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Israel claims to be surprised by Palestine uprising
« Reply #90 on: May 23, 2011, 05:48:30 AM »
If the taking over of Palestine by zionists means that Old Testament prophesies are coming true, how does this tie in with the fact that almost every great Saint and doctor of the Church taught the the antichrist would be a Jew and that he would pass himself off as their messiah?

Considering this, does it not make sense then that this prophesy will take place in a place where the majority of the Jews are located, i.e. Israel?

Here the Jews await their messiah, the antichrist.

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Israel claims to be surprised by Palestine uprising
« Reply #91 on: May 23, 2011, 06:28:37 AM »
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Wow, how did I miss this thread for so long?


Yes well this thread is now 10 pages long and I was wondering when you'd pick up on it and pop in for a chat!  :popcorn:


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Israel claims to be surprised by Palestine uprising
« Reply #92 on: May 23, 2011, 08:14:00 AM »
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On the positive vs. permissive will concept, I used to agree with Eamon, but I have started wondering.


It is not about what I do or do not say (something you realize).  It is about what God and His Church teach.  Read Heliotropium to better understand this deep matter.  The concept of positive will and permissive will is not mine, but is a distinction made by theologians.  What can be said for certain: He cannot positively will sin; He only permits it.

Israel claims to be surprised by Palestine uprising
« Reply #93 on: May 23, 2011, 05:55:34 PM »
"World War II was a Zionist plot to make way for the foundation of the Jєωιѕн State in Palestine." (Joseph Burg, an anti-Zionist Jew).

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« Reply #94 on: May 25, 2011, 05:55:13 PM »
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No one is denying that God will forgive the Jews if they repent! Where did we ever discount such a thing?


When we know because of so many prophesies that the will convert. This is not a matter of if but a matter of when, so to speak.

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If you pay attention and read the complete books you will see in many chapters God extends to them hope alongside the threats of punishment, and God clearly promises to bless the Jews IF they repent.


Yes, but there is a difference between the Jews and the rest of the nation as is beautifully said by II Mac chap. VI

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12 Now I beseech those that shall read this book, that they be not shocked at these calamities, but that they consider the things that happened, not as being for the destruction, but for the correction of our nation. 13 For it is a token of great goodness, when sinners are not suffered to go on in their ways for a long time, but are presently punished. 14 For, not as with other nations, (whom the Lord patiently expects, that when the day of judgment shall come, he may punish them in the fullness of their sins): 15 Does he also deal with us, so as to suffer our sins to come to their height, and then take vengeance on us. 16 And therefore he never withdraws his mercy from us: but though he chastise his people with adversity he forsakes them not. 17 But let this suffice in a few words for a warning to the readers. And now we must come to the narration.


This is too beautiful and needs no further comments.


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God will bless, in one way or another, anyone, regardless of how wicked they were in the past, if they convert. We have yet to see that, and the saints say that that isn't going to happen until the end of the world, which is very far off right now.


You mean even with material blessings? I never read such a thing. Actually the words Our Lady said to St. Bernardette is our "blessing" in this life: " I can't promise to make you happy in this life, only in the next."

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But until then, God is not going to bless a Luciferian oriented people who reject and blaspheme Him to His face and walk down the path of naturalism/satanism and who persecute his Church. This doesn't mean He is not going to give them grace of conversion. It means that they will not taste the fruits of fidelity if they continue in their wickedness, which needless to say is not exclusive and is the rule for all of us. It's as simple as that. But among those blessings received through conversion include the temporal blessings, among which include the land they once inhabited. God states that if you are faithful, it's yours, but if not, your out of here!


Well first of all the fact that Jews have survive even to this very day is a sign God has kept them for some reason. No other people would have endure 1% of everything they suffered after 70 a.D.

Second, why cannot be the will of God that Jews be gathered again before their conversion? And if that is the will of God, then the next question arises: could that will be positive or has to be necessarily permissive?

Another question it came up after I wrote the last time: did the Jews lose their promises when they killed their God or those promises where merely suspended?

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Trust me, if I did something very serious that deserves expulsion I certainly wouldn't be living in my parents house, let alone be expecting to inherit it from them!


Analogy fails.  

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If anything, the prosperity that Jews today experience, the possession of Palestine included, is a punishment from God in progress


If you read, for instance Ez 37 you will call that anything but a punishment :)

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because their oppression of the poor has roused people throughout the world to hate them, and are now organizing against them, both in the West and the East. Really, God is letting them have what they want right now as a means of allowing them dig their own graves. Again, He does this with all of us when we reject Him.


Interestingly enough according to Psalm 82 (83) and similar and also the war of Gog and Magog (Ez. 38 and 39) speak both of a confederacy of states attacking Israel and the conversion of the Jews as a result of this.

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21 And I will set my glory among the nations: and all nations shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them. 22 And the house of Israel shall know that I am the Lord their God from that day and forward. 23 And the nations shall know that the house of Israel were made captives for their iniquity, because they forsook me, and I hid my face from them: and I delivered them into the hands of their enemies, and they fell all by the sword. 24 I have dealt with them according to their uncleanness, and wickedness, and hid my face from them.