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Author Topic: Latest Kolbe Center re Fr. Robinson's The Realist Guide to Religion and Science  (Read 1835 times)

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I inquired of Hugh Owen directly regarding this matter and he was so kind as to send me this gracious reply:

Dear ...............,

Pax Christi!

It's great to hear from you.

In my original "corrected version" of the newsletter, the last paragraph was removed.  That is because it gives the false impression that the author rejects the traditional teaching of the Church.  In reality, he does not.  If you read the whole book, you will see that he defers to the traditional  teaching on geocentrism, but it isn't his main focus.  He preferred to focus on the traditional teaching on special creation, and the Flood, and the traditional Biblical chronology of the world.

Unfortunately, when the "corrected" version was posted, it did not have the last correction that I had asked for--i.e., to have the last paragraph removed so that it would not give the false impression that the author endorsed heliocentrism.  One "corrected version" is enough, so as my penance I have to write an individual email like this one to the few readers who are zealous enough for the truth of geocentrism to give me the fraternal correction I deserve!

Please keep the Kolbe Center in your prayers.

In Domino,

Hugh Owen

Quote from above: 'last paragraph removed so that it would not give the false impression that the author endorsed heliocentrism.'

Of course Fr Robinson endorsed heliocentrism. But like other clever writers he uses others to do this. On page 280 of his book he shows how stellar parallax can show how heliocentrism is correct without saying it is. He writes 'As Jaki pointed out, it was not really until a statistically significant parallax was observed that heliocentrism was grounded in strict scientific evidence.'

On page 284 Fr Robinson writes; 'That condemnation [of Galileo in 1633]  admittedly went too far, but in no way did it involve the Church's infallibility  or make of geocentrism a dogma of Catholic belief.' He quotes Koestler, born a Jew, as the one who decided this.

 On page 486 Fr Robinson writes The discoveries of scientists like Kepler, Galileo and Newton were novel and compelling. they were accompanied by empirical proof, proofs based on tangible evidence.'

Does this statement above say that Fr Robinson was RIGHT (positive) when denying 'sunrise' as the sun literally rising. Is Kolbe, a creationist center, not aware that was defined and declared formal heresy?

Given the FIRST evolutionary theory arose from this same heretical heliocentrism, the 1796 Nebular theory, that the heliocentric system evolved, began the very evolution illusion Kolbe are fighting against, why would they go along with it?

Given the SSPX website also goes along with the rejection of the 1616 and 1633 decrees that defined and declared heliocentrism formal heresy, we now find Kolbe Center joining in with them. That is a far more serious position than being a theistic evolutionist.

 

Hi there.   Can you give the titles to the 1616 and 1633 decrees that declared heliocentrism formal heresy?   I am in a heated debate with some folks over this stuff and these resources would prove helpful, I believe. 


Hi there.  Can you give the titles to the 1616 and 1633 decrees that declared heliocentrism formal heresy?  I am in a heated debate with some folks over this stuff and these resources would prove helpful, I believe.
Here is what a quick "Copilot" search came up with, try it yourself and it will be easier to read as the various icons, etc. do not show up so big in the original.

The 1616 and 1633 Decrees on Heliocentrism
In 1616 the Roman Inquisition formally condemned the Copernican proposition that the Sun is the immobile center of the world as “absurd in philosophy” and “formally heretical” because it contradicted Scripture; in 1633 the Holy Office reiterated this condemnation in Galileo’s trial, ordering him to abandon teaching heliocentrism as truth and banning related books.
The 1616 Decree
On 24 February 1616, a panel of theologians consulted by the Holy Office (the Roman Inquisition) examined the Copernican theory. Their report, as preserved in the Vatican archives, declared that the proposition “the Sun is the center of the world and does not move from its place” was “foolish and absurd in philosophy” and “formally heretical” because it “expressly contradicts… Holy Scripture” in many passages, according to the literal meaning and the common interpretation of the Church Fathers [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.75)]www.vaticanobservatory.orgwww.vaticanobservatory.org+1[/url].[/font][/size][/color]
The decision was influenced by Cardinal Bellarmine’s belief that neither Ptolemaic nor Copernican models were physically true, but that heliocentrism posed theological risks—such as implying inhabited planets and challenging doctrines like original sin and the Incarnation [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.75)]www.dsm.fordham.eduwww.dsm.fordham.edu[/url]. The decree was a non‑trial warning: Galileo was told not to defend heliocentrism as true, though he was allowed to teach it as a hypothesis, provided he also taught arguments against it [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.75)]Cambridge University Press & AssessmentCambridge University Press & Assessment+1[/color].[/font][/size][/color]
The 1633 Decree
By 1632–33, the Holy Office had renewed its investigation. In April 1633, Galileo was summoned, and on 10 May 1633 his formal trial began [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.75)]Cambridge University Press & AssessmentCambridge University Press & Assessment[/url]. The 1633 sentence repeated the 1616 condemnation, stating that the proposition that the Sun is the center of the world and immovable is “absurd and false philosophically and formally heretical” because it contradicts Scripture [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.75)]RedditReddit[/color].[/font][/size][/color]
Galileo was compelled to abjure his belief in heliocentrism under threat of torture, and the Holy Office ordered the ban of all books promoting the theory [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.75)]RedditReddit[/url]. This was not a papal infallible teaching but a judicial ruling against an individual, yet it effectively codified the Church’s official stance at the time [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.75)]RedditReddit[/color].[/font][/size][/color]
Key Points
These two decrees are the formal Church docuмents that, in the eyes of historians, marked the official condemnation of heliocentrism as heresy in Catholic teaching.