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Offline Mr G

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Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
« Reply #75 on: Today at 02:01:24 PM »
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  • So couples ballet and ice dancing have similarities that require lifts and poses that can be immodest.  Ballet dancing without the men looks more like the shen yun dancing. 

    So for dancing to be ok  Do we agree?

    1)The costume has to be modest
    2) If males are involved there is minimal touching (only safe areas like arms)
    3) the moves should not be sensual.
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    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #76 on: Today at 02:02:14 PM »
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  • Ballet started with Catherine de Medici as entrainment for the nobility around the 1500s or 1600s.  Does anyone know if it was started to degrade society?  Is the Medici family good people or bad?

    I will definitely say that as society moves forward entrainment loses its morals.  Dances now our way worse than they were 500 years ago.

    AnthonyPadua, is there any form of dance that you find acceptable?
    The de Medici Family was super-elite.  Highly suspect of being into witchcraft.  Used their power/$ to get family members elected as Cardinals and even the pope.  They are responsible for the "renaissance statues" all around the Vatican, many of which were taken down years later for their homo-erotic/risque poses (some still remain).  Not good people.


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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #77 on: Today at 02:21:03 PM »
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  •   Dances now our way worse than they were 500 years ago.
    Dances now are way worse than they were 50 years ago.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #79 on: Today at 03:05:27 PM »
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  • The de Medici Family was super-elite.  Highly suspect of being into witchcraft.  Used their power/$ to get family members elected as Cardinals and even the pope.  They are responsible for the "renaissance statues" all around the Vatican, many of which were taken down years later for their homo-erotic/risque poses (some still remain).  Not good people.
    That is what I figured.
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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #80 on: Today at 03:07:45 PM »
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  • Dances now are way worse than they were 50 years ago.
    Yes.
    I just wish it was easy to bring back decency.
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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #81 on: Today at 04:03:16 PM »
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  • The de Medici Family was super-elite.  Highly suspect of being into witchcraft.  Used their power/$ to get family members elected as Cardinals and even the pope.  They are responsible for the "renaissance statues" all around the Vatican, many of which were taken down years later for their homo-erotic/risque poses (some still remain).  Not good people.
    Hard to find too many elite families without some element of corruption. That doesn’t mean every art form the family endorses is immoral!

    I don’t think her family actually invented ballet, likely the people who did remain in obscurity, rather they promoted it in Italy and facilitated it becoming popular in France. I’m no expert on this particular topic, perhaps you are? 😊😉



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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #82 on: Today at 04:09:55 PM »
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  • Yes.
    I just wish it was easy to bring back decency.
    You made an excellent analogy about alcohol, which is fine in moderation but drunkenness and resulting behaviours are not…same with dance… most is beautiful art form but can be used in wrong ways. Erotica, pole dancing, the gyrations that pass for dancing in many nightclubs are just cover for prostitution and hook up culture. That doesn’t mean all dance is immoral especially the wonderful classical ballet!! Nothing wrong with dancing with the opposite sex either… it’s the way people have traditionally met future spouse! My parents met at a dance 😊🤣


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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #83 on: Today at 04:10:43 PM »
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  • Hard to find too many elite families without some element of corruption. That doesn’t mean every art form the family endorses is immoral!

    I don’t think her family actually invented ballet, likely the people who did remain in obscurity, rather they promoted it in Italy and facilitated it becoming popular in France. I’m no expert on this particular topic, perhaps you are? 😊😉
    :facepalm:  It's obvious you know nothing about the Medici family.  But yet you still blindly defend them.  :facepalm:

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #84 on: Today at 04:53:07 PM »
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  • That is a costume issue.  If the costumes were modest would the dance be a problem?

    Would this performance be a problem?  It also has ballet moves.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/0huAxNJwNZY?si=LTQTohFVp3R2YIOf
    Wrong. The spread of the legs is also immoral. I will be called extreme for this but frankly I think a women should never sit astride, in the past lady's would sit on horses or donkeys on side saddle. It's unbecoming, undignified and unlady like for a female to sit astride.

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #85 on: Today at 05:13:22 PM »
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  • My sister and I were both enrolled in Mrs. Robinnette’s School of Dance and Etiquette for Young Ladies. We were both quite young, from ages 4-7. It was for girls only, for ages 4-11 only. Mrs. Robinnette was a widow who had a dance studio built onto the back of her house. We did some ballet, folk dance, put on mini-musicals, learned how to walk, sit, serve food, sit,  converse gracefully. There were four levels of achievement after which the girls received a formal tea party and a diploma. I completed two levels after which time we moved. I recall nothing embarrassing about it except if someone’s brother made fun of his sister at drop off or pick up time. The world was still normal enough that boys usually looked upon anything “girly” with disdain.  Our standard clothing was a full leotard with either modern dance, ballet, or tap shoes, and a flared, pleated skirt with matching vest top. Each level wore a different color. Level One was pastel pink leotards and white skirt-vest. Level Two was pastel blue leotards and white, Level Three, white leotards with pastel green, Level Four was white leotards and bright yellow. I mostly enjoyed the classes and twirling around in the skirts to music. Mrs. Robinnette had a St. Bernard dog named Charlie for a pet. He stayed in the living room or outdoors. Despite his large size, he was very friendly. I remember sometimes we would be allowed to pet Charlie and feed him milkbone treats.
    Leotards are immodest



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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #86 on: Today at 05:14:05 PM »
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  • I am trying.  I just know that there are beautiful forms of dance that become less beautiful because of the costuming. 

    And certain types of dance have gone too far like hip hop and jazz.  Even Irish dance the skirts are way too short.  I like the folk dancing that Mr G shared.  But is it immoral because a man touches a women's waist or holds her hand?  I don't know. 

    Do I have to really worry about these things? No.  I have sons and they don't care about dancing.
    Do I worry that I offended God when I didn't know any better? Yes.

    But again no one on the internet really cares about intent, they just take what is written, interpret from their perspective and then call you something like a slithering lady.  But I digress.  Sorry.  :cowboy:
    Men and women who aren't married should not be holding the waist of each other. This should be obvious.

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #87 on: Today at 05:20:37 PM »
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  • You made an excellent analogy about alcohol, which is fine in moderation but drunkenness and resulting behaviours are not…same with dance… most is beautiful art form but can be used in wrong ways. Erotica, pole dancing, the gyrations that pass for dancing in many nightclubs are just cover for prostitution and hook up culture. That doesn’t mean all dance is immoral especially the wonderful classical ballet!! Nothing wrong with dancing with the opposite sex either… it’s the way people have traditionally met future spouse! My parents met at a dance 😊🤣
    You are really something else. As it was said already, her analogy was not excellent, it wasn't even accurate. Impurity unlike other sins is fought be FLEEING not active combat. It's not a case of a moderation like alcohol. The Saints teach this. Yet you ignore any real Catholic doctrine that goes against your bias.

    Dancing with the opposite sex can cause people to think there is feelings when it's really just their heart rate from the exercise. It's not appropriate for those who are married to dance with other people, for those unmarried there is risk. A more chaste method is preferred to meeting spouses.

    Since you are lukewarm God will begin to vomit you out of his mouth.

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #88 on: Today at 05:58:44 PM »
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  • 1)The costume has to be modest
    2) If males are involved there is minimal touching (only safe areas like arms)
    3) the moves should not be sensual.
    It's fine to establish some parameters, but I think we can also agree that if your friend says "I just signed my daughter up for ballet!" that there's 0% chance it's going to be appropriate.

    I've come across some so-called modest dance programs, but all they do is add a skirt with no concern for the rest of the outfit.