[Tradman]

No, that's not a logical conclusion. Even if you could conclusively prove that the moon landings are fake, that wouldn't prove that the ISS or satellites or Earth photos are fake.

There's an old saying, "What goes up, must come down." Unless of course, it's powered.  The ISS may exist, but it is a powered craft, not a satellite hanging "in orbit".  Powered makes more sense because we know they lie. Satellites may exist, but they aren't "in orbit" either.  Why? Because there are many proofs satellites are either powered craft or outfitted balloons. Another consideration is that towers are everywhere down on earth (even hidden as fake trees) because communication waves are short and need boosting.  Why send outrageously expensive equipment up to do a job when everything is already down here? Cross Atlantic cables lie on the bottom of the ocean between the US and Europe for super fast communications.  Why go up? The final question raised is why don't communications work everywhere if tons of satellites triangulate to cover the earth?  I have a two mile dead zone, under a wide open sky, near my house, where my radio doesn't work, streaming cuts out and my phone is dead. Why?     

[Ladislaus]

No, proving the moon landings fake doesn't prove ISS fake.  But it does thoroughly discredit NASA that we can't simply take them for their word.

Nevertheless, independent of the purported moon lands, there's probably an hour long compilation of "bloopers" where the ISS footage was exposed as fake.  Sure, this doesn't "prove" that it's ALL fake, but at that point, you can't believe anything they tell us.

This disqualifies what by far WOULD be the most conclusive evidence for a globe earth, pictures and video from space.

Dr. Sungenis conceded this point to the Flat Earthers, that there have been obvious hoaxes, and he agrees with the (legal) principle of Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus ... false in one thing, false in all things.  If a witness has been exposed for even a single lie, he becomes completely discredited, and none of his remaining testimony can be considered credible for evidentiary purposes.

[bodeens]

Very sorry but Gulf Of Tonkin alleged 'incident' actually DID happen. See W Carroll--70 Years Of Communist Revolution...

Evidence that the incident was real?

[Miser Peccator]

[roscoe]

Evidence that the incident was real?

There is chapter in the book about Gulf Of Tonkin alleged 'incident'... Also re: assassination of Diem..

[bodeens]

There is chapter in the book about Gulf Of Tonkin alleged 'incident'... Also re: assassination of Diem..

Yeah, I get there is a chapter on it, what is the argument presented? I don't own the book so I need the position articulated to me.

[Ladislaus]

roscoe, put down the MJ already.  Declassified docuмents and phone calls prove that that Gulf of Tonkin never happened.  There had been an earlier incident in the Gulf, but the one that was used to get the Congressional approval for the Vietnam war never happened

https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2008/february/truth-about-tonkin#:~:text=These%20new%20docuмents%20and%20tapes,the%20evidence%20and%20mislead%20Congress.

These new docuмents and tapes reveal what historians could not prove: There was not a second attack on U.S. Navy ships in the Tonkin Gulf in early August 1964. Furthermore, the evidence suggests a disturbing and deliberate attempt by Secretary of Defense McNamara to distort the evidence and mislead Congress.

And, yes, Rampolla was a Mason, and the earth is stationary while other things move around it.

[bodeens]

National Propaganda Radio clip in which reporter says 2025 will be "the first" manned lunar landing:

https://noagendaassets.com/enc/1658440718.332_artemismoontrip2kickernpr.mp3
15 second clip

[bodeens]

National Propaganda Radio clip in which reporter says 2025 will be "the first" manned lunar landing:

https://noagendaassets.com/enc/1658440718.332_artemismoontrip2kickernpr.mp3
15 second clip

Note that this is a NASA spokewoman, a NASA employee. 

[roscoe]

roscoe, put down the MJ already.  Declassified docuмents and phone calls prove that that Gulf of Tonkin never happened.  There had been an earlier incident in the Gulf, but the one that was used to get the Congressional approval for the Vietnam war never happened

https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2008/february/truth-about-tonkin#:~:text=These%20new%20docuмents%20and%20tapes,the%20evidence%20and%20mislead%20Congress.

And, yes, Rampolla was a Mason, and the earth is stationary while other things move around it.

[bodeens]

The burden of proof is on you, not on us. Your theory is novel, not ours.

[roscoe]

[bodeens]

Scroll around to different timestamps, especially 24 seconds in lol

[Tradman]

Scroll around to different timestamps, especially 24 seconds in lol

Somebody forgot to man the propaganda station in China. If this wasn't about wasting billions of dollars while people are in need of food and water and shelter, this joke would be funny.  

[Ladislaus]

Scroll around to different timestamps, especially 24 seconds in lol

12:47 is also interesting.