She isn’t trying to find the truth.  And I’m not here to change her.  This site is not “group therapy”.  Sometimes it’s a sermon.  She can either listen to the Truth or ignore it.  I think we all know she won’t listen.  She hasn’t listened to hardly anything, on any topic, since she joined.  I hope she leaves.  She’s a horrible example to younger people on here. 

That school sounds wonderfully eccentric and eclectic ❤️🙏You should come to England!! There are ladies like you here…just eloquent and not fitting into the box…you’d love it (am sure you’ve been!).

I wasn't trying to reduce anything. You could have added that bit, charitably.  Something simple like "and to add being immoddest is offense a against God and sends you to hell."  I wouldn't have taken offense at that.  I do take offense that you automatically assume that I am trying to do something against God.

I was trying to reach a women's emotion, which most men have no clue how to do.  If you want to effect change in some women, you can not ignore this.

Isn't everyone's job to cooperate with grace, and doesn't that come from different places (yes I know it comes from God, I just met through different people and all the correct Catholic stuff), and are we suppose to help each other communicate better?

This society in general spends so much time at each other's throats, trying to look at what is wrong with everything, we don't look for the good that needs to built on.

I try to, for the most part, reread my posts and see if I was the one receiving how would I react, if it gets a bad reaction, then I adjust accordingly. Sometimes I am successful and sometimes I am not, but I keep trying.  I think we forget that we are all very unique people on the other side of these usernames and that we should try to talk to these people like they are sitting in front of us.

I am sorry, I digress and I am sorry, I post like this too much.  I just want a better Godly world and that only happens if we try to meet people where they are and help them to the Truth.  Didn't some Saint say that?

Generated by AI, so it's not perfect but it gives us an idea.

"St. Francis of Assisi
is the premier example of a saint who met people where they were, famously embracing lepers, eating with outcasts, and preaching to the poor in their own surroundings. His approach focused on identifying with the marginalized and celebrating God's presence in all creation.
Other saints known for this approach include:

• St. Anthony of Padua: Traveled throughout Italy to preach to people, including heretics, by focusing on the grandeur of the faith rather than harsh condemnation.
• St. Paul the Apostle: Described in 1 Corinthians 9:19-21, he adapted his approach to engage with both Jews and Gentiles in their own contexts to share the Gospel.
• St. Francis de Sales: Known as the "Doctor of the Laity," he met people through gentle guidance and focused on holiness in everyday, ordinary life.
• St. John Vianney: Met the spiritual needs of thousands by spending up to 16 hours a day in the confessional. "

So back to the topic at hand.

Ballet is defined as "an artistic dance form performed to music using precise and highly formalized set steps and gestures. Classical ballet, which originated in Renaissance Italy and established its present form during the 19th century, is characterized by light, graceful, fluid movements and the use of pointe shoes."

So by that definition is ballet immoral?

If you add the costumes, it's use (privately among only women to establish gracefulness or as performance), and the type of people involved, then you have different ideas.

Here is what AI said about the topic pre vatican 2

Pre-Vatican II (prior to 1962–1965) Catholic, decency standards were characterized by a strict, authoritative, and traditionalist approach to behavior, modesty, and sacred art
. The Church emphasized separation from worldly, secular influences and enforced high standards for modesty in dress and conduct, particularly in sacred spaces.
Key aspects of pre-Vatican II decency included:

• Modesty and Dress Code: Strict adherence to modesty was expected, often enforced by pastors and sometimes including the wearing of head coverings (veils) for women in church, a practice that has seen a resurgence in some groups.
• Sacred Art and Decorum: The Church actively regulated art and statues to prevent the display of images that lacked "proper decency and decorum," were of poor artistic quality, or could lead to "dangerous error".
• Moral and Cultural Separation: The Church generally advocated for separation from modern secular culture, with guidance to avoid "worldly" amusements.
• Liturgical Reverence: The atmosphere in churches was generally one of silence, passivity, and deep reverence, with a strong focus on the "majesty and inaccessibility" of God.
• Role of Authority: Decency standards were upheld by a, in some respects, authoritarian structure, where parishioners followed the direction of their priests in matters of faith and morals.

While some remember this era as a high point of piety, others note that it was a time with hidden, sometimes "authoritarian," pressures. The focus was on compliance with established rules, including abstinence from meat on Fridays and rigorous attendance at Mass.

Yes, I know AI has a bias that old fashion is bad.


Just google women's dress effect on men and look at the studies that are out there.  It will be eye opening.

I had lots of conversations with my husband on this topic and he says it is very hard these days to keep the custody of the eyes, because women don't care.  All of the sɛҳuąƖ harassment training is focused on how a man should speak to a woman, but not on how the dress of a woman distracts the man.  We need to keep all these things in mind.

If we are truly being the best Catholic, then we should be sacrificial in our love for our neighbor.  It means that us women should care to cover up more, not because the men want us to, but because we are nurturing and we see that it is hard for them, so we do it as a sacrifice because we love God first.

What did young men and women do to meet in the past instead of dance?