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Title: JPII: Edith Stein Sisters Died in Gas Chambers
Post by: stevusmagnus on April 01, 2011, 11:30:24 PM
So how do the h0Ɩ0cαųst deniers explain St. Theresa Benedicta of the Cross dying in a gas chamber at Auschwitz along with many Catholic Jєωs from the Netherlands?

SERMON OF POPE JOHN PAUL II
FOR THE CANONIZATION OF EDITH STEIN
Sunday 11 October 1998


...4. Dear brothers and sisters! Because she was Jєωιѕн, Edith Stein was
taken with her sister Rosa and many other Catholic Jєωs from the
Netherlands to the cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ in Auschwitz, where she died
with them in the gas chambers.
Today we remember them all with deep
respect. A few days before her deportation, the woman religious had
dismissed the question about a possible rescue: “Do not do it! Why
should I be spared? Is it not right that I should gain no advantage
from my Baptism? If I cannot share the lot of my brothers and sisters,
my life, in a certain sense, is destroyed”.

From now on, as we celebrate the memory of this new saint from year to
year, we must also remember the Shoah, that cruel plan to exterminate
a people — a plan to which millions of our Jєωιѕн brothers and sisters
fell victim. May the Lord let his face shine upon them and grant them
peace (Num 6:25f.).


For the love of God and man, once again I raise an anguished cry: May
such criminal deeds never be repeated against any ethnic group,
against any race, in any corner of this world! It is a cry to
everyone: to all men of goodwill; to all who believe in the Just and
Eternal God; to all who know they are joined to Christ, the Word of
God made man. We must all stand together: human dignity is at stake.
There is only one human family. The new saint also insisted on this:
“Our love of neighbour is the measure of our love of God. For
Christians — and not only for them — no one is a ‘stranger’. The love
of Christ knows no borders”.


5. Dear brothers and sisters! The love of Christ was the fire that
inflamed the life of St Teresa Benedicta of the Cross. Long before she
realized it, she was caught by this fire. At the beginning she devoted
herself to freedom. For a long time Edith Stein was a seeker. Her mind
never tired of searching and her heart always yearned for hope. She
traveled the arduous path of philosophy with passionate enthusiasm.
Eventually she was rewarded: she seized the truth. Or better: she was
seized by it. Then she discovered that truth had a name: Jesus Christ.
From that moment on, the incarnate Word was her One and All. Looking
back as a Carmelite on this period of her life, she wrote to a
Benedictine nun: “Whoever seeks the truth is seeking God, whether
consciously or unconsciously”.

Although Edith Stein had been brought up religiously by her Jєωιѕн
mother, at the age of 14 she “had consciously and deliberately stopped
praying”. She wanted to rely exclusively on herself and was concerned
to assert her freedom in making decisions about her life. At the end
of a long journey, she came to the surprising realization: only those
who commit themselves to the love of Christ become truly free.

This woman had to face the challenges of such a radically changing
century as our own. Her experience is an example to us. The modern
world boasts of the enticing door which says: everything is permitted.
It ignores the narrow gate of discernment and renunciation. I am
speaking especially to you, young Christians, particularly to the many
altar boys who have come to Rome these days on pilgrimage: Pay
attention! Your life is not an endless series of open doors! Listen to
your heart! Do not stay on the surface, but go to the heart of things!
And when the time is right, have the courage to decide! The Lord is
waiting for you to put your freedom in His good hands.

6. St Teresa Benedicta of the Cross was able to understand that the
love of Christ and human freedom are intertwined, because love and
truth have an intrinsic relationship. The quest for truth and its
expression in love did not seem at odds to her; on the contrary she
realized that they call for one another.

In our time, truth is often mistaken for the opinion of the majority.
In addition, there is a widespread belief that one should use the
truth even against love or vice versa. But truth and love need each
other. St Teresa Benedicta is a witness to this. The “martyr for
love”, who gave her life for her friends, let no one surpass her in
love. At the same time, with her whole being she sought the truth, of
which she wrote: “No spiritual work comes into the world without great
suffering. It always challenges the whole person”.

St Teresa Benedicta of the Cross says to us all: Do not accept
anything as the truth if it lacks love. And do not accept anything as
love which lacks truth! One without the other becomes a destructive
lie.


7. Finally, the new saint teaches us that love for Christ undergoes
suffering. Whoever truly loves does not stop at the prospect of
suffering: he accepts communion in suffering with the one he loves.

Aware of what her Jєωιѕн origins implied, Edith Stein spoke eloquently
about them: “Beneath the Cross I understood the destiny of God’s
People.... Indeed, today I know far better what it means to be the
Lord’s bride under the sign of the Cross. But since it is a mystery,
it can never be understood by reason alone”.

The mystery of the Cross gradually enveloped her whole life, spurring
her to the point of making the supreme sacrifice. As a bride on the
Cross, Sr Teresa Benedicta did not only write profound pages about the
“science of the Cross”, but was thoroughly trained in the school of
the Cross. Many of our contemporaries would like to silence the Cross.
But nothing is more eloquent than the Cross when silenced! The true
message of suffering is a lesson of love. Love makes suffering
fruitful and suffering deepens love.

Through the experience of the Cross, Edith Stein was able to open the
way to a new encounter with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the
Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faith and the Cross proved
inseparable to her. Having matured in the school of the Cross, she
found the roots to which the tree of her own life was attached. She
understood that it was very important for her “to be a daughter of the
chosen people and to belong to Christ not only spiritually, but also
through blood”.

8. “God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit
and truth” (Jn 4:24).

Dear brothers and sisters, the divine Teacher spoke these words to the
Samaritan woman at Jacob’s well. What He gave His chance but attentive
listener we also find in the life of Edith Stein, in her “ascent of
Mount Carmel”. The depth of the divine mystery became perceptible to
her in the silence of contemplation. Gradually, throughout her life,
as she grew in the knowledge of God, worshiping Him in spirit and
truth, she experienced ever more clearly her specific vocation to
ascend the Cross with Christ, to embrace it with serenity and trust,
to love it by following in the footsteps of her beloved Spouse: St
Teresa Benedicta of the Cross is offered to us today as a model to
inspire us and a protectress to call upon.

We give thanks to God for this gift. May the new saint be an example
to us in our commitment to serve freedom, in our search for the truth.
May her witness constantly strengthen the bridge of mutual
understanding between Jєωs and Christians.


St Teresa Benedicta of the Cross, pray for us! Amen.
Title: JPII: Edith Stein Sisters Died in Gas Chambers
Post by: Telesphorus on April 02, 2011, 04:22:24 AM
Do you believe Edith Stein truly must be a saint?

Do you really go along with post-Vatican II canonizations?

John Paul II's "saint factory" - which seems like an effort to replace the saints of the past with new ones?

If you're trying to argue for existence of gas chambers on the basis of John Paul II's canonization process - then you need to try another line of argument.

Here's one for you Stevus:

How do you Opus Dei critics explain the canonization of Josemaria Escriva?
Title: JPII: Edith Stein Sisters Died in Gas Chambers
Post by: Jehanne on April 02, 2011, 06:39:17 AM
I hope that there are no h0Ɩ0cαųst deniers here on this board.  Bishop Williamson's comments several years ago have been "sand in the face" of the Traditional Catholic movement, a brush which our critics have tried to paint all of us with.  That the h0Ɩ0cαųst occurred and that 12 million people perished in it is beyond dispute.  What needs to be emphasized, however, is that there have been other h0Ɩ0cαųsts, such as the one that occurred in North America with the Native population.  Just as the majority (to perhaps most) of the Jєωs in the cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs died of "natural" (disease, starvation, etc.) causes, so too did tens of millions of Native Americans perish at the hands of Europeans.  While I agree, absolutely and unequivocally, with the Christianization of native American peoples and the end to their grotesque barbarism (the Aztecs came close in some instances to the nαzι death camps, both in numbers and in peak deaths per hour), the policies which the Protestant United States of America (namely, the "doctrine" of Manifest Destiny) inflicted upon the Native American peoples were utterly barbaric, even more inhumane, in some instances, than the sufferings which the nαzιs inflicted upon the Jєωs.
Title: JPII: Edith Stein Sisters Died in Gas Chambers
Post by: Telesphorus on April 02, 2011, 06:49:44 AM
Quote from: Jehanne
I hope that there are no h0Ɩ0cαųst deniers here on this board.  Bishop Williamson's comments several years ago have been "sand in the face" of the Traditional Catholic movement, a brush which our critics have tried to paint all of us with.  That the h0Ɩ0cαųst occurred and that 12 million people perished in it is beyond dispute.  


Jehanne, I don't claim to know what happened, but I think there is ample reason to doubt that this claim of the six million and of the gas chambers in particular should be subject to scrutiny and doubt.

To those unaware of the role of Jєωs and their overarching role in determining public discourse, it seem outrageous to suggest it.  It is best to be cautious, of course, because embracing a position diametrically opposed to the propagandist historians would lead to absurd errors, of course.  But we cannot allow ourselves to be bound by the rules they set for discourse - that leads to disastrous results.

Yes, you're right that many, many people have been murdered - but somehow the Jєωs have insisted that their sufferings are more important than the sufferings of other people - the reason for that - they don't openly say - but there's only one reason for that - they regard themselves as being far more valuable than other people.  And that is ultimately what the endless stream of h0Ɩ0cαųst propaganda is about - it's about their desire for special immunity - for untouchability - whenever an evil the Jєωs do corporately is pointed out  - they point to the six million and say: these critics want to murder us like the nαzιs!

I'm not endorsing this site, but the following article makes some very good points - if we allow the Jєωs to browbeat us on this issue - if we allow ourselves to tar and feather people who run afoul of them out of a misguided desire for human respect, then we are inevitably led down the path the conciliar church has taken:

http://www.codoh.com/viewpoints/vppgtheo.html
Title: JPII: Edith Stein Sisters Died in Gas Chambers
Post by: Telesphorus on April 02, 2011, 06:59:22 AM
correction:

Jehanne, I don't claim to know what happened, but I think there is ample reason to doubt this claim of the six million and the claims of the gas chambers in particular should be subject to scrutiny and doubt.
Title: JPII: Edith Stein Sisters Died in Gas Chambers
Post by: gladius_veritatis on April 02, 2011, 09:01:10 AM
How do h0Ɩ0cαųstolatrists explain the census numbers from before and after the war, which numbers utterly annihilate the "six million" nonsense?

There is NO evidence to support the "history" that the Judaics have been shoving down our throats for decades.  Yes, many people died, including some Judaics, but the story told today is nothing but a very large piece of petrified turd, used to beat non-Judaics into groveling submission.
Title: JPII: Edith Stein Sisters Died in Gas Chambers
Post by: parentsfortruth on April 02, 2011, 09:54:35 AM
I share the opinion of Bishop Williamson that there is NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE of the use of gas chambers in any of the cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs. They used that zyklon B gas, not on PEOPLE, but on LAUNDRY, because of LICE, and they've not found forensic evidence demonstrating a death from this gas, especially MASS deaths on account of this gas.

I don't buy it.
Title: JPII: Edith Stein Sisters Died in Gas Chambers
Post by: parentsfortruth on April 02, 2011, 10:09:14 AM
Also, German census records before the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" had the Jєωιѕн population at 500,000 (seems to be missing a ZERO in there, doesn't it?)

The 6 million figure is a LIE.

You know what IS true? 8,000,000 GYPSIES were LINED UP AND SHOT and weren't even sent to the cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs and NO ONE HEARS THAT. I get that from an EYE WITNESS.
Title: JPII: Edith Stein Sisters Died in Gas Chambers
Post by: stevusmagnus on April 02, 2011, 11:19:44 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_h0Ɩ0cαųst_denial#Jєωιѕн_population

Jєωιѕн population

One h0Ɩ0cαųst denial argument is the comparison of the population of Jєωs before and after the h0Ɩ0cαųst. They state that the 1940 World Almanac gives the world Jєωιѕн population as 15,319,359, while the 1948 World Almanac gives the world Jєωιѕн population as 15,713,638. They therefore claim that either the figures are wrong, or the h0Ɩ0cαųst, meaning the deaths of millions of Jєωs, cannot have happened to any extent similar to the claimed 6 million.[53]

The World Almanac volumes from 1945 to 1949[54][55][56][57] present two sets of figures for the world Jєωιѕн population, one attributed to the American Jєωιѕн Committee (AJC) and the other under the Almanac's own responsibility. The set from the AJC makes clear they use figures from 1938, "the last available data". Until 1949, the two sets of figures were very similar. But in 1949, the World Almanac gives the world Jєωιѕн population as 15,713,638,[58] while the AJC number in the same volume (but for 1947) was 11,266,600.[59] Moreover, the AJC revised its estimate of the world Jєωιѕн population in 1939 upward, to 16,643,120. Thus, according to the AJC in the 1949 World Almanac, the difference between the pre and post war populations is over 5.4 million. Subsequent years of the Almanac discontinued all reporting of populations for all religions worldwide, while continuing to carry the AJC's numbers regarding the world Jєωιѕн population.

Other sources confirm similar numbers—and earlier than the 1949 World Almanac—for the Jєωιѕн population before and after the war. The 1932 American Jєωιѕн Yearbook estimate the total number of Jєωs in the world at 15,192,218, of whom 9,418,248 resided in Europe. However, the 1947 yearbook states: "Estimates of the world Jєωιѕн population have been assembled by the American Jєωιѕн Joint Distribution Committee (except for the United States and Canada) and are probably the most authentic available at the present time. The figures reveal that the total Jєωιѕн population of the world has decreased by one-third from about 16,600,000 in 1939 to about 11,000,000 in 1946 as the result of the annihilation by the nαzιs of more than five and a half million European Jєωs. In Europe only an estimated 3,642,000 remain of the total Jєωιѕн pre-war population of approximately 9,740,000." These numbers are also consistent with the findings of the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, Appendix III, in 1946.
Title: JPII: Edith Stein Sisters Died in Gas Chambers
Post by: Telesphorus on April 02, 2011, 11:33:59 AM
I have looked through some textbooks from the late 40s and early 50s.  The "six million" and the "gas chambers" are missing from the narrative.

The New World Illustrated History does say Jєωs died in camps but doesn't talk about the numbers or means.

This one was edited by Harry Elmer Barnes, who was a revisionist (of WWI and WWII)

http://www.amothersjournal.com/2007/11/09/the-illustrated-world-history/

Mine, a later edition, which covered up to the early postwar period, did not have Harry Elmer Barnes as an editor.  What a joy it was to read that book as young boy.
Title: JPII: Edith Stein Sisters Died in Gas Chambers
Post by: Zenith on April 02, 2011, 08:59:43 PM
Quote from: stevusmagnus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_h0Ɩ0cαųst_denial#Jєωιѕн_population

Jєωιѕн population

One h0Ɩ0cαųst denial argument is the comparison of the population of Jєωs before and after the h0Ɩ0cαųst. They state that the 1940 World Almanac gives the world Jєωιѕн population as 15,319,359, while the 1948 World Almanac gives the world Jєωιѕн population as 15,713,638. They therefore claim that either the figures are wrong, or the h0Ɩ0cαųst, meaning the deaths of millions of Jєωs, cannot have happened to any extent similar to the claimed 6 million.[53]

The World Almanac volumes from 1945 to 1949[54][55][56][57] present two sets of figures for the world Jєωιѕн population, one attributed to the American Jєωιѕн Committee (AJC) and the other under the Almanac's own responsibility. The set from the AJC makes clear they use figures from 1938, "the last available data". Until 1949, the two sets of figures were very similar. But in 1949, the World Almanac gives the world Jєωιѕн population as 15,713,638,[58] while the AJC number in the same volume (but for 1947) was 11,266,600.[59] Moreover, the AJC revised its estimate of the world Jєωιѕн population in 1939 upward, to 16,643,120. Thus, according to the AJC in the 1949 World Almanac, the difference between the pre and post war populations is over 5.4 million. Subsequent years of the Almanac discontinued all reporting of populations for all religions worldwide, while continuing to carry the AJC's numbers regarding the world Jєωιѕн population.

Other sources confirm similar numbers—and earlier than the 1949 World Almanac—for the Jєωιѕн population before and after the war. The 1932 American Jєωιѕн Yearbook estimate the total number of Jєωs in the world at 15,192,218, of whom 9,418,248 resided in Europe. However, the 1947 yearbook states: "Estimates of the world Jєωιѕн population have been assembled by the American Jєωιѕн Joint Distribution Committee (except for the United States and Canada) and are probably the most authentic available at the present time. The figures reveal that the total Jєωιѕн population of the world has decreased by one-third from about 16,600,000 in 1939 to about 11,000,000 in 1946 as the result of the annihilation by the nαzιs of more than five and a half million European Jєωs. In Europe only an estimated 3,642,000 remain of the total Jєωιѕн pre-war population of approximately 9,740,000." These numbers are also consistent with the findings of the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, Appendix III, in 1946.


Do you seriously take this as evidence that the "holcaust" is true? First you quote JPII, the greatest humanist and apostate and then you quote wikipedia.
If I wanted to find misinformation on this issue I would not have to look far. Its a bit like asking Bill Gates which computer is better, Apple or Microsoft? He's not going to tell you to buy an Apple is he even if it could be proven beyond doubt that apple is the better computer.

The only "dogma" that modern Rome protects is the h0Ɩ0h0αx.
Title: JPII: Edith Stein Sisters Died in Gas Chambers
Post by: Darcy on April 09, 2011, 01:10:56 AM
It is best to listen to what the Jєωs have to say on the matter.

David Cole, a young Jєω, who has been driven into obscurity for his courage, speaks in detail about the horrors of Auschwitz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-xlIGBFTIU
Title: JPII: Edith Stein Sisters Died in Gas Chambers
Post by: Catholic Samurai on April 09, 2011, 02:51:13 PM
I cant believe Stevus is using a JohnPaulII quote as a historical citation.  :facepalm:


Now that I think about it, the sanctity of St.Edith Stein aside, from where, and how, were her relics obtained?
Title: JPII: Edith Stein Sisters Died in Gas Chambers
Post by: stevusmagnus on April 10, 2011, 01:24:09 PM
Quote from: Zenith
Do you seriously take this as evidence that the "holcaust" is true? First you quote JPII, the greatest humanist and apostate and then you quote wikipedia.
If I wanted to find misinformation on this issue I would not have to look far. Its a bit like asking Bill Gates which computer is better, Apple or Microsoft? He's not going to tell you to buy an Apple is he even if it could be proven beyond doubt that apple is the better computer.

The only "dogma" that modern Rome protects is the h0Ɩ0h0αx.


So what in that quote I provided do you dispute? It addresses the point about the population counts in Europe you and others keep bringing up.
Title: JPII: Edith Stein Sisters Died in Gas Chambers
Post by: stevusmagnus on April 10, 2011, 01:31:08 PM
Quote from: Darcy
It is best to listen to what the Jєωs have to say on the matter.

David Cole, a young Jєω, who has been driven into obscurity for his courage, speaks in detail about the horrors of Auschwitz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-xlIGBFTIU


http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/censgunpoint.html

"This statement is given in an attempt to set the record straight about my current views regarding the h0Ɩ0cαųst and h0Ɩ0cαųst denial. As anyone who follows the subject of the h0Ɩ0cαųst denial knows, from 1991 until 1994 I was well known in the movement as a Jєωιѕн h0Ɩ0cαųst denier (a self-described "revisionist"). For the last three years I have no longer been associated with this movement, having realized that I was wrong and that the path I was taking with my life was self-destructive and hurtful to others. I have spent the last few years in silence on the subject of my time with the denial movement, a silence caused mainly by my shame at what I had done with my life and my desire to distance myself from that life.

However, in that shame-induced silence it has been brought to my attention that I have not gone as far as I should have to make a clear and complete public statement in order to set the record straight as to where I stand.

It is my great hope that this statement accomplishes that task.

I would like to state for the record that there is no question in my mind that during the h0Ɩ0cαųst of Europe's Jєωs during World War Two, the nαzιs employed gas chambers in an attempt to commit genocide against the Jєωs. At camps in both Eastern and Western Europe, Jєωs were murdered in gas chambers which employed such poison gases as Zyklon B and carbon monoxide (in the Auschwitz camp, for example, the gas chambers used Zyklon B). The evidence for this is overwhelming and unmistakable.

The nαzιs intended to kill all of the Jєωs of Europe, and the final death toll of this attempted genocide was six million. This atrocity, unique in its scope and breadth, must never be forgotten.

During my four years as a denier, I was wracked with self-hate and loathing, a fact that many of my critics were quick to point out. Indeed, this self hatred was obvious to most, but I was too blind to see it. The hate I had for myself I took out on my people. I was seduced by pseudo-historical nonsense and clever-sounding but empty ideas and catch-phrases. When my eyes were finally opened, thanks to several good, kind friends who refused to give up on me even at my worst, I was horrified by what I had done. My instinct was to flee and never look back, but I now understand that I owe it to the people I wronged to make a forceful repudiation of my earlier views. I also owe a very large apology, not only to the many people I enraged, and to the family and friends I hurt, but especially to the survivors of the h0Ɩ0cαųst, who deserve only our respect and compassion, not re-victimization.

Therefore, to all of the above people, let me offer my most humble and very, very sincere apology. I am sorry for what did, and I am sorry for the hurt I caused.

And just as I must set the record straight concerning my views, it is also incuмbent on me to set the record straight regarding the video "docuмentaries" and media appearances I did from 1991 to 1994. These "docuмentaries" are merely videotaped garbage filled with self-hatred and pseudo-intellectual nonsense. My "media appearances" were nothing but an embarrassment. My glazed look, specious reasoning, and talking-in-circles during my talk show appearances would have hopefully alerted any astute viewers that this was a man not in touch with reality.

It has been brought to my attention that Bradley Smith is still using one of my videos in advertisements he is running on college campuses. Therefore, I would like to make these additional points: This video is being advertised without my consent, and I denounce this video as being without worth. Bradley Smith is no historian, and denial is no "historical field". Students on college campuses should look elsewhere to find out about the h0Ɩ0cαųst. To these students I would say, look to books like Hilberg's "Destruction of the European Jєωs", Yahil's "The h0Ɩ0cαųst", and Dawidowicz's "War Against the Jєωs" for correct information. If your school library doesn't stock these books, have them order copies. Do not pay any attention to any "David Cole" videos, except to rightly denounce them as frauds.

I am thankful for being given the opportunity to make this statement. This statement is made freely and under no duress, and is quite willingly, even happily, given to Mr. Irv Rubin of the Jєωιѕн Defense League for the widest possible distribution. This statement is the most current and accurate compilation of my views, and it supersedes an previous writings, videos, or statements. It is my hope that there will be no more confusion as to where I stand. I thank you for letting me set the record straight.

[Signed]

David Cole

[notarized] "

Title: JPII: Edith Stein Sisters Died in Gas Chambers
Post by: stevusmagnus on April 10, 2011, 01:59:27 PM
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/skeptic-magazine/skeptic-12.html


Quote
...And, of course, we do not just have survivor accounts. We also have the confessions of guards, like SS-Unterscharfuehrer Pery Broad, captured on May 6, 1945, by the British in their zone of occupation. Broad began work at Auschwitz in 1942 in the "Political Section," and stayed there until the liberation of the camp in January, 1945. During his capture he worked as an interpreter for the British and in the process wrote a memoir, which was passed on to the British Intelligence Service in July, 1945. That December he declared under oath that what he wrote was true. On September 29, 1947, the docuмent was translated into English and used at the Nuremberg Trials regarding the gas chambers as mechanisms of mass murder. Later that year he was released. In April, 1959, Broad was called to testify in a trial on the SS of Auschwitz, and he acknowledged the authorship of the memoir, confirmed its validity, and retracted nothing.

The reason for this lengthy background to Broad's memoir is that the revisionists dismiss all nαzι confessions as being coerced, or made up for bizarre psychological reasons. Broad was never tortured and he had absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose by confessing. When given the opportunity to recant, which he certainly could have in the later trial, he did not. Instead, he described in detail the gassing procedure, including the use of Zyklon-B, the early gassing experiments in Block 11 of Auschwitz, the temporary chambers set up in the two abandoned farms at Birkenau (Auschwitz II), which he correctly called by their jargon name of "Bunkers I and II." He also recalled the construction of Kremas I, II, III, and IV at Birkenau, accurately depicting (by comparison with blueprints) the design of the undressing room, gas chamber, and crematorium. And then he described the actual process of gassing in gruesome detail (Shapiro, 1990):


The disinfectors are at work . . . with an iron rod and hammer they open a couple of harmless looking tin boxes, the directions read Cyclon [sic] vermin destroyer, Warning, Poisonous. The boxes are filled with small pellets which look like blue peas. As soon as the box is opened the contents are shaken out through an aperture in the roof. Then another box is emptied in the next aperture, and so on. After about two minutes the shrieks die down and change to a low moaning. Most of the men have already lost consciousness. After a further two minutes . . . it is all over. Deadly quiet reigns. . . . The corpses are piled together, their mouths stretched open . . . . It is difficult to heave the interlaced corpses out of the chamber as the gas is stiffening all their limbs...
Title: JPII: Edith Stein Sisters Died in Gas Chambers
Post by: Zenith on April 11, 2011, 04:07:45 PM
Quote from: stevusmagnus
Quote from: Zenith
Do you seriously take this as evidence that the "holcaust" is true? First you quote JPII, the greatest humanist and apostate and then you quote wikipedia.
If I wanted to find misinformation on this issue I would not have to look far. Its a bit like asking Bill Gates which computer is better, Apple or Microsoft? He's not going to tell you to buy an Apple is he even if it could be proven beyond doubt that apple is the better computer.

The only "dogma" that modern Rome protects is the h0Ɩ0h0αx.


So what in that quote I provided do you dispute? It addresses the point about the population counts in Europe you and others keep bringing up.


I made my point and backed it up. You on the other hand have little if any discernment as to where you obtain your information.

Have you applied for a job at the ADL recently? I think you would make a great candidate. Perhaps you could use this forum discussion as your CV!

Everyone knows David Cole was forced into this confession. You would have to be blind or just dishonest to believe it.

If you watch to video you will see the evidence he put forward which incurred the wrath of the JDL. I think you would confess anything if someone was threatening yours and your family's life.
Title: JPII: Edith Stein Sisters Died in Gas Chambers
Post by: Catholic Samurai on April 11, 2011, 07:06:01 PM
Quote from: stevusmagnus
Quote from: Darcy
It is best to listen to what the Jєωs have to say on the matter.

David Cole, a young Jєω, who has been driven into obscurity for his courage, speaks in detail about the horrors of Auschwitz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-xlIGBFTIU


http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/censgunpoint.html

"This statement is given in an attempt to set the record straight about my current views regarding the h0Ɩ0cαųst and h0Ɩ0cαųst denial. As anyone who follows the subject of the h0Ɩ0cαųst denial knows, from 1991 until 1994 I was well known in the movement as a Jєωιѕн h0Ɩ0cαųst denier (a self-described "revisionist"). For the last three years I have no longer been associated with this movement, having realized that I was wrong and that the path I was taking with my life was self-destructive and hurtful to others. I have spent the last few years in silence on the subject of my time with the denial movement, a silence caused mainly by my shame at what I had done with my life and my desire to distance myself from that life.

However, in that shame-induced silence it has been brought to my attention that I have not gone as far as I should have to make a clear and complete public statement in order to set the record straight as to where I stand.

It is my great hope that this statement accomplishes that task.

I would like to state for the record that there is no question in my mind that during the h0Ɩ0cαųst of Europe's Jєωs during World War Two, the nαzιs employed gas chambers in an attempt to commit genocide against the Jєωs. At camps in both Eastern and Western Europe, Jєωs were murdered in gas chambers which employed such poison gases as Zyklon B and carbon monoxide (in the Auschwitz camp, for example, the gas chambers used Zyklon B). The evidence for this is overwhelming and unmistakable.

The nαzιs intended to kill all of the Jєωs of Europe, and the final death toll of this attempted genocide was six million. This atrocity, unique in its scope and breadth, must never be forgotten.

During my four years as a denier, I was wracked with self-hate and loathing, a fact that many of my critics were quick to point out. Indeed, this self hatred was obvious to most, but I was too blind to see it. The hate I had for myself I took out on my people. I was seduced by pseudo-historical nonsense and clever-sounding but empty ideas and catch-phrases. When my eyes were finally opened, thanks to several good, kind friends who refused to give up on me even at my worst, I was horrified by what I had done. My instinct was to flee and never look back, but I now understand that I owe it to the people I wronged to make a forceful repudiation of my earlier views. I also owe a very large apology, not only to the many people I enraged, and to the family and friends I hurt, but especially to the survivors of the h0Ɩ0cαųst, who deserve only our respect and compassion, not re-victimization.

Therefore, to all of the above people, let me offer my most humble and very, very sincere apology. I am sorry for what did, and I am sorry for the hurt I caused.

And just as I must set the record straight concerning my views, it is also incuмbent on me to set the record straight regarding the video "docuмentaries" and media appearances I did from 1991 to 1994. These "docuмentaries" are merely videotaped garbage filled with self-hatred and pseudo-intellectual nonsense. My "media appearances" were nothing but an embarrassment. My glazed look, specious reasoning, and talking-in-circles during my talk show appearances would have hopefully alerted any astute viewers that this was a man not in touch with reality.

It has been brought to my attention that Bradley Smith is still using one of my videos in advertisements he is running on college campuses. Therefore, I would like to make these additional points: This video is being advertised without my consent, and I denounce this video as being without worth. Bradley Smith is no historian, and denial is no "historical field". Students on college campuses should look elsewhere to find out about the h0Ɩ0cαųst. To these students I would say, look to books like Hilberg's "Destruction of the European Jєωs", Yahil's "The h0Ɩ0cαųst", and Dawidowicz's "War Against the Jєωs" for correct information. If your school library doesn't stock these books, have them order copies. Do not pay any attention to any "David Cole" videos, except to rightly denounce them as frauds.

I am thankful for being given the opportunity to make this statement. This statement is made freely and under no duress, and is quite willingly, even happily, given to Mr. Irv Rubin of the Jєωιѕн Defense League for the widest possible distribution. This statement is the most current and accurate compilation of my views, and it supersedes an previous writings, videos, or statements. It is my hope that there will be no more confusion as to where I stand. I thank you for letting me set the record straight.

[Signed]

David Cole

[notarized] "




Stevus, READ the letter you just posted. Does that sound like a REAL retraction? If I were to write a letter of retraction after doing something big like that I would give a logical explanation as to why I was wrong to do so, not go off on some emotional tangent criticizing (rather than debunking) my own work. I can tell you that if this letter were ligit (or at least made without pressure) it would be MUCH longer and MUCH more detailed.