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Offline Philothea3

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Legal age for drinking
« on: December 29, 2022, 09:48:26 AM »
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    • Do you think as a Catholic you should have your family obey the laws of different legal age for drinking?
    Most traditional Catholic families I know will prefer giving alcohol to children relatively young to train their modification. But the N.O. families I know will argue "Caesar to Caesar" and therefore you should obey all the laws that are not against morals and therefore no alcohol until that age by law.
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    Re: Legal age for drinking
    « Reply #1 on: December 29, 2022, 10:06:44 AM »
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    • I think a tit for tat instinct of obeying basic secular Law that Connects with Natural Law should be obeyed  however with such a case like Drinking Alcoholic beverages for Underage Catholics, in reasonable circuмstances it is acceptable for a Parent to give their son or daughter a drink.
    As for the bit on "giving alcohol to children relatively young to train their modification" , based on experience, if you give a  young teen a glass of wine during dinner, it helps them realise Alcohol in moderated amounts is well and not to go overboard(If i worded that correctly Lol)
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    Re: Legal age for drinking
    « Reply #2 on: December 29, 2022, 10:13:09 AM »
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    • I think it varies by state (in the US) but there is generally no law forbidding people under the age of 21 from consuming alcohol supplied by their parents, in the home of their parents. I would assume laws are even more lenient in European countries
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    Re: Legal age for drinking
    « Reply #3 on: December 29, 2022, 10:19:53 AM »
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    • I support observing non sinful laws. However some states allow underage drinking provided it is supervised by a guardian.
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    Re: Legal age for drinking
    « Reply #4 on: December 29, 2022, 11:17:22 AM »
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    • I knew a family who allowed their 5 children to drink alcohol while underage and children became alcoholics, druggies and sodomites. ( Most wine and beer now has nitrates and added corn syrup which causes cancer. )  Grapes are heavily sprayed.  

    The other day, I noticed a grand parent feeding their three year old little girl Gatorade and juice boxes that use corn syrup.  Gross.



    The best drink to drink is water.  It is the straight from God. 














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    Re: Legal age for drinking
    « Reply #5 on: December 29, 2022, 11:41:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on December 29, 2022, 11:17:22 AM
    I knew a family who allowed their 5 children to drink alcohol while underage and children became alcoholics, druggies and sodomites. ( Most wine and beer now has nitrates and added corn syrup which causes cancer. )  Grapes are heavily sprayed. 

    The other day, I noticed a grand parent feeding their three year old little girl Gatorade and juice boxes that use corn syrup.  Gross.



    The best drink to drink is water.  It is the straight from God.

    This sounds puritanical. My father used to give us wine at dinner time as did his father to him. 

    BTW: What even is underage? When I was growing up the drinking age was 18, now it’s 21. So if they change it to 25, is that ok with you? 

    The government isn’t even competent in balancing a checkbook, who gives it the right to decide when *your* child is old enough to drink? 
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    Re: Legal age for drinking
    « Reply #6 on: December 29, 2022, 11:49:21 AM »
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    • I think Underage in the US refers to below 21 while in the rest of Europe is Under 16 or Under 18.
    Once again It's for the Prudence of the Parents for moderation really.
    Furthermore Culture heavily Influences drinking, such as in France, Glass of Wine before any meal is common place and under my assumption an alcoholic in the US would be a normal Pub attender in England.
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    Re: Legal age for drinking
    « Reply #7 on: December 29, 2022, 12:36:06 PM »
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    • It’s funny, I remember when the government changed the drinking age to 21, I recognized it as another effort of it trying to gain more control. Today, it’s accepted as perfectly normal government overreach. :facepalm:
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    Re: Legal age for drinking
    « Reply #8 on: December 29, 2022, 12:57:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 29, 2022, 12:36:06 PM
    It’s funny, I remember when the government changed the drinking age to 21, I recognized it as another effort of it trying to gain more control. Today, it’s accepted as perfectly normal government overreach. :facepalm:
    Funnily enough it was the Neo-Conservative Idea of the New Right "Evangelicals" to upper the Drinking Laws. Ronald Regan to appease would actually supersede and legislate all the Federal rules of Drinking.
    If I'm correct as well notable Republicans fought against the MNDA Act such as  , Barry Goldwater and Storm Thurmond (Paleo-Libertarian Types:cowboy:), take that as you will,  however I'm sure the 81-16 Vote in favour  would have been a bombshell at the time.

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    Re: Legal age for drinking
    « Reply #9 on: December 29, 2022, 01:00:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on December 29, 2022, 11:17:22 AM


    The other day, I noticed a grand parent feeding their three year old little girl Gatorade and juice boxes that use corn syrup.  Gross.



    The best drink to drink is water.  It is the straight from God.
    The Main question is.... Who in there right mind would give a three year old granddaughter a bottle of Gatorade? The heaps of Sugar in Gatorade is pure toxic.
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    Re: Legal age for drinking
    « Reply #10 on: December 29, 2022, 01:03:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Philothea3 on December 29, 2022, 09:48:26 AM
    But the N.O. families I know will argue "Caesar to Caesar" and therefore you should obey all the laws that are not against morals and therefore no alcohol until that age by law.

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    Re: Legal age for drinking
    « Reply #11 on: December 29, 2022, 01:12:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on December 29, 2022, 11:17:22 AM
    I knew a family who allowed their 5 children to drink alcohol while underage and children became alcoholics, druggies and sodomites.
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    Re: Legal age for drinking
    « Reply #12 on: December 29, 2022, 01:47:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 29, 2022, 11:41:41 AM
    This sounds puritanical. My father used to give us wine at dinner time as did his father to him.

    BTW: What even is underage? When I was growing up the drinking age was 18, now it’s 21. So if they change it to 25, is that ok with you?

    The government isn’t even competent in balancing a checkbook, who gives it the right to decide when *your* child is old enough to drink?
    I agree with this. And 21 for legal age to drink seems totally bizzare to me. I personally grew up with my family treating alcohol as a very neutral thing and I was always offered a drink as young as 10 in family gatherings, with me always rejecting it because I thought alcohol tasted disgusting. The law was there for 18 and nobody really cared. I was not planning to observe such laws with my children either but those N.O. catholics seem to have a good point from a catholic perspective :(
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    Re: Legal age for drinking
    « Reply #13 on: December 29, 2022, 02:58:49 PM »
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    • Mind altering substances should be avoided as long as possible until the brain is fully developed (25 years for boys and around 20 for girls)

    Until you've lived long enough to have seen the disastrous affects of alcohol, which can take years to manifest, you don't really understand how dangerous they can be.

    The rare drink at home might be OK for a very special reason but I wouldn't encourage it as you never know which child will end up becoming addicted.

    Our family and relatives were European so there was alcohol in the house.  If were had a cold we were given a teaspoon of whiskey. or a tablespoon of wine for a bad stomach ache.  This never had any mind altering affect.  HOWEVER... when my brother was in his 20's he thought he could handle liquor as it never had an affect on him, well we watched him go from a kind considerate good provider to a belligerent degenerate who we buried at 57 years old.

    When you watch families fall apart and watch a mother die a year later from a broken heart...it's not something you ever want to go through.

    When you see the number of teens killed in car accidents because of alcohol and the drunk drivers who kill others I don't think the government in this instance is trying to be controlling but are actually doing their job by restricting the sale and consumption  of all mind altering substances to adults.


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    Re: Legal age for drinking
    « Reply #14 on: December 29, 2022, 03:22:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: ThatBritPapist on December 29, 2022, 01:00:37 PM
    The Main question is.... Who in there right mind would give a three year old granddaughter a bottle of Gatorade? The heaps of Sugar in Gatorade is pure toxic.
    Grandmom is Mexican immigrant and daughter brainwashed by American public school.  The young girl was pregnant and Thanks be to God that I was there to talk to her and she kept her baby.   Now the child needs a better diet.  

      I have seen the Irish in USA give their toddler Pepsi in the baby bottle.  That was gross.  





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