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Offline Giovanni Berto

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Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2026, 01:51:59 PM »
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  • Women are confused because they have no real perspective on the immodesty and impurity thing. Most of they were once silly teenage girls, but they don't really understand how male teenagers work.

    I could probably see some ballet dancing and not sin, because I am not a young man anymore, but this would not be the case if I were under 20 or so. The clothes are scandalous and so are the movements. Even if most male teenagers would not be tempted by it (because they are used to seeing much worse things), it does not make it an acceptable form of art.

    Not all dancing is sinful, but ballet surely is.

    If you encourage women do take part on it, they will get used to expose themselves indecently, plus, they will be an occasion of sin for men. They might not realize it right away, but, once they understand it, their sin will be worst. If they are attached to the art, they might rationalize and keep on dancing, which will only make they go deeper into sin.

    One could encourage some real traditional dance, those that were already existent by the XVIth century or so. Girls will be happier practicing a real sinless and edificant art.

    I did like some bad art when I was young, and I admit I probably would still enjoy it if I listened or watched it again today. It brings back good memories and is pleasant to the ears and to the eyes. But I don't go around trying to convince others (and my own self) that it is good and edificant. I know it's not. I have the moral duty to see things are they are and to be honest. Art touches our emotions, but we have to analyse it rationally.

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #16 on: February 01, 2026, 03:25:55 PM »
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  • Never felt comfortable watching ballet...probably because of the indecent male costumes.
    Many years later watched an interview where performers were joking and laughing about some dancers enhancing their endowments.
    I think the costumes definitely mark the line between decent and indecent.
    Like the music but will pass on the dance.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #17 on: February 01, 2026, 03:33:35 PM »
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  • Well let us think about this. 

    Shakespeare was performed in its time by only male actors.  Young men played the part of women. 
    And they were ALL denied absolution in the confessional even up to the later1800's
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #18 on: February 01, 2026, 04:27:56 PM »
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  • This article was allegedly written by 

    Fr. Martin Navarro, Ob.S.A.

    I am not familiar with this priest or organisation whatsoever.

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #19 on: February 01, 2026, 04:29:38 PM »
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  • Hahaha 😝 Let's not go overboard here! No vulgar dancing; no dirty dancing! But waltzes and ballets and Honestly! Let's not go overboard here! No vulgar dancing; no dirty dancing! But waltzes and ballets and foxtrotting, etc. are so beautiful!  People are going to dance!
    He was being sarcastic. Also people are also going to hell. David's dance was not immodest and was done for God, your ballet and others are done for your own self will.


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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #20 on: February 01, 2026, 04:32:42 PM »
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  • I got some responses from elderly relatives who remember pre Vatican 2:

    ‘Traditional dancing is not an issue at all. Some of what passes for dancing today is definitely an issue... and I do not mean ballet or jazz, etc. Go to a high school dance and the concerns will be reasonable.’

    And:

    ‘Must be closet Wesleyans, anything 'fun' is a sin to them, dancing included’

    ‘Ballet is a beautiful, elegant, highly disciplined, and upscale art form that involves countless others in theaters including musicians (often full symphonies), stage crews, set and costume designers, choreographers, professional make up artists, pointe shoe makers, patrons and supportive families, many benefactors, and it often becomes central in social circles involved in behind the scenes efforts during galas, and even in political diplomacy. I don’t look at it through the lens of an uptight extremest, a prude, or with a dirty mind. The human body is beautiful. There are many famous Catholic ballet dancers from wonderful Catholic families. I personally know many of them.’

    From another friend:

    ‘I love the pious story of our Lady s presentation and how she danced for God in the Holy of Holies, much as David danced before the Ark. Michal criticized his 'immodesty ' so God closed her womb.’

    This is all rubbish. You cannot compare an immodest dance like ballet or Waltz to what David did. Your friends are also blinded by their inordinate love for vulgarity.

    If I were to post photos and videos of ballet to show how immodest it is it would get removed by the moderator.

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #21 on: February 01, 2026, 04:35:04 PM »
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  • Ballet is in the same category as art and classical literature, it’s a celebration of beauty and art. Therefore it is certainly not prohibited to Catholics unless it is an occasion of sin for a particular individual. The same reason as classical literature is taught to Catholics even though some of it contains immorality. Would you ban teaching Shakespeare? 🤣I got this from an SSPX priest.
    Occasions of impurity is different and must be avoided. The Saints tell us to fly from sins of impurity but to fight the other kinds of sins with it's virtue. Impurity you cannot fight as as soon as you touch it it stains you.

    Shakespeare is full of freemasonic rituals. The SSPX is quite a hit or miss organisation now days.

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #22 on: February 01, 2026, 04:37:42 PM »
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  • Well let us think about this. 

    Shakespeare was performed in its time by only male actors.  Young men played the part of women.  If Romeo  and Juliet were played that way now, that might be a very scandalous thing to see. People are very much influenced by what other people tell them to feel. 

    We need to recognize what is sinful in ourselves and act accordingly. 

    Should no alcohol be available, because some use it to sin gravely?  Worse sins come from the over consumption of alcohol than any one commits by watching a ballet.

    You know what is a problem, a person will say this saint said this about dancing therefore it is bad and then turn around and say don't listen to this saint on BoD because he made an error.  The Catholic Faith is consistent and constant.  We have to learn the difference between things everyone has to believe and the opinions shared by certain people that is not the same for everyone in the population (alcohol, arts, etc fall into this category)

    And before you decide that I don't have a clue you need to not assume my meanings, nothing I say is intended to go against God.  I am a fallible woman.  Ask questions to get better clarity.  I don't have time to dive deep in to the intellectualism of this.  I do know there are smart people out there that can and if we put aside our pride and hurt feelings we could certainly help each other become better Catholics.
    I considering your other comment being a trad for 20 years I am surprised you do not understand how dangerous impurity is. It is not like other sins.


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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #23 on: February 01, 2026, 04:40:59 PM »
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  • Great analogy about alcohol. You’re absolutely right. I do notice the women on this forum are far more sensible and logical than the men (with notable exceptions).
    Ridiculous and completely and utterly wrong. Sins of impurity must be avoided. Other sins like envy are fought with the opposite virtue. The same applies to alcohol because it's not a sin of impurity. So the comparison is not a great, it's not sensible nor consistent with Catholic teaching.

    Yours and Grays comments exposes the both of you, you do not know what you are talking about. So you should both keep quite and accept what the Saints teach instead of promoting terrible errors, because impurity is a terrible thing far greater than either of you realise.

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #24 on: February 01, 2026, 04:42:05 PM »
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  • The dancing is not the problem, so remove that aspect of the argument, it is the immodesty of the outfits and impure gestures that is the issue; if a dance contains immodesty or impure movements, then it is sinful, if it does not then it is fine. The Catholic Church has a minimum modesty standard, so compare whatever dance you want with the Catholic standard, and it either meets that standard or it does not. No amount of custom or excuse of "it is only art" can make something immoral to something moral.


    Some Directives on Christian Modesty – Our Lady of the Rosary Library
    The opinion which allows custom to dictate the question of modesty was refuted by Pope Pius XII in one short sentence:  “There always exists an absolute norm to be preserved.”

    Custom, of course, pays no attention to absolute norms; but, it is a follower of this false principle:  “… the majority cannot go wrong.”
    To say that “… modesty is a matter of custom” is just as wrong as to say that “… honesty is a matter of custom.”
    What about those who teach “What is customary does not affect us?”
    Pope Pius XII calls this application of an ancient principle to the virtue of modesty, “the most insidious of sophisms.”  He calls attention to the fact that some people use this sophism “…in order to brand as ‘old fashioned’ the rebellion of honest people against fashions they consider too bold.”
    The Pope’s pronouncements make no distinctions for various types of garments.  Pius XII states “…an unworthy, an indecent mode of dress has prevailed” without any distinction of place, “on beaches, in country resorts, on the streets, etc.”  (Aug. 29. 1954)
    I'm not sure what you mean by the dancing is not the problem when a dance is a series of movements...

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 05:57:04 AM »
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  • I'm not sure what you mean by the dancing is not the problem when a dance is a series of movements...
    So is walking and running, the problem has never been about "dance", it is only a problem if the movements contained in the dance are performed to excite lust or be sɛҳuąƖly suggestive or lower oneself to an animalistic nature, and /or if the outfits are immodest, or if the dance has an occult or blasphemous purpose. 


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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 09:46:36 AM »
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  • Song and dance after Mass @ OLMC, Boston, KY, pre-Pablo

    https://youtu.be/fcoxkqYU48U?si=mTNDKuLQPIj2ILg3


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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
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  • This is a picture of Ballet around the 1600s, France. (Yes, the collar on the woman is a little low, but that can be fixed with extra fabric.) Is this immoral? 

    No where did I say in my previous post that I accepted the ballet costumes of today.  I was arguing that the actual moves of ballet for the most part were not immoral (except some modern day spins, but everything today is focused on sensuality, it is hard to get away from it and I am not envious of the men who have to live in this age.)  Ballets like Cinderella and the Nutcracker are not meant to be sensual.  They are just fairy tails (yes some Catholics will object to them because of the magic that is portrayed in them, which I think is silly because they will not object to the magic in the Lord of the Rings, or The Chronicles of Narnia.)
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #28 on: Yesterday at 10:51:17 AM »
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  • Thank you Mr G for that input.

    That suffices as my response to the slithering of the ladies above.
    Hey I agree with Mr G as well.  Its the outfits that are immoral.
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine

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    Re: Is Ballet Immoral?
    « Reply #29 on: Yesterday at 04:46:12 PM »
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  • Hey I agree with Mr G as well.  Its the outfits that are immoral.
    Mr G also said
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    and impure gestures that is the issue
    Which is part of the dancing....