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Learn the TRUTH about the Holohoax here!
« on: June 13, 2019, 11:16:26 PM »
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  • This website someone sent me is incredible! Absolutely amazing. Tons of photos, scans, evidence, and a ton of apologetics material for proving that the Holocaust was the biggest hoax in history (at least at the time).

    https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/

    Very easy to read, easy to browse, well formatted, I GUARANTEE you will learn something, even if you just spend 5 minutes there.

    Go ahead, I dare you.

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    Re: Learn the TRUTH about the Holohoax here!
    « Reply #1 on: June 14, 2019, 02:19:31 AM »
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  • Looks like their YouTube channel has been censored. Were the videos working for you?
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    « Reply #2 on: June 14, 2019, 06:56:03 AM »
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  • A meandering rumination:

    I recall first learning of the Barnes Review (the Concentration Camp Money issue referenced on the website/link Matthew found) while at the seminary in Winona.  

    Bishop Williamson had mentioned it in one of our spiritual conferences.

    I remember at the time wondering to myself, "What in the hell are we talking about the flippin' holocaust for in a spiritial conference?"

    That, coupled with my scruples about supplied jurisdiction (and consequently, the liceity of me even being in the seminary at all), and the very recent 911 stuff (i.e., I was in the seminary for the momentous 2001-2002 academic year, which also saw the fall of Campos), were all militating against my vocation.

    Everything in my mind was screaming, "This stuff is crazy!  Get out!"

    I recall being very excited that the SSPX had just recently paraded into Rome for the 2000 pilgrimage, and how I had hoped the Fellayists would trump the Williamsonites, and that +Fellay's desire for an accord even back in 2001 would present a solution to my scruples, as well as ridding the Society of the looney's like Bishop Williamson.

    But I was a recent half-convert from the indult world.

    Legalism was everything to me.

    The doctrine of supplied jurisdiction was so......"theoretical," versus the very practical opposition to (and condemnation by) the Pope.

    My vocation was doomed before I ever walked in the door.

    Reflecting back on it all, I see clearly that God had put me there for a reason:

    I had lived and suffered, interiorly, from the very affliction which now weakens the SSPX.

    God wanted that from me, so that I could later defend Tradition from an intimate knowledge of what is causing the betrayal of it.

    After my abrupt departure from the seminary, the "pressure" was off.

    I could then take my time to study and internalize supplied jurisdiction and the SSPX apologetics (e.g., SiSiNoNo/Angelus article "The 1988 Consecrations: A Theological Study"), as well as the seemingly peripherally related issues on the greater crisis in the world at large.

    This allowed me to recover my strength.

    A maturation of the ideas of Christ the King (particularly in the writings of Fr. Denis Fahey) and the wider battle which included economics, politics, monetary policy, etc. convinced me that the crazy and irrelevant things Bishop Williamson spoke about were not so off-point as I used to think they were.

    I was seeing at a higher, broader level now.

    But I couldn't do that before leaving the seminary, because the pressure of so many conflicting themes (excommunication, invalid confessions, necessity or not?, 911, Campos capitulating, holocaust, etc, etc) were all too much: I had jumped into the frying pan too soon.

    I believe many SSPXers (including the General Coucil and many district Superiors) suffer the same suppressed battle, and it is what accounts for the large defection movement away from Archbishop Lefebvre:

    They were all willing to follow his magnetic and charismatic personality, and had a personal trust in him.  But many never acquired a comfort with his later positions.  And when he was gone, the internal conflicts and the internal monologues of many presented themselves for the first time.  With the peace which was brought by the great Archbishop and the authority which caused that peace, the unacknowledged fires of scruples, legalism, and doubt emerged for the first time, or at least persisted for the first time.

    It is what explains the passionate persecution of Bishop WIlliamson by the likes of Fr. Pfluger, Bishop Fellay, et al:

    They see in him their own damnation, and hell or high water, they are going to get a deal, and no "crazy Bishop Williamson" is going to be allowed to come between thee SSPX and conciliar Rome!

    I know this from having experienced it, and now I write about it.

    This explanation (i.e., the psychological attack) is the charitable explanation, as opposed to the mole/Masonic subversion explanation.  This latter may be the angle which causes Rome's motivations.  But for the SSPX, most of them are quivering in their boots (and have been for decades).

    They can't wait any longer.

    I understand this.

    When a mania builds within a man, he can't think straight.  Yes, he can reason perfectly well, but those reasonings will not pacify the fires of doubt and the subsequent emotions which have gained an undue influence over his intellectual faculties.

    Whatever his perfect reasonings dictate and conclude, they will not smother the butterflies swirling around in his bowels.

    But at the end of the day, the truth was this:

    Williamson had/has a broader view of the crisis, and therefore was not subject to the psychological attacks of the devil.

    He was right all along.

    But Menzingen was never able to internalize this in the post-Lefebvre SSPX, and the devil used it to divide, then sink, the Society.A meandering rumination:
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    « Reply #3 on: June 14, 2019, 08:13:05 AM »
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  • What I've noticed about a lot of people with the Faith -- they are willing to be different from the world. They were often trained in their youth to have an "Us" and "Them" mentality when it comes to religion. Their parents taught by word and example that the Faith is a big deal.

    I heard something interesting yesterday. I was listening to an interview on LifeSiteNews with "Mother Miriam", a convert from Judaism who is now a nun wearing a traditional habit. You listen to the interview, and it sounds like she truly has the Faith. And she was brought up Jewish. Not secular Jewish, but orthodox Jewish -- she specifically said that her parents taught her that they are the Chosen People, and that there are two kinds of people in the world: Jews and non-Jews.

    It sounds like she was of good will the whole time, during her whole journey. She believed God and religion were a matter of life and death. "If this is the truth, then I'd better fight against the errors!" She didn't just want her own personal religion that worked for her, she wanted ALL to escape error and save their souls. In short, she believed in objective truth. She was constantly seeking God's objective truth.

    Of course we know those Jewish parents were in error. But at least the STRONG, REAL BELIEF IN SOMETHING was there. If you could just convert that to the True Faith, you'd be in business! Nowadays people don't have any fundamentals (beliefs) and so they are all lukewarm. With the majority of men, religion is a farce. It's pretended and acted out for social reasons, for emotional NIFs (nice internal feelings), or to please society or one's wife. Our Lord would rather you be hot or cold (like St. Paul before his conversion) -- He can work with that! A little illumination here, a movement of grace there, a throwing from the horse over here -- and you have yourself a fervent apostle!
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    « Reply #4 on: June 14, 2019, 08:21:17 AM »
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  • “Be ye hot or cold.  The lukewarm I will vomit from my mouth.”


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    « Reply #5 on: June 14, 2019, 08:27:02 AM »
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    They see in him their own damnation, and hell or high water, they are going to get a deal, and no "crazy Bishop Williamson" is going to be allowed to come between thee SSPX and conciliar Rome!
    Interesting perspective.  Surely many Catholics are tired of the fight and willing for a truce with new-rome so they can “relax”.  Maybe some priests joined the sspx with +ABL with the hope that such a truce would happen in the 80s (when that fell through, some left to join the FSSP).  Then they hoped for the 2000s.  Certainly +Benedict gave them the best shot in decades (according to their weak, wimpy catholic minds).  

    I do believe that many in the new-sspx fall into this mindset.  But there has to be some Masonic infiltration, however small.  The coincidences are too many.  

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    « Reply #6 on: June 14, 2019, 08:38:30 AM »
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  • The modern world is Freemasonic in its thinking.
    Bishop Fellay thinks along the lines of the modern world.
    Does that mean Bp. Fellay is a Freemason?

    Logically, you can't conclude that.

    I think it's more likely that the Freemasons made the modern world, and the modern world made a BUNCH of people, including many priests (and Bishop Fellay) in the neo-SSPX.
    Of course if you're aligned with the Modern World you're going to be aligned with the Freemasons whose spirit animates the Modern World.
    NEVERTHELESS, such persons have never set foot a lodge, and perhaps know nothing about the Freemasons specifically.


    So there are doubtless many SSPX parishioners and priests who have the Freemasons' spirit, but they got it from the Modern World, not the Lodge.

    It's in the air we breathe, remember. Unless you're lucky enough to have parents who put a breathing mask and oxygen tank on you from the time you were small, you're going to get infected somewhat.
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    « Reply #7 on: June 14, 2019, 08:44:44 AM »
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  • Also, it's a fact that the Freemasons have stated they didn't want a Pope who was a Freemason. They wanted one who was formed by their ideals, etc. but NOT a card-carrying member. They want plausible deniability, remember!

    If that was true for their takeover of the Church, how much more so the takeover of the lifeboat, the SSPX?

    Which group had more individuals well-informed about Freemasonry, always looking out for Masonic influence? I'd have to say "the SSPX" even though it's a much smaller group. 

    If the Freemasons preferred not to have a card-carrying member as Pope, they CERTAINLY wouldn't want a card-carrying member as head of the SSPX. He'd be exposed in 10 minutes by the hundreds of Trads who know about Freemasonry. You don't think Trads would know what it means when they see Bp. Fellay (or other SSPX priests) entering a local Lodge?

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    Re: Learn the TRUTH about the Holohoax here!
    « Reply #8 on: June 14, 2019, 08:48:18 AM »
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  • It sounds like she was of good will the whole time, during her whole journey. 

    And that's precisely why God lead her to Catholic faith.  Those who seek in good will, God guarantees that they will find.

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    « Reply #9 on: June 14, 2019, 08:56:03 AM »
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  • Another point about "SSPX Masonic infiltration" -

    I won't say there isn't any, because there are a LOT of priests in the organization.

    But I don't think +Fellay was. He was too well known. When did he ever visit a Lodge, much less go to one regularly and rise through the ranks? You can't become a Freemason by correspondence course (by mail or online).

    He was geographically/physically close to the SSPX from his very childhood.

    Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, had huge gaps in her life where she went to the Soviet Union. Do you suppose that's where she got the full package of Communism, and became a full-fledged Communist agent? See that at least makes sense. We observe that she seems communist, and what do you know? She actually went to the Soviet Union for some time.
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  • I believe there is plenty of room for both those who know what they are doing and those who don't.

    As to the OP, there is a book The Myth of German Villainy that is really interesting too. It isn't specifically about the holocaust but it is similar to the Plot Against the Church in that it really delves into the Jewish Bolshevik leaders' roles as aggressors against Western Christian Civilization. There are parts that I cannot read. It is amazing that the German atrocities (there must have been some) and myths about their atrocities are immortalized while the Bolsheviks are barely held accountable for their horrific reigns of terror. 

    These types of revelations have made me question the movie The Scarlet and the Black, which I always loved. I don't know anymore.    


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  • A meandering rumination:

    I recall first learning of the Barnes Review (the Concentration Camp Money issue referenced on the website/link Matthew found) while at the seminary in Winona.  

    Bishop Williamson had mentioned it in one of our spiritual conferences.

    I remember at the time wondering to myself, "What in the hell are we talking about the flippin' holocaust for in a spiritial conference?"

    That, coupled with my scruples about supplied jurisdiction (and consequently, the liceity of me even being in the seminary at all), and the very recent 911 stuff (i.e., I was in the seminary for the momentous 2001-2002 academic year, which also saw the fall of Campos), were all militating against my vocation.

    Everything in my mind was screaming, "This stuff is crazy!  Get out!"

    I recall being very excited that the SSPX had just recently paraded into Rome for the 2000 pilgrimage, and how I had hoped the Fellayists would trump the Williamsonites, and that +Fellay's desire for an accord even back in 2001 would present a solution to my scruples, as well as ridding the Society of the looney's like Bishop Williamson.

    But I was a recent half-convert from the indult world.

    Legalism was everything to me.

    The doctrine of supplied jurisdiction was so......"theoretical," versus the very practical opposition to (and condemnation by) the Pope.

    My vocation was doomed before I ever walked in the door.

    Reflecting back on it all, I see clearly that God had put me there for a reason:

    I had lived and suffered, interiorly, from the very affliction which now weakens the SSPX.

    God wanted that from me, so that I could later defend Tradition from an intimate knowledge of what is causing the betrayal of it.

    After my abrupt departure from the seminary, the "pressure" was off.

    I could then take my time to study and internalize supplied jurisdiction and the SSPX apologetics (e.g., SiSiNoNo/Angelus article "The 1988 Consecrations: A Theological Study"), as well as the seemingly peripherally related issues on the greater crisis in the world at large.

    This allowed me to recover my strength.

    A maturation of the ideas of Christ the King (particularly in the writings of Fr. Denis Fahey) and the wider battle which included economics, politics, monetary policy, etc. convinced me that the crazy and irrelevant things Bishop Williamson spoke about were not so off-point as I used to think they were.

    I was seeing at a higher, broader level now.

    But I couldn't do that before leaving the seminary, because the pressure of so many conflicting themes (excommunication, invalid confessions, necessity or not?, 911, Campos capitulating, holocaust, etc, etc) were all too much: I had jumped into the frying pan too soon.

    I believe many SSPXers (including the General Coucil and many district Superiors) suffer the same suppressed battle, and it is what accounts for the large defection movement away from Archbishop Lefebvre:

    They were all willing to follow his magnetic and charismatic personality, and had a personal trust in him.  But many never acquired a comfort with his later positions.  And when he was gone, the internal conflicts and the internal monologues of many presented themselves for the first time.  With the peace which was brought by the great Archbishop and the authority which caused that peace, the unacknowledged fires of scruples, legalism, and doubt emerged for the first time, or at least persisted for the first time.

    It is what explains the passionate persecution of Bishop WIlliamson by the likes of Fr. Pfluger, Bishop Fellay, et al:

    They see in him their own damnation, and hell or high water, they are going to get a deal, and no "crazy Bishop Williamson" is going to be allowed to come between thee SSPX and conciliar Rome!

    I know this from having experienced it, and now I write about it.

    This explanation (i.e., the psychological attack) is the charitable explanation, as opposed to the mole/Masonic subversion explanation.  This latter may be the angle which causes Rome's motivations.  But for the SSPX, most of them are quivering in their boots (and have been for decades).

    They can't wait any longer.

    I understand this.

    When a mania builds within a man, he can't think straight.  Yes, he can reason perfectly well, but those reasonings will not pacify the fires of doubt and the subsequent emotions which have gained an undue influence over his intellectual faculties.

    Whatever his perfect reasonings dictate and conclude, they will not smother the butterflies swirling around in his bowels.

    But at the end of the day, the truth was this:

    Williamson had/has a broader view of the crisis, and therefore was not subject to the psychological attacks of the devil.

    He was right all along.

    But Menzingen was never able to internalize this in the post-Lefebvre SSPX, and the devil used it to divide, then sink, the Society.A meandering rumination:
    Excellent!   :applause:

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    « Reply #13 on: June 15, 2019, 12:47:38 PM »
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  • Thanks SI.

    I wonder if, after the SSPX received ordinary jurisdiction from Francis, there were long lines of SSPX priests making general confessions to each other?

    Conversely, I wonder how many today would be plunged into turmoil and a crisis of conscience were that jurisdiction revoked?
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #14 on: June 15, 2019, 04:39:26 PM »
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  • A song for the occasion (my parody of the Fleetwood Mac version.) ;) :D

    "Tell me lies"

    If I could turn the page
    In time then I'd rearrange just a fact or two
    Close my, close my, close my eyes

    But I couldn't find a way
    So I'll settle for one day to believe in Jews
    Tell me, tell me, tell me lies

    Tell me lies, tell me foul Jewish lies
    (Tell me lies, tell me, tell me lies)
    Oh, no, no you can't disguise
    (You can't disguise, no you can't disguise)
    Tell me lies, tell me foul Jewish lies

    Although there are no gas chamber plans
    I hope that you understand there's a reason why
    Close your, close your, close your eyes

    A lot more broken minds
    Truth is taken apart let's give it a try
    Tell me, tell me, tell me lies

    Tell me lies, tell me foul Jewish lies
    (Tell me lies, tell me, tell me lies)
    Oh, no, no you can't disguise
    (You can't disguise, no you can't disguise)
    Tell me lies, tell me foul Jewish lies

    If I could turn the page
    In time then I'd rearrange just a fact or two
    Close my, close my, close my eyes

    Juden always could find a way
    So I'll settle for one day to believe in Jews
    Tell me, tell me, tell me lies

    Tell me lies, tell me foul Jewish lies
    (Tell me lies, tell me, tell me lies)
    Oh, no, no you can't disguise
    (You can't disguise, no you can't disguise)
    Tell me lies, tell me foul Jewish lies

    (Tell me lies, tell me, tell me lies)
    Oh, no, no you can't disguise
    (You can't disguise, no you can't disguise)
    Tell me lies, tell me foul Jewish lies
    (Tell me, tell me lies)

     

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