Author Topic: Is Every Islamic Atrocity a fαℓѕє fℓαg? (Read 1794 times)

TheKnightVigilant · « **on:** February 22, 2015, 02:35:21 AM »

According to a certain subset of traditional Catholics:

-9/11 was a fαℓѕє fℓαg
-2004 Madrid bombings were a fαℓѕє fℓαg
-2005 London bombings were a fαℓѕє fℓαg
-2013 Boston Bombings were a fαℓѕє fℓαg
-2013 Woolwich attack was a fαℓѕє fℓαg
-Charlie Hebdo massacre was a fαℓѕє fℓαg
-Copenhagen attacks were a fαℓѕє fℓαg
-ISIS beheading videos are fake
-ISIS killing 21 Christians is fake

Could somebody name an Islamic terrorist attack that wasn't a fαℓѕє fℓαg? Do Muslims actually pose any threat whatsoever to western civilization? I mean, it seems as if they've never actually attacked us. It's always da Jєωs or some other convenient scapegoat. Funny, because the Muslims never needed Jєωιѕн puppet masters to whip them into frenzied violence at any other point in history. They were able to motivate themselves just fine for 1400 years. What changed in the 21st century?

TKGS · « **Reply #1 on:** February 22, 2015, 05:26:45 AM »

Often, the fαℓѕє fℓαg claim comes in before anything is claimed by the police agencies. For example, I began hearing that the Boston bombing was a fαℓѕє fℓαg before we even knew they were going to claim that Muslims were involved.

When it comes to 9-11, I will say that I believe that there are problems with the official story, but for most of the events, the fαℓѕє fℓαg claims seem to be unwarranted. And I don't even think that 9-11 was completely or was definitely a fαℓѕє fℓαg event, only that something happened that is being covered up.

And I really don't think any of the filmed murders have been faked. Even if they were fαℓѕє fℓαg events, the various governments involved would be hesitant about actually killing the people they are claiming to have killed.

BTNYC · « **Reply #2 on:** February 22, 2015, 08:35:05 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

Often, the fαℓѕє fℓαg claim comes in before anything is claimed by the police agencies. For example, I began hearing that the Boston bombing was a fαℓѕє fℓαg before we even knew they were going to claim that Muslims were involved.

When it comes to 9-11, I will say that I believe that there are problems with the official story, but for most of the events, the fαℓѕє fℓαg claims seem to be unwarranted. And I don't even think that 9-11 was completely or was definitely a fαℓѕє fℓαg event, only that something happened that is being covered up.

And I really don't think any of the filmed murders have been faked. Even if they were fαℓѕє fℓαg events, the various governments involved would be hesitant about actually killing the people they are claiming to have killed.

I'm done helping TKV construct strawmen against which to rage, so I doubt I'll be directly replying to anything he posts anymore. Suffice it to say, I personally don't think any of the events listed in his OP (with one notable exception) were done entirely without Mohammedan involvement (and some, TKV will be stunned to learn, I believe were done entirely by Mohammedans with no help from the Jєωs - I'll let him have fun trying to figure out which ones those were).

But the notable exception to which I refer is the series of "ISIS beheading videos." That you refer to them as "filmed murders" suggests to me that you haven't actually watched them. The Nick Berg and Kim Sun Il videos of a decade ago clealry depict actual murders. The Foley Sotloff, etc videos clearly do not. They are needlessly over-produced, bold-faced fakeries that do not show any beheadings at all. Why not? Is ISIS concerned with getting an "R" rating? Are they terrorists who are scrupulous about actually, you know, terrorizing people? If you've avoided the ISIS videos out of a sensitivity to gore, fear not - there is none. Watch them. You will see unnaturally calm "victims" (a far cry from the actually terrified victims of yesteryear like Kim Sun Il) reading prepared statements before the British "Jihadi" takes his place behind them with his suspiciously fake looking knife, places the "blade" against the "victim's" throat and makes upwards of seven slashes producing no blood whatsoever (even a butter knife would have drawn some blood after that many strokes) before a tasteful fade to black, and a fade in to the much easier to fake aftermath.

Seriously. Watch these videos. They are so brazenly staged that I'd say the burden of proof rests squarely on the shoulders of anyone trying to assert their authenticity. Add to the list of damning evidence the fact that all of these obviously staged productions were "discovered" by Iraqi-born Mossad shill Jєωess Rita Katz's "private intelligence" outfit SITE Intelligence Agency - the same bunch of hacks who ~~discovered~~ produced the outrageously fake "convenient bin Laden confession video" featuring the fat bin laden lookalike (see and compare below) and the picture becomes clear - there is a concerted, well funded industry producing fake Psy-Op videodramas for public consumption - and the ISIS "beheading" videos are nothing more than products of that Jєω-produced fakery.

TheKnightVigilant · « **Reply #3 on:** February 23, 2015, 01:19:26 AM »

Name a major Islamic terror attack that was not a fαℓѕє fℓαg. I don't play pointless guessing games.

Ask yourself this: Why would modern western governments, all of which are pro-Islam, pro multiculturalism and pro Muslim immigration, fake Muslim terror attacks which serve only to turn people against Islam, multiculturalism, and Muslim immigration? Islamic terror is actually leading to something of a conservative resurgence, which is precisely what today's elites do NOT want.

There are just too many holes and contradictions in your half-baked theories. On the one hand the Jєωs are behind mass Muslim immigration (which is partially true), but on the other hand they manufacture the very terror attacks that are turning people against Islam and mass immigration. They're undermining their own plans. It makes absolutely no sense.

The reality is that Islamic terror is a major obstacle to the elite agenda. They want us to deny the facts of history and the evidence of our own eyes by accepting that Islam is a peaceful religion which poses no threat and can be integrated into our society. The problem is that the relentless and very public atrocities committed by Muslims on a daily basis means that they can't peddle these lies anymore. People just aren't buying it.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #4 on:** February 23, 2015, 06:39:12 AM »

The religion of Islam is from Satan so that is terror enough for me but the byproduct of all these current atrocities so benefits the Jєωιѕн worldview and the State of Israel to such a high extent that my suspicions are naturally raised.

The Jєωs, who care nothing of non-Jєωs and encourage their spiritual destruction in all matters are now encouraging non-Jєωs to take up arms against Islam. In times of peace and tranquility, the Jєωιѕн mind is conjuring destruction or deceit for gain amongst the non-Jєω. Throughout history, the prime movers behind laws legalizing pornography, blasphemy, abortion, divorce and opening borders to destroy cultures whom the Jєωs wanted to harm, these prime movers were always Jєωs. So, now we are to close our eyes and imagine that the drumbeat for constant violent conflict with Islam is a good idea?

As for your question as to whether "all atrocities" are fαℓѕє fℓαgs I would say that this is not a game of all or nothing. That kind of thinking leads to mischief. I have no doubt that some atrocities are real.

TKGS · « **Reply #5 on:** February 23, 2015, 08:17:38 AM »

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

As for your question as to whether "all atrocities" are fαℓѕє fℓαgs I would say that this is not a game of all or nothing. That kind of thinking leads to mischief. I have no doubt that some atrocities are real.

While I believe there have been fαℓѕє fℓαg atrocities in the past and there are sure to be some in the future, it does seem that many on CathInfo and elsewhere automatically believe every single such act is a fαℓѕє fℓαg and also believe many of them are faked.

Frankly, I don't believe the fαℓѕє fℓαg operations are faked at all. I believe these operations kill people wantonly and that those who perpetrate them have no compunction about killing as many people as they deem necessary in order to bring about their desired end.

Additionally, I don't think most of these videos are fake murders. I think people are dying and I don't understand why, even if they are fαℓѕє fℓαg events, people would think the governments involved would have any problem killing the people they say they are killing.

BTNYC · « **Reply #6 on:** February 23, 2015, 09:07:15 AM »

Quote from: TKGS

Additionally, I don't think most of these videos are fake murders. I think people are dying and I don't understand why, even if they are fαℓѕє fℓαg events, people would think the governments involved would have any problem killing the people they say they are killing.

Again, have you seen the Sotloff, Foley etc. "beheading videos?" If real human beings are being killed in them, why is no killing being shown? What is there to be gained by not showing beheadings in beheading videos?

I know firsthand from my own rabidly anti-Mohammedan, rabidly pro-Israel neocon brother that these videos have a profound psychological effect on the very credulous average American. That kind of rabid, fear-driven effacement of rationality is precisely what is needed to sell the American public on yet another protracted, pointless war in the Middle East.

Again, the utterly self-evident unreality of the "Jihadi John" series of bloodless, beheading-free "beheading videos" speaks for itself, as does the plainly obvious fact that the jovial fat guy pictured above is not Osama bin Laden. Anyone arguing for their authenticity must shoulder the burden of proof, not those, like me, who have a pair of working eyes and a functioning brain who can see on first glance that these are fakes. The recent video showing the "immolation" of the "Jordanian pilot" is, I will readily admit, much more convincing looking (as it at least shows the deed it is purported to be about). But the fact that it is yet another "discovery" of Rita Katz's SITE Intelligence (who were responsible for those aformentioned frauds), combined with the absurdly over-produced borderline-Hollywood quality of the production itself, leads me to classify that video too as a fake (albeit a much better produced one).

BTNYC · « **Reply #7 on:** February 23, 2015, 09:34:30 AM »

Also add to the list of evidence damning evidence against the authenticity of the "beheading videos" is the fact that merely viewing them can be construed as a crime in the OP's own native country:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/20/isis-british-militant-james-foley-video

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Scotland Yard warned the public that viewing, downloading or disseminating the video within the UK might constitute a criminal offence under terrorism legislation.

Say, "Jihadi John" does have a pretty blatant British accent, doesn't he?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/ubIpoPjBUds[/youtube]

Pretty smart of ol Rita to stop working with the Brits when it came time to do the big "Immolation" sequel. I mean I loved Doctor Who as much as any other schi fi nerd gowing up, but the special effects were pretty shoddy...

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #8 on:** February 23, 2015, 12:41:51 PM »

Many trads are skeptical <understatement> of msm. Catholics should be ruthlessly objective, filtering all through the faith, that's how we find truth. We won't find it if we allow ourselves to be mind controlled via gov't controlled media outlets, used to create these Hegelian dialectics.
Ask yourself, who do they serve? And what is the agenda of manufactured information put forth as news?

a few quick recent examples:
Every Television Newscast: Staged Reality
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2015/02/14/every-television-newscast-staged-reality/

CIA Mind Control Program: Not gone, not forgotten
http://www.activistpost.com/2015/01/cia-mind-control-program-not-gone-not.html

Regarding 'Normalcy Bias' :
The CDC: mind control on a vast scale
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2015/02/16/the-cdc-mind-control-on-a-vast-scale/

another perspective:
Islamic Terror and the great deception
http://personalliberty.com/islamic-terror-great-deception/

There's a ton of information out there. While I don't subscribe to her personal philosophies, this woman has a compilation of government docs on her website (interspersed with other docs) that you can research independently. I just like this site for convenience:
http://www.stopthecrime.net/source.html

Just say no to media propaganda. As +PG+ said in another thread, it's too dark, mirroring the evil one.

MarylandTrad · « **Reply #9 on:** February 23, 2015, 03:37:03 PM »

Operation Northwoods was a series of proposals for actions against the Cuban government, that originated within the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other US government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The proposals were rejected by the Kennedy administration.

At the time of the proposal, Cuba had recently become communist under Fidel Castro. The operation proposed creating public support for a war against Cuba by blaming it for terrorist acts that would actually be perpetrated by the US Government (this is "fαℓѕє fℓαg Terrorism"). To this end, Operation Northwoods proposals recommended hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:

The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.

Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various US military and civilian targets. The operation recommended developing a "Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".

The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the US government's anti-communist Cuban Project, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

BTNYC · « **Reply #10 on:** February 23, 2015, 04:06:02 PM »

Quote from: MarylandTrad

Operation Northwoods was a series of proposals for actions against the Cuban government, that originated within the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other US government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The proposals were rejected by the Kennedy administration.

At the time of the proposal, Cuba had recently become communist under Fidel Castro. The operation proposed creating public support for a war against Cuba by blaming it for terrorist acts that would actually be perpetrated by the US Government (this is "fαℓѕє fℓαg Terrorism"). To this end, Operation Northwoods proposals recommended hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:

The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.

Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various US military and civilian targets. The operation recommended developing a "Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".

The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the US government's anti-communist Cuban Project, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

That would have been a case of Uncle Sam returning to his original fαℓѕє fℓαg stoming grounds, as the sinking of the USS Maine was almost certainly a self-perpetrated act used to justify an unjust war against a venerable Catholic monarchy whose colonial presence so close to the American mainland was utterly intolerable to the Masonic powers that be.

And it worked like gangbusters - "Remember the Maine, to hell with Spain!" was on the lips of every blindlessly jingoistic American and the government enjoyed wide support for its totally indefensible campaign of aggression against Spain.

So it was then, and so it was with Pearl Harbor, 9/11, and these super-polished ISIS videodramas... fαℓѕє fℓαgs are perpetrated because they work.

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #11 on:** February 23, 2015, 07:46:22 PM »

Quote from: BTNYC

Quote from: MarylandTrad
Operation Northwoods was a series of proposals for actions against the Cuban government, that originated within the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other US government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The proposals were rejected by the Kennedy administration.

At the time of the proposal, Cuba had recently become communist under Fidel Castro. The operation proposed creating public support for a war against Cuba by blaming it for terrorist acts that would actually be perpetrated by the US Government (this is "fαℓѕє fℓαg Terrorism"). To this end, Operation Northwoods proposals recommended hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:

The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.

Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various US military and civilian targets. The operation recommended developing a "Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".

The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the US government's anti-communist Cuban Project, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

That would have been a case of Uncle Sam returning to his original fαℓѕє fℓαg stoming grounds, as the sinking of the USS Maine was almost certainly a self-perpetrated act used to justify an unjust war against a venerable Catholic monarchy whose colonial presence so close to the American mainland was utterly intolerable to the Masonic powers that be.

And it worked like gangbusters - "Remember the Maine, to hell with Spain!" was on the lips of every blindlessly jingoistic American and the government enjoyed wide support for its totally indefensible campaign of aggression against Spain.

So it was then, and so it was with Pearl Harbor, 9/11, and these super-polished ISIS videodramas... fαℓѕє fℓαgs are perpetrated because they work.

Even many people who are Traditional Catholics continue to fall for these "fαℓѕє fℓαgs" even though we have continually warned them not to help enable "fαℓѕє fℓαgs".