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Offline Telesphorus

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« on: November 05, 2012, 01:18:33 PM »
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  • "Splitting 86%-11% in favor of legality, Jєωs are the most pro-choice of the 33 groups Pew breaks out; more so than those who have no religious affiliation, than liberal Democrats, and than those who seldom or never attend religious services."

    http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2012/05/Jєωs-and-abortion.html
    http://www.people-press.org/2012/04/25/mor...2008-or-2004/1/


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    « Reply #1 on: November 05, 2012, 01:38:13 PM »
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  • and New Jersey, there are several Jєωιѕн women running for congress using pro choice as women issues. and they are all connected to Goldman and Sacs too.  Even the Vatican II elected officials of NJ.    

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    « Reply #2 on: November 05, 2012, 01:45:30 PM »
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    All day long, over and over campaign adds supporting Jєωιѕн liberal woman who is for abortion and is even endorsed by philadelphia inquirer...
    I guess the liberals bought the newspaper..

    And most of the so called catholics in the area will vote for her too.  


    I don't even feel like voting..  isn't that sad.  

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    « Reply #3 on: November 05, 2012, 01:47:15 PM »
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  • We have to face the reality about those who claim to be pro-life but who are really not concerned about the issue.

    Consider the Cardinal clowning around with Obama.

    Would we expect one of the Apostles to clown around with Nero?

    The Novus Ordo and the ʝʊdɛօ-trads don't care about abortion, or anything, but being subject to the Jєωs.

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    « Reply #4 on: November 05, 2012, 01:51:26 PM »
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  • these people are anti-Catholic...
    May God bless you and keep you


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    « Reply #5 on: November 05, 2012, 02:02:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    We have to face the reality about those who claim to be pro-life but who are really not concerned about the issue.

    Consider the Cardinal clowning around with Obama.

    Would we expect one of the Apostles to clown around with Nero?

    The Novus Ordo and the ʝʊdɛօ-trads don't care about abortion, or anything, but being subject to the Jєωs.



    You are so right, Telesphorus.

    What kind of Catholic cardinal or bishop would go along with a religious ban against God during the 10 year anniversary of september 11, 2001 ????

    Oh yes,  the bishop of the new jersey diocese spent $20,000 to learn that many within his diocese didn't know the  catholic faith and believe that Jesus sinned while one earth.  And yet there is Catholic-Jєωιѕн institute and interfaith  Catholic-judaism groups within the diocese.
    They even speak hebrew during novus ordo masses at the diocese.  Imagine Catholic year book  titled "shalom".  

    the manger is the symbol of Christmas not Christmas tree.  
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    « Reply #6 on: November 05, 2012, 02:12:28 PM »
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  • The Jєωιѕн Roots, and the Catholic Failure, on Abortion
    http://catholicintl.com/index.php/latest-news/573-the-Jєωιѕн-roots-and-the-catholic-failure-on-abortion

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    « Reply #7 on: November 05, 2012, 03:55:59 PM »
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  • The article you posted ends with a conclusion that the Pro Life Movement plays into the hands of those who promote abortion.

    Having read this I must admit that I agree with that conclusion.

    We must act for a turn around to a more direct fight against this mass killing of babies who never see the light of day, the face of their mother or the sacrament of baptism.

    What might that be?

    "A person is an individual substance of a rational nature."
    "Truth does not depend on our knowledge of it; but on the existence of things."
    De Veritate: Ques. X Art. III
    Thomas Aquinas


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    « Reply #8 on: November 06, 2012, 12:29:25 PM »
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  • Abortion is the battle field, one of many, where Jєωs and Catholics are diametrically opposed.  We are fighting against abortion, they are fighting for abortion.

    A side note:  Jєωs have complete contempt for gentile life and often repeat pithy statements like "A thousand gentile lives is not worth one Jєωιѕн fingernail."

    Another side note:  Orthodox Jєωs are pro-choice.  They believe the passage in the Torah where two men are wrestling in the desert, if one man throws another man onto a pregnant woman and the pregnant woman loses the child then it is not considered murder so, from this, the orthodox Jєωs believe that abortion should be permitted.  

    It all is traced back to the writings of the тαℓмυd and the torah scholars from centuries ago but it is strictly sourced in Jєωιѕн contempt for non-Jєωs.  They see nothing wrong whatsoever in sticking a fork in a gentile baby's head.  I'm not exxaggerating.

    So, let's stop calling Jєωs our "elder brothers" because they did not play a positive role in Christ's redeeming the world and, if you want an example, the Jєωs "motherhood" role in Christianity would be akin to Andrea Yates but only in our history, the baby survived.  Andrea Yates is the Houston, TX mother who drowned her five children.

    The Jєωιѕн view of gentile human life is just as tools in a toolbox.  Deny this if you want to play pretend, but such is the truth.

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    « Reply #9 on: November 06, 2012, 01:37:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    Abortion is the battle field, one of many, where Jєωs and Catholics are diametrically opposed.  We are fighting against abortion, they are fighting for abortion.

    A side note:  Jєωs have complete contempt for gentile life and often repeat pithy statements like "A thousand gentile lives is not worth one Jєωιѕн fingernail."

    Another side note:  Orthodox Jєωs are pro-choice.  They believe the passage in the Torah where two men are wrestling in the desert, if one man throws another man onto a pregnant woman and the pregnant woman loses the child then it is not considered murder so, from this, the orthodox Jєωs believe that abortion should be permitted.  

    It all is traced back to the writings of the тαℓмυd and the torah scholars from centuries ago but it is strictly sourced in Jєωιѕн contempt for non-Jєωs.  They see nothing wrong whatsoever in sticking a fork in a gentile baby's head.  I'm not exxaggerating.

    So, let's stop calling Jєωs our "elder brothers" because they did not play a positive role in Christ's redeeming the world and, if you want an example, the Jєωs "motherhood" role in Christianity would be akin to Andrea Yates but only in our history, the baby survived.  Andrea Yates is the Houston, TX mother who drowned her five children.

    The Jєωιѕн view of gentile human life is just as tools in a toolbox.  Deny this if you want to play pretend, but such is the truth.


    Well then, what do you propose?
    It seems you are proposing that to end the mass murder of babies by abortion we need to iliminate Jєωs completely or at least Jєωs in government?
    Is that right? Is that what you meant?
    Or did you mean to point out what the problem is and leave it there for more discussion?
    "A person is an individual substance of a rational nature."
    "Truth does not depend on our knowledge of it; but on the existence of things."
    De Veritate: Ques. X Art. III
    Thomas Aquinas

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    « Reply #10 on: November 06, 2012, 01:57:56 PM »
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  • Our society should be ruled by Christians.


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    « Reply #11 on: November 06, 2012, 02:13:48 PM »
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  • Yes, or a Royal family who is Catholic.

    But in answer to my question, how should we proceed to not only resist the current dilemma,
    but set out plans and implement them to bring about the changes necessary?

    Do you want to expose the plots and try to sway opinions? I doubt the efficacy of that tactic for reasons, many reasons which are a waste of time to relate, but one is that people are not awake to the problems you outlined and I'm at a loss to see anything that would wake them up, these things are reported, statistics etc. and no one seems to be listening.

    It seems to me thqt Jєωs decided after WW II to get the best of everybody else on the planet.

    Perhaps we should have the same strength and tenacity or we may jolly well loose what we have of culture and Catholicism.

    What ideas do you have for a way to turn the tides and rid the world of abortion and destroy New Church's destruction of faith among surviving Catholics?

    There are a lot of conflicts here, can you address those?
    "A person is an individual substance of a rational nature."
    "Truth does not depend on our knowledge of it; but on the existence of things."
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    « Reply #12 on: November 06, 2012, 03:08:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: GemmaGal
    Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    Abortion is the battle field, one of many, where Jєωs and Catholics are diametrically opposed.  We are fighting against abortion, they are fighting for abortion.

    A side note:  Jєωs have complete contempt for gentile life and often repeat pithy statements like "A thousand gentile lives is not worth one Jєωιѕн fingernail."

    Another side note:  Orthodox Jєωs are pro-choice.  They believe the passage in the Torah where two men are wrestling in the desert, if one man throws another man onto a pregnant woman and the pregnant woman loses the child then it is not considered murder so, from this, the orthodox Jєωs believe that abortion should be permitted.  

    It all is traced back to the writings of the тαℓмυd and the torah scholars from centuries ago but it is strictly sourced in Jєωιѕн contempt for non-Jєωs.  They see nothing wrong whatsoever in sticking a fork in a gentile baby's head.  I'm not exxaggerating.

    So, let's stop calling Jєωs our "elder brothers" because they did not play a positive role in Christ's redeeming the world and, if you want an example, the Jєωs "motherhood" role in Christianity would be akin to Andrea Yates but only in our history, the baby survived.  Andrea Yates is the Houston, TX mother who drowned her five children.

    The Jєωιѕн view of gentile human life is just as tools in a toolbox.  Deny this if you want to play pretend, but such is the truth.


    Well then, what do you propose?
    It seems you are proposing that to end the mass murder of babies by abortion we need to iliminate Jєωs completely or at least Jєωs in government?
    Is that right? Is that what you meant?
    Or did you mean to point out what the problem is and leave it there for more discussion?


    We can start by not fooling ourselves.  We must realize that the Jєωs are our eternal enemies.  They are not our friends.  The solution to this is to remain apart from them.  Keeping your distance was also Hilaire Belloc's point in the book "The Jєωs".  It's a good read.

    Since Jєωs have contempt for non-Jєωιѕн life, and since they believe that gentiles only possess the portion of soul that animals also possess (please see Rabbi Moshe Chaim Lozzato's "Derech HaShem" for proof on this belief - RAMCHAL believes that there are five levels to the soul and animals and gentiles only posses the bottom three - hence gentiles are spiritually and morally and materially equal only with animals - it's all there, folks.) we should have no contact with them.  The great kings and queens of the past did not expel Jєωs out of bigotry or ignorance but out of circuмspection and wisdom.  

    Let's also remember that the Jєωs are one 2% of the U.S. population so it's not like they have a lock - I know they dominate in the media but the voting numbers are in the hands of the rest of the population.  

    Accepting abortion is a vulgar materialistic and animalistic viewpoint but if a large chunk of humanity is willing to annihilate it, what can we do?

    We can pray for a Catholic monarchy in our lifetime.

    We can pray for a Catholic republic in our lifetime.

    We could even pray for an isolated Catholic state or city in our lifetime.

     :pray:---->For those lost women who view abortion as an alternative, may Our Lord and Savior enlighten their hearts, minds and souls!


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    « Reply #13 on: November 06, 2012, 03:19:14 PM »
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  • Abortion is the тαℓмυdic Jєω's dream:

    "Kill the goyim and get paid for it too!"


    May the perfidious Jєωs go on to pay their dues... for eternity.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #14 on: November 06, 2012, 03:34:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: Incredulous
    Abortion is the тαℓмυdic Jєω's dream:

    "Kill the goyim and get paid for it too!"


    May the perfidious Jєωs go on to pay their dues... for eternity.


    You nailed that!



    ABORTION: WHO IS HUMAN? WHO IS NOT?

    Judaism excuses abortion through the "rodef" pilpul, that the baby is a rodef, a pursuer, an aggressor, whose life the mother may take. (among many, see "Jєωιѕн Law Favors Stem Cell Research," Jєωιѕн Journal of Greater Los Angeles, July 30, 2004) Judaism teaches that the baby is not "nefesh," a person, until it is born, specifically not until the baby's head emerges—a pilpul allowing the rabbis to nullify the commandment against murder even allowing the brains to be sucked from a full-term infant while the head is still in the birth canal.

    "Rashi, the venerated twelfth century Judaic interpreter of the Bible and тαℓмυd, says of the fetus" 'lav nefesh hu - it is not a person." Rabbi Meir Abulafia decreed, 'So long as the fetus is inside the womb, it is not a nefesh and the Torah has no pity on it." The noted Judaic legal scholar Rabbi Isaac Schorr stated: 'The sense of the тαℓмυd is that a fetus is not a person' (Responsa Koah Schorr, no. 20 ["responsa" are authoritative in Judaism and supersede the plain text of the "Hebrew Bible."]). The тαℓмυd contains the expression 'ubar yerech imo' -the fetus is the thigh of its mother, i.e., the fetus is deemed to be part of the pregnant woman's body. The Greek philosopher Aristotle regarded the unborn child in its first seven days as a 'secretion' (ekrysis). In rabbinic law the status of 'secretion' lasts for the first forty days of gestation. In Judaism the woman is not regarded as pregnant until the baby in her womb is more than forty days old.

    "Contrary to these traditions of Judaism, God did not say in the bible that He recognized the unborn baby only after forty days. He said He recognized it as a being before the child had even formed in the womb (Jeremiah 1:5) As usual, the rabbis go God one better and establish a term of forty days before recognition can be conferred, and that rabbinic recognition is only of the pregnancy itself, not of the humanity of the child.

    "The matter does not rest at the forty day limit, however. In the familiar pattern of rabbinic modification, supplementation, and emendation, enough of these are generated to allow abortion at any time during the pregnancy for almost any reason, however fanciful or arbitrary. For example, if it is decided that an aborted baby does not look like a baby after it has been aborted, then it is not considered to have been an aborted child. [Tosefta Niddah 4:5-6]

    "Since the 1973 Supreme Court decision, Roe v. Wade, the standard American abortion procedure is considerably тαℓмυdic in nature, since the тαℓмυd specifically states that if the unborn baby is adduced to be a rodef the rabbis authorize that it can be chopped up at any time: 'They chop up the child in her womb.' [Mishnah Ohalot 7:6]" - Michael Hoffman, Judaism Discovered, ISBN 9780970378453, pp. 878-879.

    Abortion is from the Jєωs
    By David Wemhoff
    Culture Wars, September & October 2009
    http://www.catholicintl.com/index.php/latest-news/573-the-Jєωιѕн-roots-and-the-catholic-failure-on-abortion

    September 10, 1998 Over 700 rabbis support abortion, specifically “partial birth abortion,” as American as apple pie:
    The debate surrounding reproductive choice speaks to one of the basic foundations upon which our country was established — the freedom of religion. It speaks to the right of individuals to be respected as moral decision makers, making choices based on their religious beliefs and traditions as well their consciences. ...
Abortion is a deeply personal issue. Women are capable of making moral decisions, often in consultation with their clergy, families and physicians, on whether or not to have an abortion. We believe that religious matters are best left to religious communities, not politicians.
    http://rac.org/articles/index.cfm?id=933&pge_prg_id=4368