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Offline Cera

Re: Kansans vote to uphold abortion rights in their state
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2022, 06:04:14 PM »
The wording on the ballot was misleading.
see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2022/aug/02/kansas-abortion-ballot-language


Consitutional Amendment
Explanatory statement. The Value Them Both Amendment would affirm there is no Kansas constitutional right to abortion or to require the government funding of abortion, and would reserve to the people of Kansas, through their elected state legislators, the right to pass laws to regulate abortion, including, but not limited to, in circuмstances of pregnancy resulting from rape or incest, or when necessary to save the life of the mother.
A vote for the Value Them Both Amendment would affirm there is no Kansas constitutional right to abortion or to require the government funding of abortion, and would reserve to the people of Kansas, through their elected state legislators, the right to pass laws to regulate abortion.
A vote against the Value Them Both Amendment would make no changes to the constitution of the state of Kansas, and could restrict the people, through their elected state legislators, from regulating abortion by leaving in place the recently recognized right to abortion.
Shall the following be adopted?
§ 22. Regulation of abortion. Because Kansans value both women and children, the constitution of the state of Kansas does not require government funding of abortion and does not create or secure a right to abortion. To the extent permitted by the constitution of the United States, the people, through their elected state representatives and state senators, may pass laws regarding abortion, including, but not limited to, laws that account for circuмstances of pregnancy resulting from rape or incest, or circuмstances of necessity to save the life of the mother.


Vote Yes or No
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Kansans vote to uphold abortion rights in their state
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2022, 06:24:47 PM »
When I expressed skepticism about the legal wording of the Dobbs ruling, the one thing I did forget to mention is that these people have already demonstrated that they can rig votes however they want.  So who knows if the people actually voted this way or if this was just another rig job.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Kansans vote to uphold abortion rights in their state
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2022, 06:26:15 PM »
Quote from: Jr1991 on August 02, 2022, 11:29:52 PM
It goes to show how the US system of governance is flawed. Voters now sanction murder.

Well, according to Dobbs, the states are well within their rights to sanction murder, whether by popular vote or their legislators.  SCOTUS really needed to affirm that pre-born life is protected by the Constitution.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Kansans vote to uphold abortion rights in their state
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2022, 06:27:45 PM »
Quote from: Cera on August 03, 2022, 06:04:14 PM
The wording on the ballot was misleading.
see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2022/aug/02/kansas-abortion-ballot-language


Consitutional Amendment
Explanatory statement. The Value Them Both Amendment would affirm there is no Kansas constitutional right to abortion or to require the government funding of abortion, and would reserve to the people of Kansas, through their elected state legislators, the right to pass laws to regulate abortion, including, but not limited to, in circuмstances of pregnancy resulting from rape or incest, or when necessary to save the life of the mother.
A vote for the Value Them Both Amendment would affirm there is no Kansas constitutional right to abortion or to require the government funding of abortion, and would reserve to the people of Kansas, through their elected state legislators, the right to pass laws to regulate abortion.
A vote against the Value Them Both Amendment would make no changes to the constitution of the state of Kansas, and could restrict the people, through their elected state legislators, from regulating abortion by leaving in place the recently recognized right to abortion.
Shall the following be adopted?
§ 22. Regulation of abortion. Because Kansans value both women and children, the constitution of the state of Kansas does not require government funding of abortion and does not create or secure a right to abortion. To the extent permitted by the constitution of the United States, the people, through their elected state representatives and state senators, may pass laws regarding abortion, including, but not limited to, laws that account for circuмstances of pregnancy resulting from rape or incest, or circuмstances of necessity to save the life of the mother.


Vote Yes or No

I personally have no idea what this means, so you can imagine what your average products of the public school system thought of it.
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Offline Matthew

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Re: Kansans vote to uphold abortion rights in their state
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2022, 10:22:28 PM »
Quote from: Jr1991 on August 02, 2022, 11:20:38 PM
Kansas voters on Tuesday overwhelmingly struck down a proposed constitutional amendment that would remove language enshrining reproductive rights in their state, in a move widely seen as a victory for abortion rights activists.

A humiliating defeat in SSPX central.


Yes, but St. Mary's is only a small, small sliver of the Kansas population. I know Kansas is a flyover state, but it's not THAT unpopulated, where 4,000 Trads can dominate or even heavily influence the whole state.
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