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Offline Justinian

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Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
« Reply #105 on: Yesterday at 04:48:58 AM »
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  • Based on your posts I think you are either

    a) a lukewarm fake 'Catholic'

    Or

    b) an infiltrator
    I’m just a human full of faults like us all. But I think there’s a strong puritan and Pharisee vibe amongst a minority of traditional Catholics. Read again the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector. I’m aware I’m probably wasting my time here. God bless you. I wish you only good fortune and happiness. Likely your offline personality is far kinder than the digital version!! Prayers for you and your family. 

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #106 on: Yesterday at 04:51:57 AM »
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  • So, while I think that someone could arrive rationally at a different conclusion than other regarding certain aspects of moral theology, and I don't think someone who believe in the liceity of dancing should be characterized as "lukewarm", one can certainly sense that the one poster is not being objective or rational, but has some vested interest in the outcome ... perhaps has her children enrolled in ballet, or something?  She should be cautioned to do some self-reflection to determine whether she's being completely objective.  There's another aspect that sometimes factors in from women, where they don't fully understand the effect that certain types of female immodesty might have on men, and simply because they themselves might not have the same reaction to the same types of things when done by men ... they write it off as hyperbole from some "oversensitive" types, often implying that they're perverts or something.

    I'm also not huge on taking anecdotal hearsay evidence regarding saints ... without independent corroboration, since, just like with Padre Pio, you can find many fabricated "St. John Vianney" stories.

    I base my assessment almost entirely on the guidance issued by the Holy Office under Pope Pius XI.  That's the last Magisterial / Papal direction we've received on the matter, and nothing that the Conciliar Modernist Papal Claimant would say on the subject can be regarded as the least bit credible.

    https://mikechurch.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Modesty_Pius_XI.pdf

    I hold that the prohibition of ballet (as we've drifted from the subject of this thread) would fall under the same stipulation as "public athletic events", the idea being the same, that they're public.  Presumably if the events are not public and don't entail mixed company (with men around), they may be considered acceptable for other prudent purposes.  Let's say there's a ballet school, and the intent is for the girls to learn some coordination, grace, agility, etc. ... similar to gymnastics, presumably if these take place in a non-public setting and not with mixed company (with males interacting with the females), it might be considered acceptable.  I just don't know if situations like that exist.  I think that some events are only quasi-public, such as if girls might be involved in sports ... as no one is forcing any men to be present for these.  In other words, just because men / males CAN show up, does that make it public per se?  If it's an occasion of sin for those men, then why are they showing up there?  But, let's say it's at school, where the student body (including boys or young men) are brought in to watch, that might be different.


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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #107 on: Yesterday at 05:35:53 AM »
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  • So you can't have any social occasions that don't involve dancing, such as a general "social", perhaps with dinner and food?  Is dancing the only way for "young men and women to meet"?
    The problem is: Most social events end with some kind of dancing or singing. Even a wedding, a holiday, a corporate dinner, etc, always end the same way.

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #108 on: Yesterday at 06:23:56 AM »
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  • I’m just a human full of faults like us all. But I think there’s a strong puritan and Pharisee vibe amongst a minority of traditional Catholics. Read again the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector. I’m aware I’m probably wasting my time here. God bless you. I wish you only good fortune and happiness. Likely your offline personality is far kinder than the digital version!! Prayers for you and your family.
    The reason I suspect you as an infiltrator is due to your communication with "Miss" Boru, and your censorship of the spelling of God with an *, this is what jews do.

    See here for what Boru was banned for.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/boru-salza/msg1003249/#msg1003249

    It's very alarming to me to you claim to email Boru while referring to him as a her. You claimed Boru's posts were "excellent" but Boru repeatedly denied Catholic DOGMA, this is no small matter.

    Plus you never retracted your wicked statements earlier. It's no small matter to refer to Catholic modesty as islamic, or use terms like incel, puritan, mysoginistic and even calling us a breakaway protestant sect.

    Imagine thinking that you can make these statements in response after reading quotes from Catholic saints on modesty and immodest dancing and then acting as if it never happened. What (((odd))) behaviour. Boru did something similar.

    So I will continue calling your strange and unCatholic behaviour out until you repent and change your ways.

    Offline AnthonyPadua

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #109 on: Yesterday at 06:30:12 AM »
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  • So you believe women shouldn’t ride bicycles? 🤣 This thread is becoming more ludicrous and entertaining by the minute.

    ((tell me you’re not married without telling me you’re not married))🤣🤣🤣🤣
    Yes women should not ride bicycles as that would mean sitting astride.


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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #110 on: Yesterday at 06:41:00 AM »
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  • Yes women should not ride bicycles as that would mean sitting astride.
    What exercises can they do to keep thin?  The daily chores don't cut it anymore because of the modern machinery available.
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #111 on: Yesterday at 06:43:51 AM »
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  • The reason I suspect you as an infiltrator is due to your communication with "Miss" Boru, and your censorship of the spelling of God with an *, this is what jews do.

    See here for what Boru was banned for.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/boru-salza/msg1003249/#msg1003249

    It's very alarming to me to you claim to email Boru while referring to him as a her. You claimed Boru's posts were "excellent" but Boru repeatedly denied Catholic DOGMA, this is no small matter.

    Plus you never retracted your wicked statements earlier. It's no small matter to refer to Catholic modesty as islamic, or use terms like incel, puritan, mysoginistic and even calling us a breakaway protestant sect.

    Imagine thinking that you can make these statements in response after reading quotes from Catholic saints on modesty and immodest dancing and then acting as if it never happened. What (((odd))) behaviour. Boru did something similar.

    So I will continue calling your strange and unCatholic behaviour out until you repent and change your ways.
    Is Boru band? Or did she just give up?  I thought people are removed from the members list when they are banned.
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #112 on: Yesterday at 06:46:13 AM »
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  • Based on your posts I think you are either

    a) a lukewarm fake 'Catholic'

    Or

    b) an infiltrator
    It is not your job to do this.

    She is learning like the rest of us 

    None of us have a full understanding of the Crisis and none of us know if we have picked the side most pleasing to God.

    God will judge us on our charity or lack there of.  Going up to a stranger on a forum and slapping them with words is not charitable.  You can make corrections without making it so personal  I would advise you learn how to do that.
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine


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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #113 on: Yesterday at 06:46:37 AM »
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  • What exercises can they do to keep thin?  The daily chores don't cut it anymore because of the modern machinery available.
    Walking is enough if you do enough. I walked over 13k steps today and burned nearly 3000 calories according to my smart watch.

    For a women no more than twice a week exercise in a home gym. It's not good for a woman who isn't overweight to train too much/hard, it can lower fertility.

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #114 on: Yesterday at 06:47:44 AM »
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  • It is not your job to do this.

    She is learning like the rest of us

    None of us have a full understanding of the Crisis and none of us know if we have picked the side most pleasing to God.

    God will judge us on our charity or lack there of.  Going up to a stranger on a forum and slapping them with words is not charitable.  You can make corrections without making it so personal  I would advise you learn how to do that.
    This stranger has said evil words in response to Catholic modest and quotes from the Saints. If they are Catholic and not an infiltrator they will reflect and change.

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #115 on: Yesterday at 06:58:10 AM »
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  • Walking is enough if you do enough. I walked over 13k steps today and burned nearly 3000 calories according to my smart watch.

    For a women no more than twice a week exercise in a home gym. It's not good for a woman who isn't overweight to train too much/hard, it can lower fertility.
    I don't think you burn 3000 calories by walking 13000 steps.

    Ai from the internet "Walking 13,000 steps burns approximately 450 to 700+ calories, depending heavily on your body weight, pace, and fitness level, with heavier individuals and faster paces burning more, but a general estimate is around 0.04 to 0.06 calories per step, equating to roughly 520-780 calories for many, but less for lighter individuals."

    If you don't use all you muscles you lose them. The article has some modern ideas ignore them it is not the point.

    https://www.nia.nih.gov/news/how-can-strength-training-build-healthier-bodies-we-age

    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine


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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #116 on: Yesterday at 07:00:07 AM »
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  • This stranger has said evil words in response to Catholic modest and quotes from the Saints. If they are Catholic and not an infiltrator they will reflect and change.
    She is also sanguine and not melancholic like us, so you need to be more understanding Melancholics have an insane push in themselves for perfection. 
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #117 on: Yesterday at 10:26:27 AM »
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  • She is also sanguine and not melancholic like us, so you need to be more understanding Melancholics have an insane push in themselves for perfection.
    Give me a break.  Plenty of saints were sanguine.  St Peter was.  Do sanguines have an inability to recognize sin?

    The whole point is, Justinian is a lax Catholic who has still not admitted that typical ballet is immodest.  She’s still defending it.  She’s an embarrassment.  

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    « Reply #118 on: Yesterday at 11:40:49 AM »
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  • Give me a break.  Plenty of saints were sanguine.  St Peter was.  Do sanguines have an inability to recognize sin?

    The whole point is, Justinian is a lax Catholic who has still not admitted that typical ballet is immodest.  She’s still defending it.  She’s an embarrassment. 
    And you think that calling her an embarrassment and a lax Catholic is the way to help.  I think it is funny that people expect people to change and think vinegar is the way to do it.  Just because she calls you guys things doesn't mean you have to follow.  Conversion to Truth is a long process and not all people do it exactly the same way.  Women especially have emotional things to get through.  All I ask is you be patient. I always hope that CathInfo is a place to find the Truth and then get help to see Truth with Charity.  I am still hoping for that.

    And St. Peter denied Christ thrice before he became the great Saint that he is.

    Now go ahead and use vinegar on me now.  :cowboy:
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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #119 on: Yesterday at 12:27:20 PM »
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  • And you think that calling her an embarrassment and a lax Catholic is the way to help.  I think it is funny that people expect people to change and think vinegar is the way to do it.  Just because she calls you guys things doesn't mean you have to follow.  Conversion to Truth is a long process and not all people do it exactly the same way.  Women especially have emotional things to get through.  All I ask is you be patient. I always hope that CathInfo is a place to find the Truth and then get help to see Truth with Charity.  I am still hoping for that.

    And St. Peter denied Christ thrice before he became the great Saint that he is.

    Now go ahead and use vinegar on me now.  :cowboy:
    She isn’t trying to find the truth.  And I’m not here to change her.  This site is not “group therapy”.  Sometimes it’s a sermon.   She can either listen to the Truth or ignore it.  I think we all know she won’t listen.   She hasn’t listened to hardly anything, on any topic, since she joined.  I hope she leaves.   She’s a horrible example to younger people on here.