo XIII: The First Liberal Pope Who Went Beyond His Authority
    « Reply #18 on: October 23, 2021, 12:26:46 PM »
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  • I came to the conclusion awhile back that Incred is a judaic baiter.

    It should be pointed out that the Venetian (Frankist) Black Nobility is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ENTITY than Papal( Guelf) Black Nobility. :cowboy:
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    Re: Leo XIII: The First Liberal Pope Who Went Beyond His Authority
    « Reply #19 on: October 23, 2021, 12:32:02 PM »
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  • Many years ago I discovered that Pope Leo XIII gave licence for a modernist approach to Biblical interpretation that promoted Modernism in the womb of the Catholic Church.

    A Modernist is best described as a Catholic one day and a modernist the next day. I recall many of my friends were shocked until they were shown the evidence.

    History records that the modernism that led to the demise of the traditional Catholic faith began in the middle of the 19th century. This fits in with Pope Pius VII's 1820-35 acceptance of heliocentric science and ordering all heliocentric books be taken off the Index. In 1616 and 1633, in the Galileo case, heliocentrism was defined and declared as formal heresy because it contradicted the geocentrism of the Bible, an understanding of ALL THE FATHERS. Pope Urban VIII stated in 1633 that if this one interpretation of Scripture was changed based on a scientific theory, it would "PUT THE CATHOLIC FAITH IN DANGER." This happened in 1835 and led to other scientific theories like uniformitarianism (long ages) and evolution being used by 'Biblical Scholars' to change other traditional meanings in Scripture.

    This 'modernism' (liberalism) became so bad that Pope Leo XIII had to try to stop the ROT in his encyclical Providentissimus deus. Alas, wherein he did warn of all the dangers to biblical understanding, but then had to back up his predecessors in their U-turn from a geocentric meaning of Scripture to an updated heretical heliocentric one. Here are the two passages under Pope Leo XIII's name that changed the Bible from Tradition to Modernist;


    ‘15: But we must not on that account consider that it is forbidden, when just cause exists, to push enquiry and exposition beyond what the Fathers have done; provided he carefully observes the rule so wisely laid down by St Augustine – not to depart from the literal and obvious sense, except only where reason makes it untenable or necessity requires, a rule to which it is more necessary to adhere strictly in these times, when the thirst for novelty and unrestrained freedom of thought make the danger of error most real and proximate.’ Neither should those passages be neglected which the Fathers have understood in an allegorical or figurative sense.’
     ‘18: To understand how just is the rule here formulated we must remember, first, that the sacred writers, or to speak more accurately, the Holy Ghost “Who spoke by them, did not intend to teach men these things (that is to say, the essential nature of the things of the visible universe), things in no way profitable unto salvation” (St Augustine). Hence, they did not seek to penetrate the secrets of nature, but rather described and dealt with things in more or less figurative language, or in terms which were commonly used at the time, and which in many instances are in daily use at this day, even by the most eminent men of science [Like ‘sunrise’ and ‘sunset’?]. Ordinary speech primarily and properly describes what comes under the senses; and somewhat in the same way the sacred writers , as the Angelic Doctor also reminds us, “went by what sensibly appeared,” or put down what God, speaking to men, signified, in the way men could understand and were accustomed to.’
    ’18: The unshrinking defence of the Holy Scripture, however, does not require that we should equally uphold all the opinions which each of the Fathers or the more recent interpreters have put forth in explaining it; for it may be that, in commenting on passages where physical matters occur, they have sometimes expressed the ideas of their own times, and thus made statements which in these days have been abandoned as incorrect. Hence, in their interpretations, we must carefully note what they lay down as belonging to faith, or as intimately connected with faith, what they are unanimous in. For “in those things which do not come under the obligation of faith, the Saints were at liberty to hold divergent opinions, just as we ourselves are,” according to the saying of St. Thomas Aquinas.’

    Thus was the licence to turn the supernatural creation by God into a natural evolutionary one that did not need a Creator as atheists were claiming since the mid 1850s. In my next post I will give examples of how this licence was used by so many since 1893. First though, the latest use of Leo XIII's licence..

    "Since Pope Leo XIII’s encyclical Providentissimus Deus (1893), Catholic exegetes have abandoned the idea that the Bible is meant to teach science, adding this principle to the age-old Catholic principle that the Bible must be reconciled with science, at least with settled science. Pope Leo explicitly states that: Sacred Scripture speaks in a popular language that describes physical things as they appear to the senses, and so does not describe them with scientific exactitude. The Fathers of the Church were mistaken in some of their opinions about questions of science [like geocentrism, Biblical ages, a world-wide flood, etc?]. Catholics are only obliged to follow the opinion of the Fathers when they were unanimous on questions of faith and morals, where they did not err, and not on questions of science, where they sometimes erred." --- Fr Paul Robinson, SSPX. 
     


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    Re: Leo XIII: The First Liberal Pope Who Went Beyond His Authority
    « Reply #20 on: October 23, 2021, 12:54:58 PM »
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  • Here are some of the endless confirmations of Pope Leo XIII's licence to chainge Scripture based on the 'science' of natural origins:

    ‘Anyone who will compare this [Galileo’s] wonderful letter with the encyclical Providentissimus Deus of Pope Leo XIII on the study of Holy Scripture will see how near in many places Galileo came to the very words of the Holy Father.’   --     James Brodrick, S.J: The life of Cardinal Bellarmine, Burns Oats, 1928, p.351.



    ‘But Bellarmine erred in its application, for the theological principles with which Galileo supported his system were merely those afterwards officially adopted and taught us by Pope Leo XIII in his encyclical, Providentissimus Deus.’   --- E. C Messenger: Evolution and Theology, Burns, Oats and Washbourne, 1931.



    ‘A century ago (1893), Pope Leo XIII echoed this [Galileo’s] advice in his encyclical Providentissimus Deus.’ --- Pope John Paul II: Address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences when presenting the findings of the 1981-1992 Galileo Commission. ---



    ‘Actually, almost 100 years before Pope John Paul II’s apology, an earlier Pope (Leo XIII) effectively reinstated Galileo in an encyclical dealing with how Catholics should study the Bible…. “In 1893, Pope Leo XIII made honorable amends to Galileo’s memory by basing his encyclical Providentissimus Deus on the principles of exegesis that Galileo had expounded.”’    --> D. A. Crombie’s ‘A History of Science from Augustine to Galileo,’ Vol. 2, 1996, p.225.



    ‘Galileo’s principle has apparently become the official hermeneutic criterion of the Catholic Church. It is alluded to in the Encyclical Providentissimus Deus by Pope Leo (1893), referred to in Guadium et Spes of the Vatican Council II (1965).’--- The Cambridge Companion to Galileo, 1998, p.367.

    ‘On the other hand, Galileo was right about heliocentricism. Moreover, some of his theological wanderings eventually found themselves mirrored in several papal encyclicals of the last two centuries. Providentissimus Deus by Pope Leo XIII and Humani Generis by Pope Pius XII, for instance, both have pieces that could have been extracted from Galileo’s Letters to the Grand Duchess Christina… Galileo seems to have won out both on theological as well as scientific grounds…’---  J. T. Winschel: Galileo, Victim or Villain, The Angelus, Oct. 2003, p.38.

     

    ‘Galileo’s views on the interpretation of scripture were fundamentally derived from St Augustine. Galileo’s views, expounded in the Letter to Castelli and his Letter to Christina and elsewhere, are in fact close to those expounded three centuries later by Pope Leo XIII, who in his encyclical on the divine inspiration of Holy Scripture [Providentissimus Deus], declared….’ --- Cardinal Cathal Daly: The Minding of Planet Earth, Veritas, 2004, p.68.



    ‘A sort of climax of the hermeneutical aspect of the Galileo affair occurred in 1893 with Pope Leo XIII’s encyclical letter Providentissimus Deus, for this docuмent put forth a view of the relationship between Biblical interpretation and scientific investigation that corresponded to the one advanced by Galileo in his letters to Castelli and Christina.’---  M. A. Finocchiaro: Retrying Galileo, 2007, p.264.


    ‘Galileo addressed this problem in his famous Letter to Castelli. In its approach to Biblical exegesis, the letter ironically anticipates Pope Leo XIII’s encyclical Providentissimus Deus (1893), which pointed out that Scripture often makes use of figurative language and is not meant to teach science. Galileo accepted the inerrancy of Scripture; but he was also mindful of Cardinal Baronius’s quip that the Bible “is intended to teach us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go.”’---   Catholics United for the Faith – what the Catholic Church teaches, 2010 



    ‘The Society of Saint Pius X holds no such position [Biblical geocentrism]. The Church’s magisterium teaches that Catholics should not use Sacred Scripture to assert explanations about natural science, but may in good conscience hold to any particular cosmic theory. Providentissimus Deus also states that Scripture does not give scientific explanations and many of its texts use “figurative language” or expressions “commonly used at the time”, still used today “even by the most eminent men of science” (like the word “sunrise”)’ --- SSPX press release, 30/8/2011.



    ‘When Pope Leo XIII wrote on the importance of science and reason, he essentially embraced the philosophical principles put forth by Galileo, and many statements by Popes and the Church over the years have expressed admiration for Galileo. For example, Galileo was specifically singled out for praise by Pope Pius XII in his address to the International Astronomical Union in 1952.’     Vatican Observatory website 2013.


    ‘To excite Catholic students to rival non-Catholics in the study of the Scriptures, and at the same time guide their studies, Pope Leo XIII in 1893 published “Providentissimus Deus,” which won the admiration even of Protestants.’---     Newadvent Catholic Encyclopedia: Largest Catholic website in the world, 2013


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    Re: Leo XIII: The First Liberal Pope Who Went Beyond His Authority
    « Reply #21 on: October 23, 2021, 12:57:33 PM »
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  • I came to the conclusion awhile back that Incred is a judaic baiter.

    It should be pointed out that the Venetian (Frankist) Black Nobility is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ENTITY than Papal( Guelf) Black Nobility. :cowboy:

    Thank you Roscoe!

    You've long defended Cardinal Rampolla, but we've never seen you come forth with evidence of his virtuous life?

    Perhaps the most disastrous thing St. Pope Pius X unknowingly did was to put Rampolla in charge of the Vatican archives.

    A perfect opportunity for him to trash Church history on тαℓмυdic judaism :facepalm:

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Leo XIII: The First Liberal Pope Who Went Beyond His Authority
    « Reply #22 on: October 23, 2021, 01:02:19 PM »
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  • Hard to imagine the food being bad at any Italian institution, including a seminary.

    But I could be wrong.  I've just always been of the impression that Italians take food seriously, and that they prepare it well.


    "Hey a Pacelli ! 
    You no lika my food... Ima gonna beata yo ass!"
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Leo XIII: The First Liberal Pope Who Went Beyond His Authority
    « Reply #23 on: October 23, 2021, 08:23:45 PM »
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  • Thank you Roscoe!

    You've long defended Cardinal Rampolla, but we've never seen you come forth with evidence of his virtuous life?

    Perhaps the most disastrous thing St. Pope Pius X unknowingly did was to put Rampolla in charge of the Vatican archives.

    A perfect opportunity for him to trash Church history on тαℓмυdic judaism :facepalm:

     Pius X was PRESENT( & btw you were not) IN THE CONCLAVE( & voted for Card Rampolla) when the alleged 'veto' fiasco took place. Unless he slept through it, he has to be aware of the controvery. It is therefore impossible that he could appt him to anything 'unknowingly'..

    I think I'll listen to the Pope instead of you. :popcorn:

    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Re: Leo XIII: The First Liberal Pope Who Went Beyond His Authority
    « Reply #24 on: October 23, 2021, 08:50:39 PM »
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  • Pius X was PRESENT( & btw you were not) IN THE CONCLAVE( & voted for Card Rampolla) when the alleged 'veto' fiasco took place. Unless he slept through it, he has to be aware of the controvery. It is therefore impossible that he could appt him to anything 'unknowingly'..

    I think I'll listen to the Pope instead of you. :popcorn:


    Roscoe Rampolla :confused: 
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Leo XIII: The First Liberal Pope Who Went Beyond His Authority
    « Reply #25 on: October 23, 2021, 09:35:19 PM »
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  • Roscoe Rampolla :confused:

    Roscoe,

    In your family bloodline, is there some connection with the Rampolla name?

    I ask because your position that Rampolla’s papacy being thwarted was a bad thing?   

    How could a Freemason being Pope be good ?

    Giuseppe Sarto was of humble stock and it was noted he had no aspirations or confidence to be Pope.   He voted for Rampolla and even at the post Rampolla voting rounds, it’s unlikely he voted for himself.

    Within the traditional Catholic movement, it is widely held that Pope Pius X’s election was  of Divine Providence to keep the ʝʊdɛօ-masons from destroying the Church at an earlier point in time.

    Do you have another take on these historical events?
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Leo XIII: The First Liberal Pope Who Went Beyond His Authority
    « Reply #26 on: October 23, 2021, 09:56:55 PM »
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  • Within the traditional Catholic movement, it is widely held that Pope Pius X’s election was  of Divine Providence to keep the ʝʊdɛօ-masons from destroying the Church at an earlier point in time.


    MO is that you are either insane or insincere.  :incense:
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    Re: Leo XIII: The First Liberal Pope Who Went Beyond His Authority
    « Reply #27 on: October 23, 2021, 10:03:11 PM »
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  • Pius X was PRESENT( & btw you were not) IN THE CONCLAVE( & voted for Card Rampolla) when the alleged 'veto' fiasco took place. Unless he slept through it, he has to be aware of the controvery. It is therefore impossible that he could appt him to anything 'unknowingly'..
    Of course he voted Rampolla, not many knew about his affiliations to Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. Also, St. Pius X tried to avoid so much being Pope - he says it in his first speeches - so it's understandable.
    𝖅𝖊𝖑𝖔 𝖟𝖊𝖑𝖆𝖙𝖚𝖘 𝖘𝖚𝖒 𝖕𝖗𝖔 𝕯𝖔𝖒𝖎𝖓𝖔 𝕯𝖊𝖔 𝖊𝖝𝖊𝖗𝖈𝖎𝖙𝖚𝖚𝖒.

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    Re: Leo XIII: The First Liberal Pope Who Went Beyond His Authority
    « Reply #28 on: October 23, 2021, 10:18:12 PM »
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  • The prob w/ the above post is that the lie Card Rampolla was a FMason is apparently believed.... :laugh1:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Re: Leo XIII: The First Liberal Pope Who Went Beyond His Authority
    « Reply #29 on: October 23, 2021, 11:32:14 PM »
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  • The prob w/ the above post is that the lie Card Rampolla was a FMason is apparently believed.... :laugh1:


    Okay, so we’ve established that you believe Rampolla is innocent of the charges of being a high level mason.

    So we need to bring forth more solid evidence of his masonic connections for you.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi