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Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
« Reply #90 on: March 06, 2018, 03:11:20 AM »
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  • Poche, you don't seem to get it.


    https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-the-Talmud-and-the-Torah
    What is the difference between the Talmud and the Torah?

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    Originally Answered: What is the difference between Torah and Talmud?

    The Torah is the Hebrew Bible, and while some people think of just the "Five Books of Moses" Torah refers to all of the Hebrew Bible, including such books as Joshua, Psalms, Book of Ruth, etc.  The first five books are written in the scroll that is read in the synagogue every week.  Other books of the Torah may also be written in their own individual scrolls.  But all of them are available in book form as well.

    The first five books of Torah were originally memorized orally, and took written form over time, http://www.britannica.com/topic/... in the period from 1200 to 100 BCE.  Well before the Talmud took shape.




    The Talmud is the compilation of the historic rabbis "discussing" or "debating" what the Torah means.  Some of the tractates come to conclusions, but many leave the debate open ended.  This is part of why Jews can continue to study Torah and Talmud, and continue to debate meanings, in all times and cultural changes.  The format of the Talmud is always in book form, The entire Talmud consists of 63 tractates, and in standard print is over 6,200 pages long.

    The Talmud has two components: the Mishnah (Hebrew: משנה, c. 200 CE), which is a written compendium of Rabbinic Judaism's Oral Torah (Talmud translates literally as "instruction" in Hebrew); and the Gemara (c. 500 CE), an attempt at clarification of the Mishnah and related writings that often ventures onto other subjects and expounds broadly on the Hebrew Bible. In the middle of the page is the text that is being discussed, and the sections around the central text, as well as in the margins, are the commentaries that sometimes build upon each other, and were written at very different times in history, but took this form some time less than a thousand years ago.  The oldest full manuscript of the Talmud, known as the Munich Talmud dates from 1342 and is available online



    The actual way various passages of each of these texts were created will probably be debated for all time.  But the major difference between them is that tradition tells us G-d gave us Torah, and rabbis gave us Talmud.

    However, Jews hold The Talmud to have more esteem/respect/authority, than they do The Torah.  
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    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #91 on: March 06, 2018, 07:10:45 PM »
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  • However, Jews hold The Talmud to have more esteem/respect/authority, than they do The Torah.  
    Yes! Try telling that that Poche. He pretends he doesn't understand that the two are in opposition to each other - the Torah the word of God, the Talmud that of the devil. Poche is just here to stir the pot.


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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #92 on: March 06, 2018, 07:48:22 PM »
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  • Who said it wasn't? I can't believe you are really as thick as two short planks!
    Maybe poche was hit upside his thick skull with two short planks... or maybe, he NEEDS to be hit upside his thick skull with two short planks!

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
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  • Satanic Verses Of The Jewish Talmud
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    SATANIC VERSES OF THE JEWISH TALMUD
    By Brother Nathanael Kapner, Copyright 2008-2011

    Articles May Be Reproduced Only With Authorship of Br Nathanael Kapner
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    [color=0033FF]Or Send Your Contribution To:
    [/b]
    [color=FF0000]Brother Nathanael Kapner; PO Box 547; Priest River ID 83856[/color]
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    Sources: The Talmud, Soncino Press, Hebrew-English; The Truth About The Talmud, Michael Hoffman HereJewish History-Jewish Religion, Israel ShahakHereThe Plot Against Christianity, Elizabeth DillingHere
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    [color=660033]THE JEWISH TALMUD 
    [/b]is “Holy Writ” for the Jews.
    [/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/color][/font][/size]

    The Talmud supercedes the Old Testament in authority for the Jews. And the Talmud is the most racist, hate-mongering , blasphemous book the world has ever known.
    The Talmud was written in Hebrewbetween the 3rd & 6th Centuries as a codification of the so-called Oral Law that the Jewish rabbis claim was handed down from Moses.
    But the Messiah Jesus censored the “Oral Law” when He said, “By the traditions of your elders you make void the Word of God.” (St Matthew 15).
    The English translation of the Talmud has been watered down so as to conceal from the Gentiles the “satanic verses” contained in the original Hebrew.
    The “Satanic Verses” of the Talmud can be classified into 3 categories:
    [color=00CC00]1)[/color] Jewish Supremacy.
    [color=00CC00]2)[/color] Hatred Towards The “Goys” (Gentiles).
    [color=00CC00]3)[/color] Blasphemies Against Jesus Christ, The Virgin Mary, & All Christians.


    [color=FF0000]SATANIC VERSES OF THE TALMUD’S
    “JEWISH SUPREMACY”
    [/color]

    [color=9900FF]*[/color] “If a ‘goy’ (Gentile) hits a Jew he must be killed.” (Sanhedrin 58b)
    [color=9900FF]*[/color] “If a Jew finds an object lost by a ‘goy’ it does not have to be returned.” (Baba Mezia 24a)
    [color=9900FF]*[/color] “If a Jew murders a ‘goy’ there will be no death penalty.” (Sanhedrin 57a)
    [color=9900FF]*[/color] What a Jew steals from a ‘goy’ he may keep.” (Sanhedrin 57a)
    [color=9900FF]*[/color] “Jews may use subterfuges to circumvent a ‘goy.’” (Baba Kamma 113a)
    [color=9900FF]*[/color] “All children of the ‘goyim’ (Gentiles) are animals.” (Yebamoth 98a)
    [color=9900FF]*[/color] “Girls born of the ‘goyim’ are in a state of ‘niddah’ (menstrual uncleanness!) from birth.” (Abodah Zarah 36b)


    [color=FF0000]SATANIC VERSES OF THE TALMUD’S
    HATRED TOWARDS THE GENTILES
    [/color]

    [color=00CC00]*[/color] “The ‘goyim’ are not humans. They are beasts.” (Baba Mezia 114b)
    [color=00CC00]*[/color] “If you eat with a ‘goy’ it is the same as eating with a dog.” (Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b)
    [color=00CC00]*[/color] “Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” (Soferim 15)
    [color=00CC00]*[/color] “Sexual intercourse between the ‘goyim’ is like intercourse between animals.” (Sanhedrin 74b)
    [color=00CC00]*[/color] “When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice.” (Shulkan Arukh, Yoreh De ‘ah, 158, Hebrew Edition only)


    [color=FF0000]SATANIC VERSES OF THE TALMUD’S
    BLASPHEMIES AGAINST JESUS CHRIST, THE VIRGIN MARY,
    & ALL CHRISTIANS
    [/color]

    [color=0000CC]*[/color] “‘Yashu’ (derogatory for ‘Jesus’) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.” (Gittin 57a)
    [’Yashu’ is an acronym for the Jewish curse, ‘May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore.’]
    [color=0000CC]*[/color] Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick.” (Sanhedrin 107b)
    [color=0000CC]*[/color] “Yashu (Jesus) was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness and refused to repent.” (Sotah 47a)
    [color=0000CC]*[/color] “Miriam the hairdresser had sex with many men.” (Shabbath 104b, Hebrew Edition only)
    [color=0000CC]*[/color] “She who was the descendant of princes and governors (the virgin Mary) played the harlot with carpenters.” (Sanhedrin 106a)
    [color=0000CC]*[/color] “Christians who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.” (Rosh Hashanah 17a)



    [color=FF6600]JUDAISM’S REIGN OF GLAMOUR IS COMING TO AN END![/color]

    [color=009900]I WAS RAISED AS A JEW.[/color]Christendom has fawned all over the Jews for the last 60 years. But all of this is now coming to an end.
    Christians are waking up to the fact that Judaism and the Jews are haters of Jesus Christ, Christianity, and fervent Christians who preach the Gospel.

    Do you wish to get a Talmudic Jew raving mad?

    [color=FF0000]Simply Tell That Jew That If He Does Not Accept Jesus Christ As His Lord & Saviour
    He Is Going To Suffer In Hell![/color]

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #94 on: March 08, 2018, 02:08:06 PM »
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    Talmud Articles, Judaism Articles, Why I Left Judaism, Satanic Verses Of The Jewish Talmud, Jews Are NOT The "Chosen People", Judaism's Strange Gods


    SATANIC VERSES OF THE JEWISH TALMUD
    By Brother Nathanael Kapner, Copyright 2008-2011

    Articles May Be Reproduced Only With Authorship of Br Nathanael Kapner
    & Link To Real Jew News (SM)


    Please Help Support This Site!



    Or Send Your Contribution To:
    Brother Nathanael Kapner; PO Box 547; Priest River ID 83856
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    Sources: The Talmud, Soncino Press, Hebrew-English; The Truth About The Talmud, Michael Hoffman Here; Jewish History-Jewish Religion, Israel ShahakHere; The Plot Against Christianity, Elizabeth DillingHere

    THE JEWISH TALMUD is “Holy Writ” for the Jews.


    The Talmud supercedes the Old Testament in authority for the Jews. And the Talmud is the most racist, hate-mongering , blasphemous book the world has ever known.
    The Talmud was written in Hebrewbetween the 3rd & 6th Centuries as a codification of the so-called Oral Law that the Jewish rabbis claim was handed down from Moses.
    But the Messiah Jesus censored the “Oral Law” when He said, “By the traditions of your elders you make void the Word of God.” (St Matthew 15).
    The English translation of the Talmud has been watered down so as to conceal from the Gentiles the “satanic verses” contained in the original Hebrew.
    The “Satanic Verses” of the Talmud can be classified into 3 categories:
    1) Jewish Supremacy.
    2) Hatred Towards The “Goys” (Gentiles).
    3) Blasphemies Against Jesus Christ, The Virgin Mary, & All Christians.


    SATANIC VERSES OF THE TALMUD’S
    “JEWISH SUPREMACY”

    * “If a ‘goy’ (Gentile) hits a Jew he must be killed.” (Sanhedrin 58b)
    * “If a Jew finds an object lost by a ‘goy’ it does not have to be returned.” (Baba Mezia 24a)
    * “If a Jew murders a ‘goy’ there will be no death penalty.” (Sanhedrin 57a)
    * What a Jew steals from a ‘goy’ he may keep.” (Sanhedrin 57a)
    * “Jews may use subterfuges to circumvent a ‘goy.’” (Baba Kamma 113a)
    * “All children of the ‘goyim’ (Gentiles) are animals.” (Yebamoth 98a)
    * “Girls born of the ‘goyim’ are in a state of ‘niddah’ (menstrual uncleanness!) from birth.” (Abodah Zarah 36b)


    SATANIC VERSES OF THE TALMUD’S
    HATRED TOWARDS THE GENTILES

    * “The ‘goyim’ are not humans. They are beasts.” (Baba Mezia 114b)
    * “If you eat with a ‘goy’ it is the same as eating with a dog.” (Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b)
    * “Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” (Soferim 15)
    * “Sexual intercourse between the ‘goyim’ is like intercourse between animals.” (Sanhedrin 74b)
    * “When it comes to a Gentile in peace times, one may harm him indirectly, for instance, by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice.” (Shulkan Arukh, Yoreh De ‘ah, 158, Hebrew Edition only)


    SATANIC VERSES OF THE TALMUD’S
    BLASPHEMIES AGAINST JESUS CHRIST, THE VIRGIN MARY,
    & ALL CHRISTIANS

    * “‘Yashu’ (derogatory for ‘Jesus’) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.” (Gittin 57a)
    [’Yashu’ is an acronym for the Jewish curse, ‘May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore.’]
    * Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick.” (Sanhedrin 107b)
    * “Yashu (Jesus) was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness and refused to repent.” (Sotah 47a)
    * “Miriam the hairdresser had sex with many men.” (Shabbath 104b, Hebrew Edition only)
    * “She who was the descendant of princes and governors (the virgin Mary) played the harlot with carpenters.” (Sanhedrin 106a)
    * “Christians who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.” (Rosh Hashanah 17a)



    JUDAISM’S REIGN OF GLAMOUR IS COMING TO AN END!

    I WAS RAISED AS A JEW.Christendom has fawned all over the Jews for the last 60 years. But all of this is now coming to an end.
    Christians are waking up to the fact that Judaism and the Jews are haters of Jesus Christ, Christianity, and fervent Christians who preach the Gospel.

    Do you wish to get a Talmudic Jew raving mad?

    Simply Tell That Jew That If He Does Not Accept Jesus Christ As His Lord & Saviour
    He Is Going To Suffer In Hell!
    that's just one ignoramus speaking
    Not all Jews believe the same thing anymore than all Catholics or any other group


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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #95 on: March 09, 2018, 02:28:10 AM »
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  • Yes! Try telling that that Poche. He pretends he doesn't understand that the two are in opposition to each other - the Torah the word of God, the Talmud that of the devil. Poche is just here to stir the pot.
    If the Torah is the Word of God and the Talmud is the opinions of various rabbis then it appears to me that the Torah would be more the authority than the Talmud.

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
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  • If the Torah is the Word of God and the Talmud is the opinions of various rabbis then it appears to me that the Torah would be more the authority than the Talmud.
    Yes, you are right. That is correct. But the Jews do not give more authority to the Torah. They give more authority to the Talmud.
    .
      
    The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."  http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html
    . 
    You should read “The Talmud Unmasked, The Secret Rabbinical Teaching Concerning Christians,” by Rev. I. B. Pranaitis, Roman Catholic Priest; Master of Theology and Professor of the Hebrew Language at the Imperial Ecclesiastical Academy of the Roman Catholic Church in Old St. Petersburg.
    [Imprimatur: 1892] http://www.talmudunmasked.com/
     
    Also you should take seriously what Jesus has to say about the Pharisees and their traditions, which in His time was the oral Talmud. (There was no hard copy till around the time the Holy Bible was canonised.) Yes, tSt Paul was one of them, until he converted and repented. The Talmud is the book of the Pharisees, called in scripture the traditions of men.
     
    If you read the 23rd Chapter of St Matthew’s Gospel you will hear what Jesus Himself says about the traditions of the Pharisees, as illustrated in the Talmud.
     
    “Christ admonishes the people to follow the good doctrine, not the bad example of the scribes and Pharisees. He warns his disciples not to imitate their ambition and denounces divers woes against them for their hypocrisy and blindness.
     
    [1] Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples, [2] Saying: The scribes and the Pharisees have sitten on the chair of Moses. [3] All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not; for they say, and do not. [4] For they bind heavy and insupportable burdens, and lay them on men's shoulders; but with a finger of their own they will not move them. [5] And all their works they do for to be seen of men. For they make their phylacteries broad, and enlarge their fringes.
     
    [6] And they love the first places at feasts, and the first chairs in the synagogues, [7] And salutations in the market place, and to be called by men, Rabbi. [8] But be not you called Rabbi. For one is your master; and all you are brethren. [9] And call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven. [10] Neither be ye called masters; for one is your master, Christ. [11] He that is the greatest among you shall be your servant. [12] And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be humbled: and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
     
    [13] But woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men, for you yourselves do not enter in; and those that are going in, you suffer not to enter. [14] Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites: because you devour the houses of widows, praying long prayers. For this you shall receive the greater judgment. [15] Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you go round about the sea and the land to make one proselyte; and when he is made, you make him the child of hell twofold more than yourselves.
     
    [16] Woe to you blind guides, that say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but he that shall swear by the gold of the temple, is a debtor. [17] Ye foolish and blind; for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? [18] And whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gift that is upon it, is a debtor. [19] Ye blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? [20] He therefore that sweareth by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things that are upon it:
     
    [21] And whosoever shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth in it: [22] And he that sweareth by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon. [23] Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you tithe mint, and anise, and cummin, and have left the weightier things of the law; judgment, and mercy, and faith. These things you ought to have done, and not to leave those undone. [24] Blind guides, who strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel. [25] Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you make clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but within you are full of rapine and uncleanness.
     
    [26] Thou blind Pharisee, first make clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, that the outside may become clean. [27] Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you are like to whited sepulchres, which outwardly appear to men beautiful, but within are full of dead men's bones, and of all filthiness. [28] So you also outwardly indeed appear to men just; but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. [29] Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; that build the sepulchres of the prophets, and adorn the monuments of the just, [30] And say: If we had been in the days of our Fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
     
    [31] Wherefore you are witnesses against yourselves, that you are the sons of them that killed the prophets. [32] Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. [33] You serpents, generation of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of hell? [34] Therefore behold I send to you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them you will put to death and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city: [35] That upon you may come all the just blood that hath been shed upon the earth, from the blood of Abel the just, even unto the blood of Zacharias the son of Barachias, whom you killed between the temple and the altar.
     
    [36] Amen I say to you, all these things shall come upon this generation. [37] Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered together thy children, as the hen doth gather her chickens under her wings, and thou wouldest not? [38] Behold, your house shall be left to you, desolate. [39] For I say to you, you shall not see me henceforth till you say: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
     
     

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #97 on: March 09, 2018, 04:07:02 AM »
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  • Yes, you are right. That is correct. But the Jews do not give more authority to the Torah. They give more authority to the Talmud.
    .
     
    The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."  http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html
    .
    You should read “The Talmud Unmasked, The Secret Rabbinical Teaching Concerning Christians,” by Rev. I. B. Pranaitis, Roman Catholic Priest; Master of Theology and Professor of the Hebrew Language at the Imperial Ecclesiastical Academy of the Roman Catholic Church in Old St. Petersburg.
    [Imprimatur: 1892] http://www.talmudunmasked.com/
     
    Also you should take seriously what Jesus has to say about the Pharisees and their traditions, which in His time was the oral Talmud. (There was no hard copy till around the time the Holy Bible was canonised.) Yes, tSt Paul was one of them, until he converted and repented. The Talmud is the book of the Pharisees, called in scripture the traditions of men.
     
    If you read the 23rd Chapter of St Matthew’s Gospel you will hear what Jesus Himself says about the traditions of the Pharisees, as illustrated in the Talmud.
     
    “Christ admonishes the people to follow the good doctrine, not the bad example of the scribes and Pharisees. He warns his disciples not to imitate their ambition and denounces divers woes against them for their hypocrisy and blindness.
     
    [1] Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples, [2] Saying: The scribes and the Pharisees have sitten on the chair of Moses. [3] All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not; for they say, and do not. [4] For they bind heavy and insupportable burdens, and lay them on men's shoulders; but with a finger of their own they will not move them. [5] And all their works they do for to be seen of men. For they make their phylacteries broad, and enlarge their fringes.
     
    [6] And they love the first places at feasts, and the first chairs in the synagogues, [7] And salutations in the market place, and to be called by men, Rabbi. [8] But be not you called Rabbi. For one is your master; and all you are brethren. [9] And call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven. [10] Neither be ye called masters; for one is your master, Christ. [11] He that is the greatest among you shall be your servant. [12] And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be humbled: and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
     
    [13] But woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men, for you yourselves do not enter in; and those that are going in, you suffer not to enter. [14] Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites: because you devour the houses of widows, praying long prayers. For this you shall receive the greater judgment. [15] Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you go round about the sea and the land to make one proselyte; and when he is made, you make him the child of hell twofold more than yourselves.
     
    [16] Woe to you blind guides, that say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but he that shall swear by the gold of the temple, is a debtor. [17] Ye foolish and blind; for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? [18] And whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gift that is upon it, is a debtor. [19] Ye blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? [20] He therefore that sweareth by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things that are upon it:
     
    [21] And whosoever shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth in it: [22] And he that sweareth by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon. [23] Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you tithe mint, and anise, and cummin, and have left the weightier things of the law; judgment, and mercy, and faith. These things you ought to have done, and not to leave those undone. [24] Blind guides, who strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel. [25] Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you make clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but within you are full of rapine and uncleanness.
     
    [26] Thou blind Pharisee, first make clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, that the outside may become clean. [27] Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you are like to whited sepulchres, which outwardly appear to men beautiful, but within are full of dead men's bones, and of all filthiness. [28] So you also outwardly indeed appear to men just; but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. [29] Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; that build the sepulchres of the prophets, and adorn the monuments of the just, [30] And say: If we had been in the days of our Fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
     
    [31] Wherefore you are witnesses against yourselves, that you are the sons of them that killed the prophets. [32] Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. [33] You serpents, generation of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of hell? [34] Therefore behold I send to you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them you will put to death and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city: [35] That upon you may come all the just blood that hath been shed upon the earth, from the blood of Abel the just, even unto the blood of Zacharias the son of Barachias, whom you killed between the temple and the altar.
     
    [36] Amen I say to you, all these things shall come upon this generation. [37] Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered together thy children, as the hen doth gather her chickens under her wings, and thou wouldest not? [38] Behold, your house shall be left to you, desolate. [39] For I say to you, you shall not see me henceforth till you say: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
     
     
    I think I would rather focus on the Gospels.


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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #98 on: March 10, 2018, 12:18:13 AM »
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  • that's just one ignoramus speaking
    Not all Jews believe the same thing anymore than all Catholics or any other group
    That so called "ignoramus" is a convert from Judaism to Christianity.  So, I think he might know a little bit more about it, than you do.  

    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #99 on: March 10, 2018, 12:24:02 AM »
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  • He has One Hundred and Thirty Two Thousand Subscribers on YouTube by the way.  How many have you got?
    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #100 on: March 10, 2018, 12:28:07 AM »
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  • I think I would rather focus on the Gospels.
    "It seems like many Jews like to falsely blame Catholics for being anti-Semetic (ie.. books such as "Hitler's Pope" and "Popes against the Jews") yet the Jewish Talmud has an extremely derogatory and ungodly attitude towards Christians. The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book and its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament. While Christians follow the Ten Commandments, the Jews follow the 613 Commandments of the Talmud. Eight Catholic Popes condemned the Talmud. Martin Luther ordered it burned. Pope Clement VIII declared: "The impious Talmudic, Cabalistic and other wicked books of the Jews are hereby entirely condemned and they must always remain condemned and prohibited and this law must be perpetually observed". Why was the Talmud the focus of so much condemnation? Because the Talmud is even more anti-Christian than the anti-Semitism that Catholics are constantly accused of (falsely I might add)? The Talmud treats Gentiles (the "Goyim") as being no better than animals. Let me site a few quotes from the various books of the Talmud:"
    http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage_print.asp?number=338247&language=en
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    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."


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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #101 on: March 10, 2018, 12:44:29 AM »
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  • .
    Furthermore, there are at least two (maybe 3) versions of the Talmud.
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    If you go to your public library and look for their copy of the Talmud, a set of books like an encyclopedia, what you will find is the version for public view, and it might not contain the most egregious language that blasphemes Our Lord and His Church.
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    The most severe version is kept under wraps and only a select few are permitted to read it. 
    The secrecy they keep about their horrific texts is quite similar to the secrecy surrounding Freemasonic literature.
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    Some say that Freemasonry is an outgrowth of Talmudic Judaism.
    You can see for yourself that anyone going to seek acceptance as a first level Mason is screened on this point.
    The Mason hearing your interview tells you that there is nothing Jewish about Freemasonry.
    He says that those who say Freemasonry came from Jewish roots are not to be believed.
    He watches your reaction to this proposition, and if you show any revulsion or incredulity, you won't be approved.
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    That's how they keep their membership from thinking that way.
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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #102 on: March 10, 2018, 02:32:32 AM »
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  • Yes, you are right. That is correct. But the Jews do not give more authority to the Torah. They give more authority to the Talmud.
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    The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."  http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html
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    You should read “The Talmud Unmasked, The Secret Rabbinical Teaching Concerning Christians,” by Rev. I. B. Pranaitis, Roman Catholic Priest; Master of Theology and Professor of the Hebrew Language at the Imperial Ecclesiastical Academy of the Roman Catholic Church in Old St. Petersburg.
    [Imprimatur: 1892] http://www.talmudunmasked.com/
     
    Also you should take seriously what Jesus has to say about the Pharisees and their traditions, which in His time was the oral Talmud. (There was no hard copy till around the time the Holy Bible was canonised.) Yes, tSt Paul was one of them, until he converted and repented. The Talmud is the book of the Pharisees, called in scripture the traditions of men.
     
    If you read the 23rd Chapter of St Matthew’s Gospel you will hear what Jesus Himself says about the traditions of the Pharisees, as illustrated in the Talmud.
     
    “Christ admonishes the people to follow the good doctrine, not the bad example of the scribes and Pharisees. He warns his disciples not to imitate their ambition and denounces divers woes against them for their hypocrisy and blindness.
     
    [1] Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples, [2] Saying: The scribes and the Pharisees have sitten on the chair of Moses. [3] All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not; for they say, and do not. [4] For they bind heavy and insupportable burdens, and lay them on men's shoulders; but with a finger of their own they will not move them. [5] And all their works they do for to be seen of men. For they make their phylacteries broad, and enlarge their fringes.
     
    [6] And they love the first places at feasts, and the first chairs in the synagogues, [7] And salutations in the market place, and to be called by men, Rabbi. [8] But be not you called Rabbi. For one is your master; and all you are brethren. [9] And call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven. [10] Neither be ye called masters; for one is your master, Christ. [11] He that is the greatest among you shall be your servant. [12] And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be humbled: and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
     
    [13] But woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men, for you yourselves do not enter in; and those that are going in, you suffer not to enter. [14] Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites: because you devour the houses of widows, praying long prayers. For this you shall receive the greater judgment. [15] Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you go round about the sea and the land to make one proselyte; and when he is made, you make him the child of hell twofold more than yourselves.
     
    [16] Woe to you blind guides, that say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but he that shall swear by the gold of the temple, is a debtor. [17] Ye foolish and blind; for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? [18] And whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gift that is upon it, is a debtor. [19] Ye blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? [20] He therefore that sweareth by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things that are upon it:
     
    [21] And whosoever shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth in it: [22] And he that sweareth by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon. [23] Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you tithe mint, and anise, and cummin, and have left the weightier things of the law; judgment, and mercy, and faith. These things you ought to have done, and not to leave those undone. [24] Blind guides, who strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel. [25] Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you make clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but within you are full of rapine and uncleanness.
     
    [26] Thou blind Pharisee, first make clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, that the outside may become clean. [27] Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you are like to whited sepulchres, which outwardly appear to men beautiful, but within are full of dead men's bones, and of all filthiness. [28] So you also outwardly indeed appear to men just; but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. [29] Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; that build the sepulchres of the prophets, and adorn the monuments of the just, [30] And say: If we had been in the days of our Fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
     
    [31] Wherefore you are witnesses against yourselves, that you are the sons of them that killed the prophets. [32] Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. [33] You serpents, generation of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of hell? [34] Therefore behold I send to you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them you will put to death and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city: [35] That upon you may come all the just blood that hath been shed upon the earth, from the blood of Abel the just, even unto the blood of Zacharias the son of Barachias, whom you killed between the temple and the altar.
     
    [36] Amen I say to you, all these things shall come upon this generation. [37] Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered together thy children, as the hen doth gather her chickens under her wings, and thou wouldest not? [38] Behold, your house shall be left to you, desolate. [39] For I say to you, you shall not see me henceforth till you say: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
     
     
    That doesn't make sense. If the Torah is teh word of God, then the rabbinical opinions (aka Talmud) would have to be subservient to that word. 

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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #103 on: March 10, 2018, 04:18:47 AM »
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  • That doesn't make sense. If the Torah is teh word of God, then the rabbinical opinions (aka Talmud) would have to be subservient to that word.
    You're thinking like a Catholic (Catechism vs Bible).  Jews are different, but not just different, probably the polar opposite of Catholics.  I don't think it's just another false religion;  I think it is uniquely evil.  
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    Re: In defense of the Jews (at least some)
    « Reply #104 on: March 10, 2018, 04:28:31 AM »
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  • That doesn't make sense. 
    Of course it doesn't make sense! Why should it make sense? 

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    If the Torah is teh word of God?
    Of course the Torah is the word of God.

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    the rabbinical opinions (aka Talmud) would have to be subservient to that word.
    For the Jews the Talmud is not subservient to the word of God.

    We are discussing here the Jews. You assume that the Jews are faithful to the word of God. They are not faithful to to His Word but absolutely opposed to it.

    Do you not recall Gospel of John Chapter 8 

    [31] Then Jesus said to those Jews, who believed him: If you continue in my word, you shall be my disciples indeed. [32] And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

    But to those in whom His word had no place:

    [37] I know that you are the children of Abraham: but you seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you[38] I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and you do the things that you have seen with your father. [39] They answered, and said to him: Abraham is our father. Jesus saith to them: If you be the children of Abraham, do the works of Abraham. [40] But now you seek to kill me, a man who have spoken the truth to you, which I have heard of God. This Abraham did not.
    [41] You do the works of your father. They said therefore to him: We are not born of fornication: we have one Father, even God. [42] Jesus therefore said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me. For from God I proceeded, and came; for I came not of myself, but he sent me: [43] Why do you not know my speech? Because you cannot hear my word[44] You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. [45] But if I say the truth, you believe me not.
    [46] Which of you shall convict me of sin? If I say the truth to you, why do you not believe me? [47] He that is of God, heareth the words of God. Therefore you hear them not, because you are not of God. [48] The Jews therefore answered, and said to him: Do not we say well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil? [49] Jesus answered: I have not a devil: but I honour my Father, and you have dishonoured me.[50] But I seek not my own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth. [51] Amen, amen I say to you: If any man keep my word, he shall not see death for ever. 

     

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