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Author Topic: Latest Kolbe Center re Fr. Robinson's The Realist Guide to Religion and Science  (Read 3614 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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I recall many years ago when Fr. Paul Robinson started writing his book.  My impression was that someone in the SSPX hierarchy had put him up to it.  They flattered him and he became their techno-stooge for the purposes of science rebranding the SSPX.

This was circa 2012 when Max Krah was still sneaking around establishing a contract with a Dutch marketing company.
That agenda was to assist the SSPX in dumping their frumpy conspiracy minded trads and move the herd more smoothly into modernity.



That's possible, and it wouldn't have been the first time the SSPX did that, flattered a priest, and use their pride to bait them into doing their dirty work.  "You have this degree and are our top theologian where it comes to matter of science."

Now, we Catholics don't believe in their "explanations", BUT ... here's an AI summary of what I've seen already from the scientists themselves, where I asked it if secular non-creationists scientists have come to believe in a massive worldwide water event that took place aboutu 10,000 to 12,000 years ago.  So our great scientific mind, Fr. Paul Robinson, is way behind the times, since this water event is being recognized as WORLDWIDE.  We see here a "kicking against the goad" where they're coming up with nonsense like "Meltwater Pulse", and sudden bursting of glacial ice dams, but explanation #3 gets closer, and it's due to the fact that these events were so sudden that even the non-creationists weren't buying the simultaneous meltwater pulse nonsense.
There is a small "rub" with everything you are saying.  Believing that the Creation-period was longer than 6 24-days /=/ believing in "evolutionism".

That is the first point.


There is a common misunderstanding floating around (and this seems to have been promoted in part by the Kolbe Center) that "old-earth Creationism" is equivalent to "evolution".

They are not the same.    In fact the Pontifical Biblical Commission of 1909 upheld that a Catholic was allowed to believe in a younger earth or an older earth, based on varying interpretations of the Hebrew word "yom".

If God did not create the sun until day 4, that alone is enough to give one pause as to the literal 24-hour day period.   

I am not saying that the 24-hour day period is wrong.  I am not saying that it is right.  I am saying that there are QUESTIONS about for how long God created and that currently, the Church allows a person to have these questions in regards to how long it took God to create the world.


Evolution is anti-Christ and anti-God and the Kolbe Center has done great work debunking that part.


It's just that they have nearly-"dogmatized" the young earth position, when in fact, the Church has not done this.

There was just an excellent debate on this on LifeSite News featuring Dr. Ed Mazza and Hugh Owen.  Dr. Mazza brings up good information on what the Church actually says.

I've got to run, but have more to say on this topic.  Hopefully at a later time.

Okay: back:  NEXT...

Secondly, St. Maximillian Kolbe HIMSELF believed in an old-earth.  Stop and ponder that for a moment.  The saint that the Kolbe Center chose for its patron (while he was clearly against so-called evolution) was NOT against the concept of an old earth. 

The saint was against evolution.

So clearly St. Maximillian Kolbe himself did not believe that belief in an older-earth was equal to belief in so-called "evolutionism". 

Why or how this gets overlooked by the Kolbe Center as they castigate anyone who does not believe in a young-earth is beyond me.  But there it is.


Offline AnthonyPadua

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There is a small "rub" with everything you are saying.  Believing that the Creation-period was longer than 6 24-days /=/ believing in "evolutionism".

That is the first point.


There is a common misunderstanding floating around (and this seems to have been promoted in part by the Kolbe Center) that "old-earth Creationism" is equivalent to "evolution".

They are not the same.    In fact the Pontifical Biblical Commission of 1909 upheld that a Catholic was allowed to believe in a younger earth or an older earth, based on varying interpretations of the Hebrew word "yom".

If God did not create the sun until day 4, that alone is enough to give one pause as to the literal 24-hour day period.   

I am not saying that the 24-hour day period is wrong.  I am not saying that it is right.  I am saying that there are QUESTIONS about for how long God created and that currently, the Church allows a person to have these questions in regards to how long it took God to create the world.


Evolution is anti-Christ and anti-God and the Kolbe Center has done great work debunking that part.


It's just that they have nearly-"dogmatized" the young earth position, when in fact, the Church has not done this.

There was just an excellent debate on this on LifeSite News featuring Dr. Ed Mazza and Hugh Owen.  Dr. Mazza brings up good information on what the Church actually says.

I've got to run, but have more to say on this topic.  Hopefully at a later time.

Okay: back:  NEXT...

Secondly, St. Maximillian Kolbe HIMSELF believed in an old-earth.  Stop and ponder that for a moment.  The saint that the Kolbe Center chose for its patron (while he was clearly against so-called evolution) was NOT against the concept of an old earth. 

The saint was against evolution.

So clearly St. Maximillian Kolbe himself did not believe that belief in an older-earth was equal to belief in so-called "evolutionism".

Why or how this gets overlooked by the Kolbe Center as they castigate anyone who does not believe in a young-earth is beyond me.  But there it is.
The fathers of the Church believed in a literally 24 hour period for creation. Vatican 1 says the world was made whole and inviolate.

The fathers of the Church believed in a literally 24 hour period for creation. Vatican 1 says the world was made whole and inviolate.
i see that you did not respond to ANY of the point that were made in the post.

*The CHURCH allows for both interpretations.  "Yom" as long period of time.  "Yom" as 24 hour period.

*ST. MAXIMILLIAN KOLBE himself believed in an old earth.

*NOT ALL THE FATHERS believed in a literal 24 hour period.

*NO ONE disagrees with Vatican I here.

*EVEN IF God created the world in 6 24-hour literal days (and He may well have), CATHOLICS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BELIEVE THIS ON PAIN OF THEIR SALVATION.  It is - as of yet -  not dogma.  

THAT is the point. 

Offline Ladislaus

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There is a small "rub" with everything you are saying.  Believing that the Creation-period was longer than 6 24-days /=/ believing in "evolutionism".

I'm not sure what part of when I said that I don't buy their dating and explanations escaped you, as the point wast that even modern secular scientists believe there was a worldwide (vs. local) flood event, with the 3rd explanation involving a sudden and dramatic flooding event, which Fr. Robinson declared impossible.