Author Topic: Is There A Place for "White Pride"? (Read 20454 times)

clare · « **Reply #30 on:** May 21, 2011, 03:55:43 PM »

Attractiveness.

I'm sure it is not unheard of for people to find someone else not remotely attractive at first, but after getting to know them, gradually getting to like them, and then love them. So, is the idea that a man who would normally only find women of the same race attractive, could end up with a woman of a different race, so strange?

We marry individuals, not races.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #31 on:** May 21, 2011, 03:58:19 PM »

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Attractiveness.

I'm sure it is not unheard of for people to find someone else not remotely attractive at first, but after getting to know them, gradually getting to like them, and then love them. So, is the idea that a man who would normally only find women of the same race attractive, could end up with a woman of a different race, so strange?

No, there's nothing strange about it. And it's more a matter of the degree of attraction rather than a question of being attractive or non-attractive.

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We marry individuals, not races.

Yes in the individual case there might be good reasons to marry someone of another race, but it would be a bad thing indeed, as far as the natural order goes, for the white race to be hybridized out of existence.

Jitpring · « **Reply #32 on:** May 21, 2011, 04:05:19 PM »

I like your words, Sigismund.

In my view, it seems perfectly natural for us to be attracted mainly to those most like us. But we're called to supernaturalize our lives, thus supernatural considerations must be paramount. Speaking of which:

http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20080907-Supernatural-Charity-Loving-Our-Neighbor-As-Ourself.html

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http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20030810-Sanctifying-Grace-Supernatural-Grace.html

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http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20090726-Naturalism-Versus-Supernaturalism.html

The racist, in spite of any mystical pretensions, lives only on the natural level. A true Christian, therefore, can't be a racist. (Note that I'm not saying that one who is predominantly attracted to his own race is therefore necessarily a racist. Other factors have to be taken into account in determining this.)

clare · « **Reply #33 on:** May 21, 2011, 05:01:27 PM »

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...but it would be a bad thing indeed, as far as the natural order goes, for the white race to be hybridized out of existence.

Why? What would happen?

Would people not have souls? Would they be unable to cope?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #34 on:** May 21, 2011, 05:19:01 PM »

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Why? What would happen?

Well you might live long enough to find out the direction things are going, considering the situation in the UK. People who are pretend there are not differences in the races and how they behave are really too simple-minded or biased to have a genuine conversation with.

A great example, for those who are really open-minded enough to consider the consequences of racial mixing, is to think of a racially mixed Japan.

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Would people not have souls? Would they be unable to cope?

They will have souls no matter what happens, no matter how bad, won't they?

Sigismund · « **Reply #35 on:** May 21, 2011, 05:44:52 PM »

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Quote from: clare
Why? What would happen?

Well you might live long enough to find out the direction things are going, considering the situation in the UK. People who are pretend there are not differences in the races and how they behave are really too simple-minded or biased to have a genuine conversation with.

A great example, for those who are really open-minded enough to consider the consequences of racial mixing, is to think of a racially mixed Japan.

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Would people not have souls? Would they be unable to cope?

They will have souls no matter what happens, no matter how bad, won't they?

Well, we have some common ground. I think it is pretty difficult to have a genuine conversation with people who believe there are inherent differences between races. While I am certainly not suggesting that the disappearance of the white race (to the extent that such a thing exists) or any race would be a good thing, I don't see how it would be a bad thing for race to cease t o matter to the point that the concept disappeared from both our consciousness and our genetic make up.

Telesphorus, you noted above that you believe that my preference for is learned. I am sure that it is, and that is exactly my point. Experience and social conditioning influence greatly and perhaps completely determine what we are attracted to. I see no reason at all to believe that it is ever inborn.

Sigismund · « **Reply #36 on:** May 21, 2011, 05:46:29 PM »

Quote from: Jitpring

I like your words, Sigismund.

In my view, it seems perfectly natural for us to be attracted mainly to those most like us. But we're called to supernaturalize our lives, thus supernatural considerations must be paramount. Speaking of which:

http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20080907-Supernatural-Charity-Loving-Our-Neighbor-As-Ourself.html

&

http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20030810-Sanctifying-Grace-Supernatural-Grace.html

&

http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20090726-Naturalism-Versus-Supernaturalism.html

The racist, in spite of any mystical pretensions, lives only on the natural level. A true Christian, therefore, can't be a racist. (Note that I'm not saying that one who is predominantly attracted to his own race is therefore necessarily a racist. Other factors have to be taken into account in determining this.)

I am about to spend some quality time with some of my grandchildren, so I don't have time to listen to the sermons now. I will later. Thanks.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #37 on:** May 21, 2011, 05:57:11 PM »

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Well, we have some common ground. I think it is pretty difficult to have a genuine conversation with people who believe there are inherent differences between races.

And why is that? Why is it so hard to admit that such differences exist? Or that they even could exist?

I don't think anyone denies differences between families. People of certain families tend to have certain tendencies. The fact of the matter is that the ancestry of the different races, though common at the root, follows very different branches of the family trees and consequently the different races are naturally different in ways that go beyond pigmentation, skull shape, and other physiological differences. The races differ in many ways - there is no conceivable reason to imagine they wouldn't. And there is no conceivable justification for calling it evil when people observe those differences. There might be biased observations with bad motives behind them - but we know today that anyone who makes observations of the differences that are certainly real will be called a racist. And that is dishonest pharisaism. To try to mark as evil or wrong-headed those who point out natural differences is immoral.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #38 on:** May 21, 2011, 07:53:59 PM »

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While I am certainly not suggesting that the disappearance of the white race (to the extent that such a thing exists) or any race would be a good thing, I don't see how it would be a bad thing for race to cease t o matter to the point that the concept disappeared from both our consciousness and our genetic make up.

I do, and I'm mixed (half and half). I would like for my children to be able to recognize the Visigoths, the Reconquistadors, the Conquistadors, the Carlists, and the Cristeros as part of their heritage, so that they will receive the inspiration of their ancestors (the kind only ancestors can give) to follow in their footsteps in Golgotha. Being partially Mexican Indian, tradition in general is important, but when you introduce the influence of different cultures it becomes difficult to honor because the traditions of both, more often than not, conflict. For example, it would be somewhat difficult to try and have my kids take after my Spanish ancestors when I've married into a Mongolian family. Mongols who are culturally aware are very proud of their heritage, and as cool as I think it is, I have a problem with my kids having a "connection" with Genghis Khan and Tamerlane the same way I "connect" with the Colonial Spaniards.

Also, when looking on the relics of the past such as the Missions of San Antonio, while others look on them with admiration and wonder, I look on them with pride. It's one thing to admire the beauty of your brother's house, but it is nothing like your own inheritance as it is God's "portion" for you.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #39 on:** May 21, 2011, 08:09:37 PM »

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/Black-women-less-attractive-LSE-study-stirs-row/articleshow/8478666.cms

FWIW, when it comes to Black+White relationships (not necessarily marriages btw), the number of Black men w/ White women dwarfs the number of White men w/ Black women. The reason is indeed obvious.

But something I find strange is that in my experience these pairings are often the result of a group match-making rather than a random encounter. For some reason some people just HAVE to play match-maker, and for those who's only concern is to get two other people together without any regard for their compatibility in the areas of religion, lifestyle, culture etc. it's nice to do something to advance the cause of diversity.

Sigismund · « **Reply #40 on:** May 21, 2011, 10:34:24 PM »

Telesphorus,

It occurs to me that perhaps we are disagreeing over nothing. Could you give me an idea of what differences you see between races?

roscoe · « **Reply #41 on:** May 22, 2011, 01:05:19 AM »

Which race predominates in the NBA? :smoke-pot:

clare · « **Reply #42 on:** May 22, 2011, 03:46:35 AM »

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Why? What would happen?

Well you might live long enough to find out the direction things are going, considering the situation in the UK. People who are pretend there are not differences in the races and how they behave are really too simple-minded or biased to have a genuine conversation with.

I'm not saying there are no differences.

I am just at a loss to know why a world full of mixed race people would be a disaster. What would happen?

I'm not saying I want it to happen. I just don't mind either way.

People are people, and will make a hash of things whether they're racially pure or hybrid!

clare · « **Reply #43 on:** May 22, 2011, 03:54:42 AM »

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I don't think anyone denies differences between families. People of certain families tend to have certain tendencies.

Quite. And yet everyone has to choose someone from a different family as a spouse.

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The fact of the matter is that the ancestry of the different races, though common at the root, follows very different branches of the family trees and consequently the different races are naturally different in ways that go beyond pigmentation, skull shape, and other physiological differences. The races differ in many ways - there is no conceivable reason to imagine they wouldn't. And there is no conceivable justification for calling it evil when people observe those differences. There might be biased observations with bad motives behind them - but we know today that anyone who makes observations of the differences that are certainly real will be called a racist. And that is dishonest pharisaism. To try to mark as evil or wrong-headed those who point out natural differences is immoral.

I don't deny that. I just don't see why it is necessary for everyone to choose someone who is like them in as many ways as possible, for marriage. Religion is what matters.

Or why our great-great-etc-grandchildren's generation will be doomed if a good number of them are not white enough. Or any other colour enough.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #44 on:** May 22, 2011, 07:25:51 AM »

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Quite. And yet everyone has to choose someone from a different family as a spouse.

The example of families shows there is no reason for there not to be differences among races. There's nothing incestuous about marrying within your own race, so I fail to see what the point of your remark is.

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I don't deny that. I just don't see why it is necessary for everyone to choose someone who is like them in as many ways as possible, for marriage.

"In as many ways as possible" - we're talking about race, not about being like someone in "as many ways as possible"

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Religion is what matters.

It's not the only thing that matters in the context of such decisions.

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Or why our great-great-etc-grandchildren's generation will be doomed if a good number of them are not white enough. Or any other colour enough.

They will have lost their heritage. I guess if you're an internationalist and don't care about the downfall of nations and peoples and the future of civilization it's no big deal. Looking at how far down the UK has gone down that path, it doesn't surprise me that people are acclimated to the thought of the destruction of their national character and way of life.