Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: Is Ballet Immoral?  (Read 10067 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Gray2023

  • Supporter
Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
« Reply #125 on: February 04, 2026, 03:56:21 PM »
Women MUST dress modestly or else go to hell.  Yes, charity to men is part of it but….a woman who dresses immodestly is offending God’s law.  Even if no one else is around. 

You are reducing modesty to merely being a sin against one’s neighbor (ie scandal).  That’s wrong.  Immodesty is wrong before God.  Period. 

Even if no man is tempted, if no man sins, if a woman dresses immodestly, she has already sinned against God. 
I wasn't trying to reduce anything. You could have added that bit, charitably.  Something simple like "and to add being immoddest is offense a against God and sends you to hell."  I wouldn't have taken offense at that.  I do take offense that you automatically assume that I am trying to do something against God.

I was trying to reach a women's emotion, which most men have no clue how to do.  If you want to effect change in some women, you can not ignore this.


Online Pax Vobis

  • Supporter
Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
« Reply #126 on: February 04, 2026, 05:16:03 PM »
I wasn't trying to reduce anything. You could have added that bit, charitably.  Something simple like "and to add being immoddest is offense a against God and sends you to hell."  I wouldn't have taken offense at that.  I do take offense that you automatically assume that I am trying to do something against God.

I was trying to reach a women's emotion, which most men have no clue how to do.  If you want to effect change in some women, you can not ignore this.
I have no idea what will or won’t offend you.  It’s not my job to effect change in women, that’s THEIR job - to cooperate with grace.  


Offline Gray2023

  • Supporter
Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
« Reply #127 on: February 04, 2026, 05:56:44 PM »
I have no idea what will or won’t offend you.  It’s not my job to effect change in women, that’s THEIR job - to cooperate with grace. 
Isn't everyone's job to cooperate with grace, and doesn't that come from different places (yes I know it comes from God, I just met through different people and all the correct Catholic stuff), and are we suppose to help each other communicate better?

This society in general spends so much time at each other's throats, trying to look at what is wrong with everything, we don't look for the good that needs to built on.

I try to, for the most part, reread my posts and see if I was the one receiving how would I react, if it gets a bad reaction, then I adjust accordingly. Sometimes I am successful and sometimes I am not, but I keep trying.  I think we forget that we are all very unique people on the other side of these usernames and that we should try to talk to these people like they are sitting in front of us.

I am sorry, I digress and I am sorry, I post like this too much.  I just want a better Godly world and that only happens if we try to meet people where they are and help them to the Truth.  Didn't some Saint say that?

Generated by AI, so it's not perfect but it gives us an idea.

"St. Francis of Assisi
is the premier example of a saint who met people where they were, famously embracing lepers, eating with outcasts, and preaching to the poor in their own surroundings. His approach focused on identifying with the marginalized and celebrating God's presence in all creation. 
Other saints known for this approach include:
  • St. Anthony of Padua: Traveled throughout Italy to preach to people, including heretics, by focusing on the grandeur of the faith rather than harsh condemnation.
  • St. Paul the Apostle: Described in 1 Corinthians 9:19-21, he adapted his approach to engage with both Jews and Gentiles in their own contexts to share the Gospel.
  • St. Francis de Sales: Known as the "Doctor of the Laity," he met people through gentle guidance and focused on holiness in everyday, ordinary life.
  • St. John Vianney: Met the spiritual needs of thousands by spending up to 16 hours a day in the confessional. "


Online Pax Vobis

  • Supporter
Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
« Reply #128 on: February 04, 2026, 07:14:11 PM »
Isn't everyone's job to cooperate with grace, and doesn't that come from different places (yes I know it comes from God, I just met through different people and all the correct Catholic stuff), and are we suppose to help each other communicate better?

This society in general spends so much time at each other's throats, trying to look at what is wrong with everything, we don't look for the good that needs to built on.

I try to, for the most part, reread my posts and see if I was the one receiving how would I react, if it gets a bad reaction, then I adjust accordingly. Sometimes I am successful and sometimes I am not, but I keep trying.  I think we forget that we are all very unique people on the other side of these usernames and that we should try to talk to these people like they are sitting in front of us.

I am sorry, I digress and I am sorry, I post like this too much.  I just want a better Godly world and that only happens if we try to meet people where they are and help them to the Truth.  Didn't some Saint say that?

Generated by AI, so it's not perfect but it gives us an idea.

"St. Francis of Assisi
is the premier example of a saint who met people where they were, famously embracing lepers, eating with outcasts, and preaching to the poor in their own surroundings. His approach focused on identifying with the marginalized and celebrating God's presence in all creation.
Other saints known for this approach include:
  • St. Anthony of Padua: Traveled throughout Italy to preach to people, including heretics, by focusing on the grandeur of the faith rather than harsh condemnation.
  • St. Paul the Apostle: Described in 1 Corinthians 9:19-21, he adapted his approach to engage with both Jews and Gentiles in their own contexts to share the Gospel.
  • St. Francis de Sales: Known as the "Doctor of the Laity," he met people through gentle guidance and focused on holiness in everyday, ordinary life.
  • St. John Vianney: Met the spiritual needs of thousands by spending up to 16 hours a day in the confessional. "
I don’t need to communicate better.  I simply wrote the Truth of moral teaching on immodesty.  You explained it partially; I corrected you.  If you take offense, that’s on you.  Others would not take offense.  

You’re far too offended on this site.  You really need to take responsibility for being offended, if you decide to keep debating.  Insanity is to keep repeating the same action and expect a different result.  

Offline Gray2023

  • Supporter
Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
« Reply #129 on: February 04, 2026, 07:53:01 PM »
I don’t need to communicate better.  I simply wrote the Truth of moral teaching on immodesty.  You explained it partially; I corrected you.  If you take offense, that’s on you.  Others would not take offense. 

You’re far too offended on this site.  You really need to take responsibility for being offended, if you decide to keep debating.  Insanity is to keep repeating the same action and expect a different result. 
Don't we all need to do things better?  None of us are perfect.  If we are not getting our points understood then we are not communicating well.

People make many good points on this site, but sometimes they are missed with all the name calling, making things personal, and "you, you, you" stuff.

Here is what AI says about taking responsibility for being offended

"Taking responsibility for being offended means recognizing that your emotional reaction is a personal choice based on your interpretations, rather than a direct result of another person’s actions. To take ownership, pause before reacting, analyze why the comment hit a personal trigger, and choose to manage your internal state rather than blaming others."

I will try to do better, but I expect the same in others.