[Matthew]

Why then didn't the USA demonstrate a Russian fake or fraud. Both competitors were in the same race watching and checking on each other as no other country or space team could do. And don't tell me each side was not certain as to what the other side was up to or achieving. Can you even imagine the consequences and shame on the fraudsters if either got the opportunity to expose the other as faking their claimed achievements. That would have been as good a victory as anything their space teams could have dreamed of. But neither happened most likely because each country knew the truth.

I would say they BOTH were faking, and also both were on the same side. America and Russia were controlled by the same people, even back then. Don't kid yourself.

Even though it was "the good old days" cherished by Baby Boomers everywhere. Sure, in a few limited ways American life hadn't yet descended to today's infernal depths. Men were more manly, etc. But that doesn't change the fact that (((they))) had a pretty good grip on all major countries back then. Recall that the Federal Reserve act was passed in 1913. After World War I, the world was mostly theirs. After World War 2, it was all over.

And women have been wearing pants since the 20's or maybe earlier. My wife's grandmother who died in her 90's wore polyester pants. You have to go back before THAT generation to get a generation of women who wore skirts/dresses all the time. And guess what? They aren't alive anymore. That's how messed up the world is, in many departments. When even your grandma and grandpa can't help you, to pull you back to the correct path, to reality. 

Today, Grandpa and Grandma are the MOST attached to the Moon Landings, etc. because they enjoy a sort of vicarious pride in what was "accomplished", because they were there to see it on TV, it was their generation, etc. Just like Grandma and Grandpa are the MOST attached to Vatican II, because they were the young people who welcomed it in and accepted it. They were the young hippies in the 70's. It's the younger priests who aren't invested in Vatican II, who are more likely to question it and even reject it.

Now that I think about it, I think no restoration CAN come until something happens to all the Baby Boomers. They are the defenders of all the lies and lying systems in place today. From the banking system, the insurance system, the 2-party political system, the media, academia, you name it. Younger people are rejecting all those things -- in droves. But they aren't yet the ones in power. The Boomers are reluctant to retire. Both of my parent-in-laws are pushing 70, and neither have retired.

[Pax Vobis]

I would say they BOTH were faking, and also both were on the same side. America and Russia were controlled by the same people, even back then. Don't kid yourself.

Exactly.

Now that I think about it, I think no restoration CAN come until something happens to all the Baby Boomers. They are the defenders of all the lies and lying systems in place today. From the banking system, the insurance system, the 2-party political system, the media, academia, you name it. Younger people are rejecting all those things -- in droves. But they aren't yet the ones in power.

Yes, and it's why the social/media/hollywood elite is trying to cater to the Millenials, so they can corrupt/control them for the "next step" in their plans for humanity.  But what's interesting is the current "fork in the road" for all of humanity:


a.  NWO/antichrist - our current social/religious/political order HAS to change in the next 5-20 years (and radically so) for the elites to usher in their demonic utopia.
b.  Church/Christ  - our current social/religious/political order HAS to change in the next 5-20 years (and radically so) for the Church to resurrect and bring back Christian order.

Either way, in the coming decades, our current system/ideals/philosophies/structure will change MASSIVELY.  Our Lady will win this war, the Church will resurrect, and we will have a Monarchy.  The only questions are, "How crazy will the next 5-10 years be?  How much collateral damage will occur before Our Lady wins?"

Let us have hope that God has not abandoned us, nor His Church.

Fr. Nectou, S.J. (18th century )
After these most frightful events, order will be restored everywhere. Justice will reign throughout the whole world, and the counterrevolution will be accomplished. The triumph of the Church will then be so complete that nothing like it has
ever been seen before. Those Chri stians who are fortunate enough to survive will thank God for preser ving them and giving them the privilege of beholding this glorious triumph of the Church.

[bodeens]

Today, Grandpa and Grandma are the MOST attached to the Moon Landings, etc. because they enjoy a sort of vicarious pride in what was "accomplished", because they were there to see it on TV, it was their generation, etc. Just like Grandma and Grandpa are the MOST attached to Vatican II, because they were the young people who welcomed it in and accepted it. They were the young hippies in the 70's. It's the younger priests who aren't invested in Vatican II, who are more likely to question it and even reject it.

Now that I think about it, I think no restoration CAN come until something happens to all the Baby Boomers. They are the defenders of all the lies and lying systems in place today. From the banking system, the insurance system, the 2-party political system, the media, academia, you name it. Younger people are rejecting all those things -- in droves. But they aren't yet the ones in power. The Boomers are reluctant to retire. Both of my parent-in-laws are pushing 70, and neither have retired.

This. Every generation has its struggles. Obviously Millennials were the first in the "LGBT" push but Boomers were the most psyopped (which set the stage for the LGBT push because of people being "accepting"), and they love it. It's funny you mention parents working because my Mom retired but actually went back to her old job and limited her hours so she rakes in maximum on social security PLUS a salary. Her friends are all doing this too, I don't get it at all. 

One of the most uncomfortable questions about Vietnam... Why did none of the "peace" types and hippies at Woodstock etc call the Gulf of Tonkin a fαℓѕє fℓαg? Everyone was so invested in stopping the war but no one paused to question the initial cause? You can only attribute this to programming (Gen X was the first generation to reject politics as a whole and be post-political rather than apolitical, which is why Gen Xers are so open to cօռspιʀαcιҽs but Boomers aren't). 

[cassini]

I would say they BOTH were faking, and also both were on the same side. America and Russia were controlled by the same people, even back then. Don't kid yourself.

Even though it was "the good old days" cherished by Baby Boomers everywhere. Sure, in a few limited ways American life hadn't yet descended to today's infernal depths. Men were more manly, etc. But that doesn't change the fact that (((they))) had a pretty good grip on all major countries back then. Recall that the Federal Reserve act was passed in 1913. After World War I, the world was mostly theirs. After World War 2, it was all over.

And women have been wearing pants since the 20's or maybe earlier. My wife's grandmother who died in her 90's wore polyester pants. You have to go back before THAT generation to get a generation of women who wore skirts/dresses all the time. And guess what? They aren't alive anymore. That's how messed up the world is, in many departments. When even your grandma and grandpa can't help you, to pull you back to the correct path, to reality.

Today, Grandpa and Grandma are the MOST attached to the Moon Landings, etc. because they enjoy a sort of vicarious pride in what was "accomplished", because they were there to see it on TV, it was their generation, etc. Just like Grandma and Grandpa are the MOST attached to Vatican II, because they were the young people who welcomed it in and accepted it. They were the young hippies in the 70's. It's the younger priests who aren't invested in Vatican II, who are more likely to question it and even reject it.

Now that I think about it, I think no restoration CAN come until something happens to all the Baby Boomers. They are the defenders of all the lies and lying systems in place today. From the banking system, the insurance system, the 2-party political system, the media, academia, you name it. Younger people are rejecting all those things -- in droves. But they aren't yet the ones in power. The Boomers are reluctant to retire. Both of my parent-in-laws are pushing 70, and neither have retired.

As a grandad myself now Matthew I can agree with certain points you make above. Before that however, let me say I lived in better times in the 50s to 80s here in Ireland when Catholicism reigned and we were unaware of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr that had begun. Yes, for us, getting men into space and on to the moon were seen as as a great progress in human achievements, just like the development of motor-mowers for cutting grass and followed the space story with great interest. My childhood was dominated by cowboy movies wherein the white cowboys were all the good guys and the indians were the baddies. That ended when a different film told the truth that the bad guys were the white cowboys, many of whom had fled Ireland's persecution by the English, joined the American army, only to kill and steal the land from the Indians. But that was in the past wasn't it, and things were different in the 1960s wern't they?

The trend today is to know that everything else is a lie and conspiracy and to believe anything that happens today is true at face value is a very naive position to hold. My sons are better up to date than i am, and do tell me lots that I am unaware is going on. As an adult, when I began to study the history of the Galileo case, I was shocked to find even popes were involved in bringing about the greatest conspiracy lie in human history, that Mother Church got its Bible reading wrong for 17 centuries. After that one has to accept that if Satan could convince the world heliocentrism is true then anything could be a lie. At my age now, peace of mind is essential, so ignorance is bliss. Thank God, I have God Who knows everything, every lie that exists today. So far He has not exposed them all but until He does, I pray he protects me from them. Really, whether men got to the moon or not, is really neither here nor there. Yes it makes a good subject to debate but let us not think it is important  in our quest to get to Heaven.   

[Dankward]

FACT: The ISS is not much bigger than a 747 jet.
FACT: A 747 is tiny enough at cruising altitude.
FACT: The ISS is supposed to be 50 times higher in the sky.

According to official figures, one should NOT be able to see the ISS. The idea that we can see it from earth is a HUGE joke, which proves that most people don't think, and don't want to know the truth. Just like most everyone wears masks, even though we didn't wear them before 2019 and they in fact do nothing. They just do what they're told, believe what they're told.

Except for some who are awake.

While the ISS is a bit bigger than a Boeing 747, it's well in the same order of magnitude, so that's a fair comparison. So we agree on the facts.

Now I'm not sure where you get your official figures from. I looked at the official page of the ISS on wikipedia and it says right in the second paragraph:

It is the largest artificial object in space and the largest satellite in low Earth orbit, regularly visible to the naked eye from Earth's surface.^[15][16]

Wikipedia being an encyclopedia, they cite sources for that. There are also tons of amateur videos showing that you can see the ISS zooming by. This is usually done at night when the ISS is still sunlit, because otherwise it of course couldn't be seen with the naked eye because there's no contrast to see it against. That's why it's hard to see airliners at day, but at night you can see them easily from their blinking beacons (if they aren't chemtrails ).

But yes, you can indeed see the ISS:

[Dankward]

If we can find ONE ITEM of proof that NASA faked anything in space, we can logically conclude that the WHOLE THING IS FAKE.

(I've seen many dozen such proofs)

Just like a man who is caught in ONE LIE is a LIAR and you can no longer trust him. Ditto for someone caught stealing. You can't trust him with money anymore.

No, that's not a logical conclusion. Even if you could conclusively prove that the moon landings are fake, that wouldn't prove that the ISS or satellites or Earth photos are fake.

Logically? I'd say ALL OF IT. It's always cheaper to film something in a desert somewhere, than to go into Low Earth Orbit, much less the Moon and do the same thing. If they are "up for a lie" -- willing to lie to the public -- then they're going to do it a lot more than once!

Well there's the counter argument that it was much harder to fake the complete thing than to "simply" do it: https://space.stackexchange.com/a/33736
Not saying that this is proof for the landings.

Faking the landings would be an unimaginable task, with the amount of information we have from the flights, and the number of people that would have to be involved to fake this massive, publicly visible operation.

But this may be a weak argument. The wikileaks video is quite suspicious too, yes.

[Dankward]

Is this fake space footage? This was Explorer 6 in 1959.

They didn't have CGI in 1959, nor could they fake zero gravity, nor did they know what Earth looked like from higher up beyond the atmosphere.

[Anne Evergreen]

Not really following this thread or topic too much right now, but just thought I would post this here. It seems to fit the theme. My apologies if someone has already posted it.


Japanese space tourists safely return to Earth (msn.com)

Also, many people may already be aware of the Heaven's Above App for tracking satellites, the ISS, etc. 

I have used it a few times to help when the weather here in our part of Canada was clear enough to see various interesting astronomy things in the last couple of years, stars, blood moon, blue moon, etc., (Christmas Star--missed that one, but saw the pictures from locals). :-)

[bodeens]

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[color=var(--text-color)]NASA has reported that a meteoroid hit on the James Webb Space Telescope has caused "significant uncorrectable" damage to one of the panels it uses to stare into deep space.[/color]
[color=var(--text-color)]The orbiting observatory was launched last December and recently released [color=var(--link-color)]a full set of new observations[/color][/b], including what is said to be the "deepest" and most detailed picture of the cosmos to date.[/size][/color]

[color=var(--text-color)]Like any spacecraft, it has encountered micrometeoroids and its sensors have detected six deformations on the telescope's primary mirror panels that have been attributed to strikes.[/color]
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[color=var(--text-color)]However one strike - which occurred between 22 and 24 May - was caused by a larger micrometeoroid and resulted in "significant uncorrectable change" to segment C3 according to the docuмent.[/color]
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[Ladislaus]

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Assuming this thing even exists (looks to a lot of people that they "touched up" some prior images from "Hubble"), they spent $10 billion on this thing and didn't think to design in some protection against something that would be next-to-inevitable, collision from small debris in space?

Then they said that due to the damage they'll have to "algorithmically enhance" the images (for when they get caught altering / fabricating images?).

I saw someone on an astronomy forum who claims to be trained (not an FE or geocentrist or anything) saying that the images must be fake because there are two different types of stars in the image (with different numbers of "points").  He was saying that due to how lenses work, there's no way the same lense can pick up stars with different numbers of points on them.  I don't know enough about the subject to comment, but he seemed really upset that the images were fake because he had been looking forward to seeing them.  He appeared to be implying that the telescope got destroyed somehow or was rendered non-functional, so NASA produced fake images as a coverup for the failure.  Imagine what a huge PR nightmare it would have been if the thing just blew up shortly after launch.

[St Giles]

I remember noticing something similar, and the picture of deeps space galaxies they showed didn't seem any deeper in space than what came from the Hubble, which seems to get its pictured highly enhanced beyond its true clarity.

[bodeens]

One interesting thing about the Hubble retouches that are supposedly from the JWST is the"texture" that appears on starbursts... Look at higher res versions? Potentially the lens aberration from the Hubble? Very curious, if that picture was taken pre-SM1 then there is a serious issue with the JWST narrative.

If you look at pre-SM1 pictures there is a "texture" on the photos due to the abberation.

[DigitalLogos]

Globebusters shared a video of a Tiktok FEarther creating an image very similar to the James Webb image with a photo editor

https://www.bitchute.com/video/3euwidcuX2jz/

[roscoe]

This. Every generation has its struggles. Obviously Millennials were the first in the "LGBT" push but Boomers were the most psyopped (which set the stage for the LGBT push because of people being "accepting"), and they love it. It's funny you mention parents working because my Mom retired but actually went back to her old job and limited her hours so she rakes in maximum on social security PLUS a salary. Her friends are all doing this too, I don't get it at all.

One of the most uncomfortable questions about Vietnam... Why did none of the "peace" types and hippies at Woodstock etc call the Gulf of Tonkin a fαℓѕє fℓαg? Everyone was so invested in stopping the war but no one paused to question the initial cause? You can only attribute this to programming (Gen X was the first generation to reject politics as a whole and be post-political rather than apolitical, which is why Gen Xers are so open to cօռspιʀαcιҽs but Boomers aren't).

Very sorry but Gulf Of Tonkin alleged 'incident' actually DID happen. See W Carroll--70 Years Of Communist Revolution...

And BTW-- there NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN A VN War if JFK hadn't screwed it up by throwing Pres Diem( another Catholic for God's sake) under the bus. Diem DID NOT WANT American combat troops. The end result is assassination of Diem-- who is only one who Ho knew he could not beat.

[Tradman]

I would say they BOTH were faking, and also both were on the same side. America and Russia were controlled by the same people, even back then. Don't kid yourself.

Yep.  The Antarctic Treaty supports the notion that "opposing" governments been in this thing for the long haul.