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Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
« Reply #60 on: Yesterday at 09:46:40 AM »
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  • :jester:  So if some overweight guy puts on point shoes, and moves his feet, it's all of a sudden called "ballet"?
    No of course not.  :cowboy: I was just saying that the dance moves are the same. And I wanted to know if the ones in the Chinese dance were also considered immoral.
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    « Reply #61 on: Yesterday at 09:50:24 AM »
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  • I was just saying that the dance moves are the same. 
    The dance moves are NOT the same.  :facepalm:


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    « Reply #62 on: Yesterday at 12:02:56 PM »
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  • The dance moves are NOT the same.  :facepalm:
    They do have some similarities to other forms of dance.  I know because in my youth i could have done those dance moves, yet i was never trained in Ancient Chinese dance.  My point is that the music and clothes effect the sensuality of the movement.  If that dance of the Chinese dancers was done in tutus, then it would be immodest.  But go ahead and put it down based on being literal.  ::) 
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    « Reply #63 on: Yesterday at 12:19:36 PM »
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  • You’ve gone from “they are the same” to…”some similarities”.   We’re making progress!

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    « Reply #64 on: Yesterday at 12:26:50 PM »
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  • No of course not.  :cowboy: I was just saying that the dance moves are the same. And I wanted to know if the ones in the Chinese dance were also considered immoral.
    This is Shen Yun and it’s AMAZING. So it’s a USA based Chinese dance company. They have been persecuted by the wretched CCP communist regime in China as they are Falun Gong members which the government there detest as they detest anything challenging their atheism. My friend went to see them in London a while ago and we hope to go at some point. Cirque Du Solei also the same style but western based company. Thanks for sharing. I can’t paste a link for some reason but you can google them.






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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #65 on: Yesterday at 12:34:41 PM »
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  • You’ve gone from “they are the same” to…”some similarities”.  We’re making progress!
    I am trying.   I just know that there are beautiful forms of dance that become less beautiful because of the costuming.  

    And certain types of dance have gone too far like hip hop and jazz.  Even Irish dance the skirts are way too short.  I like the folk dancing that Mr G shared.  But is it immoral because a man touches a women's waist or holds her hand?  I don't know. 

    Do I have to really worry about these things? No.  I have sons and they don't care about dancing.
    Do I worry that I offended God when I didn't know any better? Yes.

    But again no one on the internet really cares about intent, they just take what is written, interpret from their perspective and then call you something like a slithering lady.  But I digress.  Sorry.  :cowboy:
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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #66 on: Yesterday at 12:42:09 PM »
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  • I am trying.  I just know that there are beautiful forms of dance that become less beautiful because of the costuming. 

    And certain types of dance have gone too far like hip hop and jazz.  Even Irish dance the skirts are way too short.  I like the folk dancing that Mr G shared.  But is it immoral because a man touches a women's waist or holds her hand?  I don't know. 

    Do I have to really worry about these things? No.  I have sons and they don't care about dancing.
    Do I worry that I offended God when I didn't know any better? Yes.

    But again no one on the internet really cares about intent, they just take what is written, interpret from their perspective and then call you something like a slithering lady.  But I digress.  Sorry.  :cowboy:
    You sound very lovely and you’re trying to see both sides of the debate, of course there is bad intent in some dance (erotica and some burlesque and the ‘dance’ in nightclubs aimed at generating hook ups!) I think have a chat with your priest if you know one you trust who is sensible and don’t take notice of the puritanical opinions of many of the people on this group!! 

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  • You sound very lovely and you’re trying to see both sides of the debate, of course there is bad intent in some dance (erotica and some burlesque and the ‘dance’ in nightclubs aimed at generating hook ups!) I think have a chat with your priest if you know one you trust who is sensible and don’t take notice of the puritanical opinions of many of the people on this group!!
    The problem with melancholy and scrupulously is that they sneak back in even if you are assured you are not offending God.  I say this because sometimes it is really hard for other temperaments to understand the pitfalls of temperaments they don't live.  You said you were a sanguine, sometimes I wish I could be like that or a phlegmatic.  They seem to not worry so much about what others think.  :cowboy:
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    « Reply #68 on: Yesterday at 01:04:57 PM »
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  • My sister and I were both enrolled in Mrs. Robinnette’s School of Dance and Etiquette for Young Ladies. We were both quite young, from ages 4-7. It was for girls only, for ages 4-11 only. Mrs. Robinnette was a widow who had a dance studio built onto the back of her house. We did some ballet, folk dance, put on mini-musicals, learned how to walk, sit, serve food, sit,  converse gracefully. There were four levels of achievement after which the girls received a formal tea party and a diploma. I completed two levels after which time we moved. I recall nothing embarrassing about it except if someone’s brother made fun of his sister at drop off or pick up time. The world was still normal enough that boys usually looked upon anything “girly” with disdain.  Our standard clothing was a full leotard with either modern dance, ballet, or tap shoes, and a flared, pleated skirt with matching vest top. Each level wore a different color. Level One was pastel pink leotards and white skirt-vest. Level Two was pastel blue leotards and white, Level Three, white leotards with pastel green, Level Four was white leotards and bright yellow. I mostly enjoyed the classes and twirling around in the skirts to music. Mrs. Robinnette had a St. Bernard dog named Charlie for a pet. He stayed in the living room or outdoors. Despite his large size, he was very friendly. I remember sometimes we would be allowed to pet Charlie and feed him milkbone treats. 

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  • My sister and I were both enrolled in Mrs. Robinnette’s School of Dance and Etiquette for Young Ladies. We were both quite young, from ages 4-7. It was for girls only, for ages 4-11 only. Mrs. Robinnette was a widow who had a dance studio built onto the back of her house. We did some ballet, folk dance, put on mini-musicals, learned how to walk, sit, serve food, sit,  converse gracefully. There were four levels of achievement after which the girls received a formal tea party and a diploma. I completed two levels after which time we moved. I recall nothing embarrassing about it except if someone’s brother made fun of his sister at drop off or pick up time. The world was still normal enough that boys usually looked upon anything “girly” with disdain.  Our standard clothing was a full leotard with either modern dance, ballet, or tap shoes, and a flared, pleated skirt with matching vest top. Each level wore a different color. Level One was pastel pink leotards and white skirt-vest. Level Two was pastel blue leotards and white, Level Three, white leotards with pastel green, Level Four was white leotards and bright yellow. I mostly enjoyed the classes and twirling around in the skirts to music. Mrs. Robinnette had a St. Bernard dog named Charlie for a pet. He stayed in the living room or outdoors. Despite his large size, he was very friendly. I remember sometimes we would be allowed to pet Charlie and feed him milkbone treats.
    That school sounds wonderfully eccentric and eclectic ❤️🙏You should come to England!! There are ladies like you here…just eloquent and not fitting into the box…you’d love it (am sure you’ve been!). 

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #70 on: Yesterday at 01:12:37 PM »
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  • The problem with melancholy and scrupulously is that they sneak back in even if you are assured you are not offending God.  I say this because sometimes it is really hard for other temperaments to understand the pitfalls of temperaments they don't live.  You said you were a sanguine, sometimes I wish I could be like that or a phlegmatic.  They seem to not worry so much about what others think.  :cowboy:
    I DO understand as someone explained to me the melancholic temperament. I am told many traditional Catholics are melancholic. It’s hard to get the balance between being too liberal but also not having religious OCD ie being too scrupulous. 

    I’m very sanguine. I don’t even mind being insulted I tend to laugh… very difficult to offend. But I do need to be careful nit to joke about important things. My husband is choleric.


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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #71 on: Yesterday at 01:13:28 PM »
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  • What is the difference between ballet and ice dancing (other than what they wear on their feet)?...similar/same moves, similar/same costumes.
    Most Catholics would consider ice dancing immodest so why not ballet?
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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
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  • What is the difference between ballet and ice dancing (other than what they wear on their feet)?...similar/same moves, similar/same costumes.
    Most Catholics would consider ice dancing immodest so why not ballet?

    So couples ballet and ice dancing have similarities that require lifts and poses that can be immodest.   Ballet dancing without the men looks more like the shen yun dancing.  

    So for dancing to be ok  Do we agree?

    1)The costume has to be modest
    2) If males are involved there is minimal touching (only safe areas like arms)
    3) the moves should not be sensual.
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    « Reply #73 on: Yesterday at 01:39:02 PM »
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  • You sound very lovely and you’re trying to see both sides of the debate, of course there is bad intent in some dance (erotica and some burlesque and the ‘dance’ in nightclubs aimed at generating hook ups!) I think have a chat with your priest if you know one you trust who is sensible and don’t take notice of the puritanical opinions of many of the people on this group!!
    There is nothing puritanical about condemning ballet for gross immodesty.  A few popes have said the same.  You’re in the opposite end of scrupulously, which is having a lax conscience. 

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  • Ballet started with Catherine de Medici as entrainment for the nobility around the 1500s or 1600s.  Does anyone know if it was started to degrade society?  Is the Medici family good people or bad?

    I will definitely say that as society moves forward entrainment loses its morals.  Dances now our way worse than they were 500 years ago.

    AnthonyPadua, is there any form of dance that you find acceptable?
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