Author Topic: Is There A Place for "White Pride"? (Read 20455 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #15 on:** May 21, 2011, 11:04:44 AM »

Make no mistake, the socialist left hates white men:

Sigismund · « **Reply #16 on:** May 21, 2011, 01:05:34 PM »

Telesphorus,

You may find it hard to believe that I don't find white women, as a group, more attractive than other women as a group, but it is true nonetheless. In fact, if anything I tend to find Asian women especially beautiful.

I am not offended by the suggestion that some white men will find white women more attractive than others. I am offended (to the extent that I am offended, which is not very much) by the suggestion that they SHOULD. It is one thing for people to say that certain characteristics are less attractive to them. That is a matter of personal taste, and in matters of taste there is no dispute. I am reacting to what seems to be your suggestion that some racial characteristics are inherently more attractive than others, and that white people are inherently more attractive simply because they are white. If I have misunderstood you I apologize.

Sigismund · « **Reply #17 on:** May 21, 2011, 01:08:18 PM »

Telesphorus,

I clicked "Dislike" on you post above by mistake. I am not sure how I managed that. I tried to click "Like' to counterbalance it, but it appears that one you click one you can't click the other. My apologies.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #18 on:** May 21, 2011, 01:15:06 PM »

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Telesphorus,

You may find it hard to believe that I don't find white women, as a group, more attractive than other women as a group, but it is true nonetheless. In fact, if anything I tend to find Asian women especially beautiful.

I think if you carefully examine your feelings and views on this that you will recognize that your preference is not based on your memories and experiences and not on your nature.

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I am not offended by the suggestion that some white men will find white women more attractive than others. I am offended (to the extent that I am offended, which is not very much) by the suggestion that they SHOULD.

Why does it offend you that people believe that?

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It is one thing for people to say that certain characteristics are less attractive to them. That is a matter of personal taste, and in matters of taste there is no dispute.

Except that's not really true. Often it is a matter of dispute. In such matters sometimes logic and reason are of less help than clearness of perceptions.

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I am reacting to what seems to be your suggestion that some racial characteristics are inherently more attractive than others,

Can you give a reason why they wouldn't be more attractive? Why should they necessarily be equal?

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and that white people are inherently more attractive simply because they are white.

If they are more attractive in general (and there are many many people who think so, of all races) then it is not simply "because they are white" - there are reasons for it.

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If I have misunderstood you I apologize.

In the natural order the way people pair off is important. I do think it's natural for whites to be attracted first and foremost to whites. Also, I do not think there's anything wrong with saying that different races have different attributes, or that those attributes can be compared. There is something wrong with saying that one must never admit the existence of inequalities regardless of the evidence, because there's no a priori reason to believe that there are no such inequalities.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #19 on:** May 21, 2011, 01:16:13 PM »

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Telesphorus,

I clicked "Dislike" on you post above by mistake. I am not sure how I managed that. I tried to click "Like' to counterbalance it, but it appears that one you click one you can't click the other. My apologies.

Don't worry about it - out of over 300 dislikes, it hardly adds much to the general atmosphere of disapproval

Telesphorus · « **Reply #20 on:** May 21, 2011, 01:21:32 PM »

An obtuse (and rather obnoxious) east asian got into some trouble for talking about this stuff:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/Black-women-less-attractive-LSE-study-stirs-row/articleshow/8478666.cms

Of course he gets into trouble for something like this, not about any of the other things he's said.

Jitpring · « **Reply #21 on:** May 21, 2011, 02:23:23 PM »

As Western identity continues to erode, the primary calculus will increasingly be what it perhaps always should have been: "Is he/she Catholic?"

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #22 on:** May 21, 2011, 02:28:56 PM »

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An obtuse (and rather obnoxious) east asian got into some trouble for talking about this stuff:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/Black-women-less-attractive-LSE-study-stirs-row/articleshow/8478666.cms

Of course he gets into trouble for something like this, not about any of the other things he's said.

Am I missing something here? I dont see what he said that was wrong. Almost everything he said is true.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #23 on:** May 21, 2011, 02:56:13 PM »

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An obtuse (and rather obnoxious) east asian got into some trouble for talking about this stuff:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/Black-women-less-attractive-LSE-study-stirs-row/articleshow/8478666.cms

Of course he gets into trouble for something like this, not about any of the other things he's said.

Am I missing something here? I dont see what he said that was wrong. Almost everything he said is true.

I'm referring to some of his other writings.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #24 on:** May 21, 2011, 02:56:55 PM »

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As Western identity continues to erode, the primary calculus will increasingly be what it perhaps always should have been: "Is he/she Catholic?"

Unfortunately, I don't believe that's the case with most trads.

Jitpring · « **Reply #25 on:** May 21, 2011, 03:19:23 PM »

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As Western identity continues to erode, the primary calculus will increasingly be what it perhaps always should have been: "Is he/she Catholic?"

Unfortunately, I don't believe that's the case with most trads.

You appear to speak the truth. But I've come to care very little about what most "trads," and others, think. My ambition is to care only about what God thinks, and I all too often detect a chasm between what God thinks and what most others think, including "trads." The truth is that many "trads" rank among the iciest, and hence most repulsive people I've ever encountered. They almost make the cheap sentimentality of the NewChurch attractive. (I place the word trads in quotes because I don't believe a true trad can lack the love, and hence magnetism, of Christ. I therefore think that true trads are few and far between. I'm not one yet, but I aspire to be.)

Sigismund · « **Reply #26 on:** May 21, 2011, 03:47:55 PM »

Telesphorus,

Well, I have examined my feelings closely for all of my 56 years. I found Asian women attractive before I met my wife.

I am offended (once again, to the extent that I am offended) by the implication that there is some inherent superiority to the white race. That notion is heresy, as well as racism. People are attracted to the people they are attracted to for a host of subjective reasons. I am not suggesting there is anything wrong with that. There is nothing wrong with a white person who only finds other whites attractive. I am troubled by the suggestion that this is anything other than ephemeral personal preference, that there is some objective and ontological basis for this.

And before anyone asks, racism is heretical because it attacks a cardinal doctrine of our faith, the Incarnation. God became man, and the humanity of Christ in the Incarnation is not racially specific. He did not redeem one group of people more than another based on race. Since God shows no such partiality, I don't see how we can follow Him and do so. It also seems to me to deny the reality of our common parentage.

Sigismund · « **Reply #27 on:** May 21, 2011, 03:50:23 PM »

I noticed that someone "liked" the post by Telesphorus that I accidentally "Disliked". I expect whoever did that did so because they genuinely liked the post, bust on the off chance that someone did it to counteract my unintended dislike, thanks.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #28 on:** May 21, 2011, 03:53:46 PM »

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Telesphorus,

I clicked "Dislike" on you post above by mistake. I am not sure how I managed that. I tried to click "Like' to counterbalance it, but it appears that one you click one you can't click the other. My apologies.

Don't worry about it - out of over 300 dislikes, it hardly adds much to the general atmosphere of disapproval

Atleast you don't have as many dislikes as Hietanen and "Pope" Augustine II did.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #29 on:** May 21, 2011, 03:55:05 PM »

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I am offended (once again, to the extent that I am offended) by the implication that there is some inherent superiority to the white race.

No one ever said anything about moral or spiritual superiority. The simple fact there is no reason a priori to deny that there can be comparable differences in the qualities of the races.

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That notion is heresy, as well as racism.

How on earth could it be heresy to observe differences in races?

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People are attracted to the people they are attracted to for a host of subjective reasons. I am not suggesting there is anything wrong with that. There is nothing wrong with a white person who only finds other whites attractive. I am troubled by the suggestion that this is anything other than ephemeral personal preference, that there is some objective and ontological basis for this.

You are troubled by the idea of beauty having an objective existence?

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And before anyone asks, racism is heretical because it attacks a cardinal doctrine of our faith, the Incarnation. God became man, and the humanity of Christ in the Incarnation is not racially specific. He did not redeem one group of people more than another based on race.

And no one said otherwise.

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Since God shows no such partiality, I don't see how we can follow Him and do so. It also seems to me to deny the reality of our common parentage.

You are apparently partial towards asian women. I understand the sentiment, but I suspect it was something that was conditioned by your experiences in life rather than being an inborn preference.