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I don't think we can really tell a person's intent.  I just think that we can leave out the personal assumptions like "I think we all know she won't listen. She hasn’t listened to hardly anything, on any topic, since she joined.  I hope she leaves.  She’s a horrible example to younger people on here." We don't truly know that.  And many of the regulars who constantly put down people when it is not necessary (is it ever really necessary to say the assumptions we think, out loud?) are also giving people a bad example.

Plant seeds and be patient.  That is my motto. And also realize none of us know the big picture of God's plan. (I keep trying to tell myself that, otherwise despair comes knocking at my back door.)

That wasn't much vinegar at me, so thank you.

When someone consistently acts the same way, you believe them.  Intent has nothing to do with it.  I go based on actions.  And most of her posts are uber-liberal.  

So back to the topic at hand.

Ballet is defined as "an artistic dance form performed to music using precise and highly formalized set steps and gestures. Classical ballet, which originated in Renaissance Italy and established its present form during the 19th century, is characterized by light, graceful, fluid movements and the use of pointe shoes."

So by that definition is ballet immoral?

If you add the costumes, it's use (privately among only women to establish gracefulness or as performance), and the type of people involved, then you have different ideas.

Here is what AI said about the topic pre vatican 2

Pre-Vatican II (prior to 1962–1965) Catholic, decency standards were characterized by a strict, authoritative, and traditionalist approach to behavior, modesty, and sacred art
. The Church emphasized separation from worldly, secular influences and enforced high standards for modesty in dress and conduct, particularly in sacred spaces.
Key aspects of pre-Vatican II decency included:

• Modesty and Dress Code: Strict adherence to modesty was expected, often enforced by pastors and sometimes including the wearing of head coverings (veils) for women in church, a practice that has seen a resurgence in some groups.
• Sacred Art and Decorum: The Church actively regulated art and statues to prevent the display of images that lacked "proper decency and decorum," were of poor artistic quality, or could lead to "dangerous error".
• Moral and Cultural Separation: The Church generally advocated for separation from modern secular culture, with guidance to avoid "worldly" amusements.
• Liturgical Reverence: The atmosphere in churches was generally one of silence, passivity, and deep reverence, with a strong focus on the "majesty and inaccessibility" of God.
• Role of Authority: Decency standards were upheld by a, in some respects, authoritarian structure, where parishioners followed the direction of their priests in matters of faith and morals.

While some remember this era as a high point of piety, others note that it was a time with hidden, sometimes "authoritarian," pressures. The focus was on compliance with established rules, including abstinence from meat on Fridays and rigorous attendance at Mass.

Yes, I know AI has a bias that old fashion is bad.


Just google women's dress effect on men and look at the studies that are out there.  It will be eye opening.

I had lots of conversations with my husband on this topic and he says it is very hard these days to keep the custody of the eyes, because women don't care.  All of the sɛҳuąƖ harassment training is focused on how a man should speak to a woman, but not on how the dress of a woman distracts the man.  We need to keep all these things in mind.

If we are truly being the best Catholic, then we should be sacrificial in our love for our neighbor.  It means that us women should care to cover up more, not because the men want us to, but because we are nurturing and we see that it is hard for them, so we do it as a sacrifice because we love God first.